(06-21-2020 12:52 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  

(06-21-2020 12:29 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  Just think of this: it is the following types of shitbirds that are orgasmic about mail-in voting. Not to mention the literal gloating of interference with free speech.

A friend messaged me this Facebook post on her post: “Fraudulent ticket reservations? I think we just learned exactly what will happen with mail in voting. We should thank AOC for demonstrating this.”

Says the trumpbot

Trumpbot? I guess you are ignorant that I did not vote for him. Funny that. Cmon poindexter, at least get your ad homs straight and accurate, as opposed to a dumb*** kneejerk variety.

Quote:who loves the fact that our president and commander-in-chief uses twitter as his main form of communication.

I *love* it? Please note anywhere I have made *any* comment on Trump's use of Twitter. Strike two there poindexter.

As for Trump's use of Twitter, why should the President be denied the use of twitter? Or, perhaps, why should his use of Twitter be noted *any* differently than *any* other politician, let alone *any* other person?

Please do tell.

Quote:I'm a lot more worried about that than mail-in voting, which is already being used effectively by at least 10 percent of the population (just guessing a number - it might be much higher than that).

If you put your thinking cap on, poindexter, the issue isnt the use of Twitter. The issue is the predeliction (now shown) by one team to overwhelmingly use, and condone that use, of false means or forgery to put their thumbs on a scale. Funny you dont seem to see the issue in that predeliction there.

Next time you decide you use an ad hom, make sure it is accurate (at first blush). Or dont, and explicitly show a kneejerk idiot reaction. Your choice.

Good grief.

In the Blue Universe, anybody who is not an automatic Straight Ticket Democrat = trumpbot.

Interesting to note that Numbers + Tanq + OO = zero votes for Trump in 2016. If there are any leftists here who did not cast the automatic vote for Hillary, because it was her turn, speak up.

I vote for the lesser evil. Since 1976, that lesser evil is NOT EVER been the Democratic nominee, although twice I did not vote for the Republican nominee either. I see no improvement with the expected ticket of a corrupt and senile old white man and a black female to be named later chosen on race and sex.

(06-21-2020 02:47 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  In the Blue Universe, anybody who is not an automatic Straight Ticket Democrat = trumpbot.

In my world, right now, anybody who is an automatic Straight Ticket Democrat = my enemy.

(06-21-2020 01:01 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Right now, I see democrats very clearly as enemies.

Thanks for clarifying. That's certainly not something you would expect a Trumpbot to say...

(06-21-2020 01:01 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Umm, Tanq is no Trumpbot, not even remotely close. He's a libertarian, like me.

.. no, Amash has laid an ideologically consistent response to Trump's authoritarian assaults, you guys are well off that mark. The only reservations to an Amash presidency you expressed was that Trump may need you in Texas and that you were concerned with his anti-Trump stances.

You guys have doxxed a lot about your personal lives, so I get the why with your politics, but the whole act-like-a-Trumpster, recoil-at-being-called-a-Trumpster, thing is harder to understand.

(06-21-2020 02:47 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  In the Blue Universe, anybody who is not an automatic Straight Ticket Democrat = trumpbot.

Interesting to note that Numbers + Tanq + OO = zero votes for Trump in 2016. If there are any leftists here who did not cast the automatic vote for Hillary, because it was her turn, speak up.

I vote for the lesser evil. Since 1976, that lesser evil is NOT EVER been the Democratic nominee, although twice I did not vote for the Republican nominee either. I see no improvement with the expected ticket of a corrupt and senile old white man and a black female to be named later chosen on race and sex.

My record in Presidential Elections is 4 republicans, 2 libertarian, 1 democrat, 1 Green, 1 Perot

Quite the trumpbot aura I have going there.

My record in Gubenatorial elections has even more Democrats. (Mark White, Ann Richards twice, Tony Sanchez, Grey Davis) --- Republicans (Bush 98, Meg Whitman 2010, Kashkari 2014, Abbot 2018)

Quite the trumpbot aura I have going there.

Senate -- Democrats (Bentsen, Parmer, Fisher, Morales)

Quite the trumpbot aura I have going there.

FortBend: how many Republicans have you ever voted for in --
a) Presidential elections?
b) Gubenatorial elections?
c) United States Senate elections?

Just curious how the crier of 'trumpbot' does when the light is turned in his direction.

(06-21-2020 04:48 PM)At Ease Wrote:  

(06-21-2020 01:01 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Right now, I see democrats very clearly as enemies.

Thanks for clarifying. That's certainly not something you would expect a Trumpbot to say...

(06-21-2020 01:01 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Umm, Tanq is no Trumpbot, not even remotely close. He's a libertarian, like me.

.. no, Amash has laid an ideologically consistent response to Trump's authoritarian assaults, you guys are well off that mark. The only reservations to an Amash presidency you expressed was that Trump may need you in Texas and that you were concerned with his anti-Trump stances.
You guys have doxxed a lot about your personal lives, so I get the why with your politics, but the whole act-like-a-Trumpster, recoil-at-being-called-a-Trumpster, thing is harder to understand.

You should either 1) actually read what I write, or 2) stop lying.

I have no reservations to an Amash presidency. I would prefer him to Trump. I have stated many times that I would have been quite pleased to see Amash win.

But the one result that I absolutely do not want to see is a democrat takeover. My only reason to vote for Trump would be if I felt that were needed to prevent that result.

Let me state it very explicitly. My dislike for Alinsky socialist/communist "progressives" is greater than your hatred for Trump. And it is based upon the fact that they have multiple issue positions that are absolute drop-dead show-stoppers for me.

In the future, if you are going to describe my posts, please make at least a half-assed effort to get it right. Thank you.

(06-21-2020 05:00 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(06-21-2020 04:48 PM)At Ease Wrote:  

(06-21-2020 01:01 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Right now, I see democrats very clearly as enemies.

Thanks for clarifying. That's certainly not something you would expect a Trumpbot to say...

(06-21-2020 01:01 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Umm, Tanq is no Trumpbot, not even remotely close. He's a libertarian, like me.

.. no, Amash has laid an ideologically consistent response to Trump's authoritarian assaults, you guys are well off that mark. The only reservations to an Amash presidency you expressed was that Trump may need you in Texas and that you were concerned with his anti-Trump stances.
You guys have doxxed a lot about your personal lives, so I get the why with your politics, but the whole act-like-a-Trumpster, recoil-at-being-called-a-Trumpster, thing is harder to understand.

You should either 1) actually read what I write, or 2) stop lying.

I have no reservations to an Amash presidency. I would prefer him to Trump. I have stated many times that I would have been quite pleased to see Amash win.

But the one result that I absolutely do not want to see is a democrat takeover. My only reason to vote for Trump would be if I felt that were needed to prevent that result.

Let me state it very explicitly. My dislike for Alinsky socialist/communist "progressives" is greater than your hatred for Trump. And it is based upon the fact that they have multiple issue positions that are absolute drop-dead show-stoppers for me.

In the future, if you are going to describe my posts, please make at least a half-assed effort to get it right. Thank you.

Not sure if serious....

(05-17-2020 08:49 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  I've said before, if Trump needs me to carry Texas, he's got my vote.
....

As far as Amash.... an Amash without the Trump-bashing would be a pretty attractive candidate to me.

No need to keep repeating your positions and phrases we have heard 100x. It's just curious why you guys won't own it.

(06-21-2020 04:48 PM)At Ease Wrote:  

(06-21-2020 01:01 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Right now, I see democrats very clearly as enemies.

Thanks for clarifying. That's certainly not something you would expect a Trumpbot to say...

(06-21-2020 01:01 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Umm, Tanq is no Trumpbot, not even remotely close. He's a libertarian, like me.

.. no, Amash has laid an ideologically consistent response to Trump's authoritarian assaults, you guys are well off that mark. The only reservations to an Amash presidency you expressed was that Trump may need you in Texas and that you were concerned with his anti-Trump stances.

You guys have doxxed a lot about your personal lives, so I get the why with your politics, but the whole act-like-a-Trumpster, recoil-at-being-called-a-Trumpster, thing is harder to understand.

Amazing **** there, whack a mole.

And, you kind of amazingly show off the absolute stellar level of ignorance in your worldview when you fundamentally ignore anything that doesnt comport with your myopia. In that regard you are truly an amazing and fascinating individual.

But, you excel at the that 'leave all the stuff that doesnt fit your narrative at the doorstep' skill there. Kind of like getting a twenty on the twenty side die roll for that skill set. It is extraordinarily sad there isnt an Olympic sport at that, you'd be a fing gold medal lock for decades and a source of pride for the country if that were the case.

But, go like Betelgeuse and subscribe to that 'say it three times and it comes to pass' mode that you use on such a fing prodigious scale. Knock yourself out WAM (going to start using WAM for Whack a Mole -- take the stress out of typing it out from now on....)

And as using the term self-'doxxing', having known George for a very long time at a personal level, I am actually a tad familiar with the particulars of what a twisted as hell and obsessed individual you can be. In that sense, I can understand you through that prism as well. Funny that.

(06-21-2020 05:25 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  And as using the term self-'doxxing', having known George for a very long time at a personal level, I am actually a tad familiar with the particulars of what a twisted as hell and obsessed individual you can be. In that sense, I can understand you through that prism as well. Funny that.

Please share. My only communications with George have been in this forum, so I would love to hear these tales.

(06-21-2020 04:59 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  FortBend: how many Republicans have you ever voted for in --
a) Presidential elections?
b) Gubenatorial elections?
c) United States Senate elections?

Just curious how the crier of 'trumpbot' does when the light is turned in his direction.

president - one (Bush senior in 1988 or 1992, now I can't remember which year)
governor and senate - no earthly idea (probably a couple - I can look up the races in Texas and perhaps jog my memory)

BTW, voting history isn't the only thing that makes you a trumpbot in my book. Basically resorting to calling an entire political party (or always calling a major candidate one) by childish nicknames does it. So I guess that makes me one too.

eta - maybe 1 senate (iirc maybe Phil Gramm when I worked at Rice and his son Marshall was attending there?). Maybe 1 or 2 others like Dubya Bush for governor because I knew my vote meant nothing and the Democratic candidate was entirely forgettable.

(06-21-2020 05:13 PM)At Ease Wrote:  

(06-21-2020 05:00 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(06-21-2020 04:48 PM)At Ease Wrote:  

(06-21-2020 01:01 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Right now, I see democrats very clearly as enemies.

Thanks for clarifying. That's certainly not something you would expect a Trumpbot to say...

(06-21-2020 01:01 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Umm, Tanq is no Trumpbot, not even remotely close. He's a libertarian, like me.

.. no, Amash has laid an ideologically consistent response to Trump's authoritarian assaults, you guys are well off that mark. The only reservations to an Amash presidency you expressed was that Trump may need you in Texas and that you were concerned with his anti-Trump stances.
You guys have doxxed a lot about your personal lives, so I get the why with your politics, but the whole act-like-a-Trumpster, recoil-at-being-called-a-Trumpster, thing is harder to understand.

You should either 1) actually read what I write, or 2) stop lying.

I have no reservations to an Amash presidency. I would prefer him to Trump. I have stated many times that I would have been quite pleased to see Amash win.

But the one result that I absolutely do not want to see is a democrat takeover. My only reason to vote for Trump would be if I felt that were needed to prevent that result.

Let me state it very explicitly. My dislike for Alinsky socialist/communist "progressives" is greater than your hatred for Trump. And it is based upon the fact that they have multiple issue positions that are absolute drop-dead show-stoppers for me.

In the future, if you are going to describe my posts, please make at least a half-assed effort to get it right. Thank you.

Not sure if serious....

(05-17-2020 08:49 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  I've said before, if Trump needs me to carry Texas, he's got my vote.
....

As far as Amash.... an Amash without the Trump-bashing would be a pretty attractive candidate to me.

No need to keep repeating your positions and phrases we have heard 100x. It's just curious why you guys won't own it.

What do you own, AE? It seems to me you are an automatic straight ticket democrat, without regard to a person's qualifications or their positions on issues.

Who have you voted for in the last ten preside3ntial elections, the last ten gubernatorial electiions, the last eight Senate elections, that was not the democratic nominee.

Time to own it.

BUMP for the new page.

Come on Mole, don't leave us hanging here.

(06-21-2020 05:32 PM)At Ease Wrote:  

(06-21-2020 05:25 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  And as using the term self-'doxxing', having known George for a very long time at a personal level, I am actually a tad familiar with the particulars of what a twisted as hell and obsessed individual you can be. In that sense, I can understand you through that prism as well. Funny that.

Please share. My only communications with George have been in this forum, so I would love to hear these tales.

(06-21-2020 05:32 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  president - one (Bush senior in 1988 or 1992, now I can't remember which year)
governor and senate - no earthly idea (probably a couple - I can look up the races in Texas and perhaps jog my memory)

So, you have voted other than Democratic in major statewide elections perhaps less times than the fingers of one hand. Yet, others (whom that claim is inapplicable) are 'bots. Got it.

Quote:BTW, voting history isn't the only thing that makes you a trumpbot in my book.

Oh goody, there is a deeper meaning. Is it 'nuanced'? That seems to be the major 'throw it in the mix" phrase these days with opinions.

Quote:Basically resorting to calling an entire political party ... by childish nicknames does it.

Where exactly do I denote calling 'an entire political party ... by childish nicknames'? Please be specific.

I can think of terms I use for modern progressivism, which are not nicknames, and are not by any means 'childish'. If you want to have an involved discussion of why I use those terms, then let's have that conversation. Get your Political Philosophy primer geared up. But I have zero compunction about having that discussion on why I use very specific terminology for the state of modern progressivism.

Quote:Basically .... always calling a major candidate .... by childish nicknames does it.

How exactly do you wish that I refer to Biden's apparent very problematic cognitive difficulties that wont hurt your senses?

How exactly should I refer to Elizabeth Warren's fabrication of a race issue to further her career that wont hurt your senses?

By the way, FB, are you familiar with Saul Alinsky? He is one of your team's huge heroes.

Alinsky Rule #5 : ""Ridicule is man's most potent weapon." Based on your churlishness on labeling Biden a human Word Salad, I assume now you understand the power of Rule #5.

Alinsky Rule #4 : "Make the enemy live up to its own book of rules." I prefer the corollary: "Use your enemies' rules on them" By using #5 on the progressive movement (as above), I am using their own rules against them.

I find it odd that for the last thirty years, your team has slung 'racist', 'sexist', 'homophobe', 'gay hater', (add your favorite identity division word here) like dollar bills being used at a biker strip club. Hell, your team went after Romney in the most divisive campaign ever --- even to the point of accusing him of murdering old people, explicitly being racist, and, on the floor of the Senate, accusing him of tax fraud.

Yet here you are getting maddy poo over 'Word Salad', 'Fauxchahontas', etc. Do you know how whiny that sounds? Seriously....

Honestly, you can use the term 'trumpbot' all you want. Knock yourself out. When the person never even voted for the OMB, it comes across as shrill. And fairly particularly stupid. If that is the message you want, go for it.

If you really want to have a discussion over 'authoritarian', 'proto fascist', 'proto brownshirts', and 'proto Maoists' ----- then lets have that discussion.

If you are mad about Word Salad and Fauxahontas, well, I suggest you digest some history, digest some Alinsky, and think about it a tad.

Look, AtEase, whoever you are, let me be very blunt with you. I am not a Trump supporter, did not vote for him in 2016 and probably won't vote for him in 2020. My only reason to vote for him would be if I felt it was needed to defeat the democrats. That is highly unlikely, because if Texas is close enough that my vote matters the US is a lost cause.

I don't like Trump and I'm tired of being called a Trumpbot. What you can't seem to understand is that I dislike the Alinsky socialist/communist "progressive" radicals who are taking over the democrats more that you hate Trump. The democrats are my enemy, and I will support anyone who stands against them.

So when Amash was rumored to be the likely libertarian candidate, I was very firmly in the Amash if I can, Trump if I must camp. Now that it is Jo Jorgenses, I am in the Jorgensen if I can, Trump if I must camp.

So are you capable of understanding that I am not motivated by any liking of Trump, but rather by extreme dislike of any democrat, whom I consider to be my enemy.

(06-21-2020 11:00 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Look, AtEase, whoever you are, let me be very blunt with you. I am not a Trump supporter, did not vote for him in 2016 and probably won't vote for him in 2020. My only reason to vote for him would be if I felt it was needed to defeat the democrats. That is highly unlikely, because if Texas is close enough that my vote matters the US is a lost cause.

I don't like Trump and I'm tired of being called a Trumpbot. What you can't seem to understand is that I dislike the Alinsky socialist/communist "progressive" radicals who are taking over the democrats more that you hate Trump. The democrats are my enemy, and I will support anyone who stands against them.

So when Amash was rumored to be the likely libertarian candidate, I was very firmly in the Amash if I can, Trump if I must camp. Now that it is Jo Jorgenses, I am in the Jorgensen if I can, Trump if I must camp.

So are you capable of understanding that I am not motivated by any liking of Trump, but rather by extreme dislike of any democrat, whom I consider to be my enemy.

LA LA LA LA, LA (fingers in ears) - he can't hear you.

You have said it a hundred times, yet he keeps on calling you a trumpbot, when in fact he is the bot.

The one point I would make is that I often found the tone and substance of many of the arguments made here by the “non-Trumpbots” to be indistinguishable from the MAGA-hat wearing crowd or the Fox and Friends folks. So I understand At Ease’s confusion. I guess this is the time where it looks like a duck and sounds like a duck but is actually a zebra. I found this to be particularly true during discussions about impeachment, Kavanaugh, Charlottesville/very fine people, And a few other topics. It is amusing how offended you all seem by the suggestion that you are Trump supporters. Trump’s silent majority I guess.

(06-22-2020 01:19 AM)mrbig Wrote:  The one point I would make is that I often found the tone and substance of many of the arguments made here by the “non-Trumpbots” to be indistinguishable from the MAGA-hat wearing crowd or the Fox and Friends folks. So I understand At Ease’s confusion. I guess this is the time where it looks like a duck and sounds like a duck but is actually a zebra. I found this to be particularly true during discussions about impeachment, Kavanaugh, Charlottesville/very fine people, And a few other topics. It is amusing how offended you all seem by the suggestion that you are Trump supporters. Trump’s silent majority I guess.

You do understand that pro-trump and anti-democrat may often sound the same way right?

Right now, virtually every issue position that your party stands for is a drop-dead show-stopper for me. If you want to change my mind, why not try explaining to me why I should support any issue position that democrats take, rather than name-calling?

You and many others on the left constantly mis-attribute the motivation of many of us. I don't like Trump, but I don't hate him nearly as much as I hate the democrats. I disagree with Trump on many issues, like the tariffs and the wall. But given a choice between the wall and open borders, I'll live with the wall. And I would prefer a consumption tax, which would have a similar effect on imports, to tariffs.

What you fail to grasp is how disgusting and despicable I find the democrats to be. However much you hate Trump, I dislike democrats more. And I wish I had an alternative other than Trump, which is why if favored first Amash and now Jorgensen (although her VP candidate is nuttier than a fruitcake). But push comes to shove, and the only way I can oppose democrats effectively is by voting Trump, then I will vote Trump. But he is definitely the lesser of evils to me.

I don't know why I have to keep explaining this.

(06-21-2020 05:32 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  

(06-21-2020 04:59 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  FortBend: how many Republicans have you ever voted for in --
a) Presidential elections?
b) Gubenatorial elections?
c) United States Senate elections?
Just curious how the crier of 'trumpbot' does when the light is turned in his direction.

president - one (Bush senior in 1988 or 1992, now I can't remember which year)
governor and senate - no earthly idea (probably a couple - I can look up the races in Texas and perhaps jog my memory)
BTW, voting history isn't the only thing that makes you a trumpbot in my book. Basically resorting to calling an entire political party (or always calling a major candidate one) by childish nicknames does it. So I guess that makes me one too.
eta - maybe 1 senate (iirc maybe Phil Gramm when I worked at Rice and his son Marshall was attending there?). Maybe 1 or 2 others like Dubya Bush for governor because I knew my vote meant nothing and the Democratic candidate was entirely forgettable.

So you've voted for as many republican presidents as I have (Reagan, 1980).

Right now, I see democrats as my enemies and Trump as the enemy of my enemies. It's kind of like FDR and Churchill didn't like Stalin, but Hitler was their enemy and Stalin was the enemy of their enemy.

I realize that it is hard for anyone who leans left to understand just how strongly I dislike the democrats. But they have multiple issue positions, which I have recited repeatedly, which are absolute drop-dead show-stoppers for me. So they are mt enemies. And i suppose that means that if you support them then you are my enemy, too.

(06-22-2020 01:19 AM)mrbig Wrote:  The one point I would make is that I often found the tone and substance of many of the arguments made here by the “non-Trumpbots” to be indistinguishable from the MAGA-hat wearing crowd or the Fox and Friends folks. So I understand At Ease’s confusion. I guess this is the time where it looks like a duck and sounds like a duck but is actually a zebra. I found this to be particularly true during discussions about impeachment, Kavanaugh, Charlottesville/very fine people, And a few other topics. It is amusing how offended you all seem by the suggestion that you are Trump supporters. Trump’s silent majority I guess.

Let's put it in very simple terms for you. If the Democrats could nominate anybody that could have been labled 'centrist' (that is not 'today's' centrist, but one from, say 10 years ago), they would have my vote over Trump in a heartbeat.

The problem with what the Democrats put forth is that on a multitude of issues, there is no fing way they could be ascribed anything close to 'centrist'.

In terms of the three points you put up there, perhaps *you* should note that in every case in creation, the overall goal has been to 'redo' the election of 2016. You act as though there is an overgrowth of objectivism in the above from both you personally, and from your entire set of of brothers in arms.

From another stance, there is zero objectivism. What do you think that the trial by ambush of Kavanaugh looks like? Seriously? Considering the very long history of the progressives and Democrats to 'take out' any and all Republican SCOTUS nominees, and the *fact* the politicization of the SCOTUS process to a vast, vast degree lays at the doorstep of the progressives, please dont climb on your gd soapbox at this juncture about Kavanaugh.

Had the progressives even fing bothered with presenting even an iota of corroboration, perhaps the 'hive minds', as you seemingly state this side on the forum is, wouldnt be such a hive mind. Couple the complete lack of corroboration (even from people she named as being there), with the massive history of nothing but obstructionism from the Democrats for twenty years in *any* republican SCOTUS nomination (I mean, Alito only getting 58 votes? Gorsuch 54? be fing serious) --- well, too fing bad for that pushback.

Somehow those cogent facts and backgrounds evade that thought process (and 1 word characterization, mind you) above.

If you want to reopen the impeachment issue and Charlottesville issue as well, then lets reopen that and hash that out. But the stance that has been taken by progressives in the last 12 years can kindly be noted as a bunch of children who can do nothing but cry and smash up the room when the process doesnt go their way. Even more so after the last 4 weeks, mind you.

So, if *your* definition of a "trumpist" is one that does not support the vast majority of the current progressive agenda -- well your tortured definition might be spot on. There are plenty of characteristics of Trump that I loathe, and plenty of policies. But, if the choice is confined to OMB and the grotesque form that Democrats have embraced in 'progressivism', well at least I know which one I can adjudge to be less rancid than the other.