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RE: CFP selection committee defends leaving out undefeated UCF
(01-04-2018 02:35 PM)Attackcoog Wrote: (01-04-2018 01:41 PM)quo vadis Wrote: (01-04-2018 01:03 PM)Attackcoog Wrote: (01-04-2018 12:30 PM)quo vadis Wrote: (01-04-2018 12:25 PM)Attackcoog Wrote: Actually--we have a "playoff system" that by one of the commissioners own admission--eliminates the G5 from participation. Thats the exactly the type of environment that creates split championships. Ignore it or dont. Its going to to happen. If the the little CFP Invitational doesnt like it--then they should improve their product. This how things evolve.
First, things evolve when money comes in to the equation, never before. E.g., in 2003, we had the closest thing to an actual "split championship" as we've had in the BCS era, when USC was voted #1 in the AP poll while LSU won the BCS title.
What changed as a result? The BCS formula was tinkered with, but the BCS system didn't change at all, it endured another 10 years. Ditto in 2008, when Utah went undefeated but didn't make the BCS title game.
The system itself changed when the TV networks offered up more money for it to change. That is why ALL playoff systems change - NFL, MLB, NBA, college football. It's never because of theoretical reasons, it's always because someone offers more money to do it.
Second, there isn't going to be a "split championship". The CFP playoff produces the official champion agreed to by all 10 FBS conferences, including Aresco and the AAC, and therefore by UCF as well. So it doesn't even matter what the AP does. The winner of this week's title game will be the AAC's and UCF's champion, whether Aresco, the UCF President, the UCF AD, and Scott Frost like it or not, and no matter how many banners, rings, and parades they waste money on, and how many blog posts and tweets their supporters make. That's the reality.
But FWIW, the AP isn't going to vote UCF #1 either, and for obvious reasons, they didn't prove they were the best team.
So then why are running around so concerned? UCF will declare themselves National Champions. It will have no affect on anything according to you. If thats truly the case--there is no need for you to frantically attempt to delegitimize the move in post after post.
If that's the criteria for posting around here, my post count would be zero and so would yours. I don't think anyone here thinks that what they say impacts on what happens in the real world, i certainly don't. So no, I'm not "frantically" trying to delegitimize the UCF claims, because that implies that i think I have any power to affect that or any other college football issue - and i don't.
All I'm doing is arguing with other non-entities around here who are making claims about this or that. That's all any of us do. It's the nature of this particular forum*. In this case, the reality is there will be no split champion, and also there will be no push to create an 8-team playoff, as playoff expansion *only* responds to one factor, money, not competitive fairness.
* Though not all, e.g., I'm on a music forum where one of the regulars is a guy who actually is a music business player, has produced or mixed albums for acts like Metallica, the Cars, and Bob Dylan. Likewise, I'm on a movie box office forum where two very high-level executives at Warners and Disney are known to post, albeit anonymously. They have access to real numbers long before the media does.
But this forum isn't like that. We don't have Nick Saban or Kirk Herbstreit or the CFP president posting here.
There already is a split champion. Thats simply a hitorical fact at this point.
There's no split champion, it isn't a historical fact of any kind no matter how many proclamations Aresco or UCF officials make, or how many sportswriters write columns saying UCF got screwed or deserves to call themselves a champion, as that isn't what defines a split champion. Historically, at least since the 1970s, "Split Champion" means that the two major polls disagree on who the champ is. E.g., 1997 is a split champion year because Michigan got the AP vote and Nebraska the Coaches vote. That's a split champion. A split champion isn't when one rinky-dink group nobody ever heard of says team X is the champ when the AP and Coaches both pick team Y.
If the latter is the case, I guess I can declare that USF is the national champion, make up hats and banners and rings, throw a parade, and that makes it a 3-way tie for this year's title, right? Hilarious.
The only way one can plausibly claim that this year is a split champion is if the AP votes for someone other than the CFP title game winner.
Wake me up when that happens.
(This post was last modified: 01-04-2018 05:35 PM by quo vadis.)
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