(12-14-2019 02:41 PM)Fountains of Wayne Graham Wrote:  What I'm trying to say is, I don't actually believe that everyone who voted or will vote for him likes that he does this. But that just makes the whole thing more confusing to me.

I think many people who voted for him, and will vote for him again, don't like this, or other things like this. But compared to the alternatives presented by the democrats, they see it as a pretty immaterial fault.

(12-14-2019 03:22 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(12-14-2019 02:41 PM)Fountains of Wayne Graham Wrote:  What I'm trying to say is, I don't actually believe that everyone who voted or will vote for him likes that he does this. But that just makes the whole thing more confusing to me.

I think many people who voted for him, and will vote for him again, don't like this, or other things like this. But compared to the alternatives presented by the democrats, they see it as a pretty immaterial fault.

If 'being a wholesomely good guy' was the highest prerequisite for choosing a person to vote for, we would all be talking about the Romney Administration.

I guess there is an easy answer *and* historic example to aid with Fountain's massive self-conundrum that he beseeches such help with.

(12-14-2019 03:47 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(12-14-2019 03:22 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(12-14-2019 02:41 PM)Fountains of Wayne Graham Wrote:  What I'm trying to say is, I don't actually believe that everyone who voted or will vote for him likes that he does this. But that just makes the whole thing more confusing to me.

I think many people who voted for him, and will vote for him again, don't like this, or other things like this. But compared to the alternatives presented by the democrats, they see it as a pretty immaterial fault.

If 'being a wholesomely good guy' was the highest prerequisite for choosing a person to vote for, we would all be talking about the Romney Administration.

And GHWB would have been a two-term president.

(12-14-2019 03:22 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(12-14-2019 02:41 PM)Fountains of Wayne Graham Wrote:  What I'm trying to say is, I don't actually believe that everyone who voted or will vote for him likes that he does this. But that just makes the whole thing more confusing to me.

I think many people who voted for him, and will vote for him again, don't like this, or other things like this. But compared to the alternatives presented by the democrats, they see it as a pretty immaterial fault.

I would surmise that ther are people who did not vote for him previously that may just in fact vote for him despite the sludge pit of a human he is; it seems Fountain is in contact on this board with one of them. Who told him why that is the case, nonetheless. But confusion still abounds, perhaps.

Maybe that makes up some his 'base' (i.e. the amorphous group Fountain keeps invoking like the Candyman), all while never telling us what *he* thinks Trump's 'base' is. Despite 4 or 5 direct requests to do so. I find it odd that 93, and now Fountain, have used 'his [Trump's] base' in every so noticeable questions dealing with an integrity (or crassness) issue, and when pressed on what they think that group comprises, both just skip from the conversation like they never heard the question being asked.

(12-14-2019 03:49 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(12-14-2019 03:47 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(12-14-2019 03:22 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(12-14-2019 02:41 PM)Fountains of Wayne Graham Wrote:  What I'm trying to say is, I don't actually believe that everyone who voted or will vote for him likes that he does this. But that just makes the whole thing more confusing to me.

I think many people who voted for him, and will vote for him again, don't like this, or other things like this. But compared to the alternatives presented by the democrats, they see it as a pretty immaterial fault.

If 'being a wholesomely good guy' was the highest prerequisite for choosing a person to vote for, we would all be talking about the Romney Administration.

And GHWB would have been a two-term president.

Perhaps Carter as well.

Not the the Carter of today. I keep having to remind myself that during his Administration, Carter wasnt such the ardent anti-Israel bigot he shows in the present day.

(12-14-2019 03:22 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(12-14-2019 02:41 PM)Fountains of Wayne Graham Wrote:  What I'm trying to say is, I don't actually believe that everyone who voted or will vote for him likes that he does this. But that just makes the whole thing more confusing to me.

I think many people who voted for him, and will vote for him again, don't like this, or other things like this. But compared to the alternatives presented by the democrats, they see it as a pretty immaterial fault.

Exactly 100% spot on.

The sort of thing that people who hate him will jump on to demonstrate why hating him is a good thing.

(12-14-2019 02:32 PM)Fountains of Wayne Graham Wrote:  

(12-13-2019 02:24 PM)Fountains of Wayne Graham Wrote:  My question was what is the point of Trump tweeting stuff like that? I don't get it. Is it a play to his base? Is he trolling the libs? Is he so threatened by her TIME cover that he has to respond? Genuinely curious what y'all think he's trying to accomplish here.

Truly not being snide, just brainstorming since no one responded directly to my question. Seemed like a plausible explanation to me. Not an explanation I'd like, but one I could understand. Like I said, baffled.

By base, I guess I mean people he wants to vote for him? I don't know, I didn't give it much thought.

Dodge and weave.

If I were to say something like "XYZ did this to appeal to Californians", that would imply that I had a mental picture of Californians as people who for some reason would like what XYZ did".

You had a mental picture of "his base" when you wrote the words. At least Lad is hiding out in semi-honorable silence, not this mealy-mouthed crap. Be a man and tell us what you think when the words "Trump base" are uttered. Own it.

And everybody, right and left, is invited to give his thoughts on what constitutes Trump's "base". FBO, AE, JAAO, Big, any lurkers. Come one come all.

One more thing: Every politician wants EVERY voter to vote for him. People he wants to vote for him? That includes you in his base, Fount. I see you really gave some thought to this.

(12-14-2019 04:31 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(12-14-2019 02:32 PM)Fountains of Wayne Graham Wrote:  

(12-13-2019 02:24 PM)Fountains of Wayne Graham Wrote:  My question was what is the point of Trump tweeting stuff like that? I don't get it. Is it a play to his base? Is he trolling the libs? Is he so threatened by her TIME cover that he has to respond? Genuinely curious what y'all think he's trying to accomplish here.

Truly not being snide, just brainstorming since no one responded directly to my question. Seemed like a plausible explanation to me. Not an explanation I'd like, but one I could understand. Like I said, baffled.

By base, I guess I mean people he wants to vote for him? I don't know, I didn't give it much thought.

Dodge and weave.

If I were to say something like "XYZ did this to appeal to Californians", that would imply that I had a mental picture of Californians as people who for some reason would like what XYZ did".

You had a mental picture of "his base" when you wrote the words. At least Lad is hiding out in semi-honorable silence, not this mealy-mouthed crap. Be a man and tell us what you think when the words "Trump base" are uttered. Own it.

And everybody, right and left, is invited to give his thoughts on what constitutes Trump's "base". FBO, AE, JAAO, Big, any lurkers. Come one come all.

One more thing: Every politician wants EVERY voter to vote for him. People he wants to vote for him? That includes you in his base, Fount. I see you really gave some thought to this.

Jesus - I don’t post here for like 12 hours and I get accused of hiding out?

We’ve had this stupid argument before - if you want my opinion on what makes up Trump’s base, go back and find it.

(11-22-2019 06:57 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  I have been told I am intentionally obtuse. Probably so.

Both of them dodging, now.

(12-14-2019 04:40 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(12-14-2019 04:31 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(12-14-2019 02:32 PM)Fountains of Wayne Graham Wrote:  

(12-13-2019 02:24 PM)Fountains of Wayne Graham Wrote:  My question was what is the point of Trump tweeting stuff like that? I don't get it. Is it a play to his base? Is he trolling the libs? Is he so threatened by her TIME cover that he has to respond? Genuinely curious what y'all think he's trying to accomplish here.

Truly not being snide, just brainstorming since no one responded directly to my question. Seemed like a plausible explanation to me. Not an explanation I'd like, but one I could understand. Like I said, baffled.

By base, I guess I mean people he wants to vote for him? I don't know, I didn't give it much thought.

Dodge and weave.

If I were to say something like "XYZ did this to appeal to Californians", that would imply that I had a mental picture of Californians as people who for some reason would like what XYZ did".

You had a mental picture of "his base" when you wrote the words. At least Lad is hiding out in semi-honorable silence, not this mealy-mouthed crap. Be a man and tell us what you think when the words "Trump base" are uttered. Own it.

And everybody, right and left, is invited to give his thoughts on what constitutes Trump's "base". FBO, AE, JAAO, Big, any lurkers. Come one come all.

One more thing: Every politician wants EVERY voter to vote for him. People he wants to vote for him? That includes you in his base, Fount. I see you really gave some thought to this.

Jesus - I don’t post here for like 12 hours and I get accused of hiding out?

We’ve had this stupid argument before - if you want my opinion on what makes up Trump’s base, go back and find it.

I think you are confusing this with another discussion.

In any case, it would take you only 45-60 seconds to state your opinion.

But, if as you say, we have discussed what (who?) makes up Trump's base, just give me a post number.

(12-13-2019 05:21 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(12-13-2019 04:49 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(12-13-2019 02:24 PM)Fountains of Wayne Graham Wrote:  Is it a play to his base?

That you think his base would approve of his stooping to this tells me you agree with Hillary that we are deplorables.

BUT, nothing here makes me yearn for Biden or Warren.

You're saying you don't think his base wouldn't approve of him being brash and abrasive towards a climate change activist?

Brought forward for clarity.

Implies that you think his base WOULD approve of him being brash and abrasive towards a climate change activist.



(last I could find on your position of Trump's base. Clarify if you want. Obfuscate if you would rather.)

(12-14-2019 06:03 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(12-14-2019 04:40 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  Jesus - I don’t post here for like 12 hours and I get accused of hiding out?
We’ve had this stupid argument before - if you want my opinion on what makes up Trump’s base, go back and find it.

I think you are confusing this with another discussion.
In any case, it would take you only 45-60 seconds to state your opinion.
But, if as you say, we have discussed what (who?) makes up Trump's base, just give me a post number.

A bunch of deplorables. Don't you remember, Hillary told you, almost 4 years ago.

But oh yes, she only said half of them were deplorable. I guess that means that if you are a Trump supporter you have to decide which alf you fall into. And if you and a friend are Trump supporters, then maybe one of you is deplorable--but which one?

This is exactly the kind of smug, arrogant, condescension that pissed off a bunch of blue collar voters in 2016, so they made Trump president.

(12-14-2019 06:03 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(12-14-2019 04:40 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(12-14-2019 04:31 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(12-14-2019 02:32 PM)Fountains of Wayne Graham Wrote:  

(12-13-2019 02:24 PM)Fountains of Wayne Graham Wrote:  My question was what is the point of Trump tweeting stuff like that? I don't get it. Is it a play to his base? Is he trolling the libs? Is he so threatened by her TIME cover that he has to respond? Genuinely curious what y'all think he's trying to accomplish here.

Truly not being snide, just brainstorming since no one responded directly to my question. Seemed like a plausible explanation to me. Not an explanation I'd like, but one I could understand. Like I said, baffled.

By base, I guess I mean people he wants to vote for him? I don't know, I didn't give it much thought.

Dodge and weave.

If I were to say something like "XYZ did this to appeal to Californians", that would imply that I had a mental picture of Californians as people who for some reason would like what XYZ did".

You had a mental picture of "his base" when you wrote the words. At least Lad is hiding out in semi-honorable silence, not this mealy-mouthed crap. Be a man and tell us what you think when the words "Trump base" are uttered. Own it.

And everybody, right and left, is invited to give his thoughts on what constitutes Trump's "base". FBO, AE, JAAO, Big, any lurkers. Come one come all.

One more thing: Every politician wants EVERY voter to vote for him. People he wants to vote for him? That includes you in his base, Fount. I see you really gave some thought to this.

Jesus - I don’t post here for like 12 hours and I get accused of hiding out?

We’ve had this stupid argument before - if you want my opinion on what makes up Trump’s base, go back and find it.

I think you are confusing this with another discussion.

In any case, it would take you only 45-60 seconds to state your opinion.

But, if as you say, we have discussed what (who?) makes up Trump's base, just give me a post number.

Not confusing it at all - I remember banging my head against the table trying to get you and Tanq to understand what I meant when I used the term “Trump’s base.”

https://csnbbs.com/thread-797972-post-16...id16195642

(12-14-2019 07:10 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(12-14-2019 06:03 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(12-14-2019 04:40 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(12-14-2019 04:31 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(12-14-2019 02:32 PM)Fountains of Wayne Graham Wrote:  Truly not being snide, just brainstorming since no one responded directly to my question. Seemed like a plausible explanation to me. Not an explanation I'd like, but one I could understand. Like I said, baffled.

By base, I guess I mean people he wants to vote for him? I don't know, I didn't give it much thought.

Dodge and weave.

If I were to say something like "XYZ did this to appeal to Californians", that would imply that I had a mental picture of Californians as people who for some reason would like what XYZ did".

You had a mental picture of "his base" when you wrote the words. At least Lad is hiding out in semi-honorable silence, not this mealy-mouthed crap. Be a man and tell us what you think when the words "Trump base" are uttered. Own it.

And everybody, right and left, is invited to give his thoughts on what constitutes Trump's "base". FBO, AE, JAAO, Big, any lurkers. Come one come all.

One more thing: Every politician wants EVERY voter to vote for him. People he wants to vote for him? That includes you in his base, Fount. I see you really gave some thought to this.

Jesus - I don’t post here for like 12 hours and I get accused of hiding out?

We’ve had this stupid argument before - if you want my opinion on what makes up Trump’s base, go back and find it.

I think you are confusing this with another discussion.

In any case, it would take you only 45-60 seconds to state your opinion.

But, if as you say, we have discussed what (who?) makes up Trump's base, just give me a post number.

Not confusing it at all - I remember banging my head against the table trying to get you and Tanq to understand what I meant when I used the term “Trump’s base.”

https://csnbbs.com/thread-797972-post-16...id16195642

Only 5 months ago, too.

But I note I was not in the quote chain, and it still is not clear who you think is in Trump’s base. Still, better than Fountains.

C+

(12-14-2019 07:58 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(12-14-2019 07:10 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(12-14-2019 06:03 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(12-14-2019 04:40 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(12-14-2019 04:31 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  Dodge and weave.

If I were to say something like "XYZ did this to appeal to Californians", that would imply that I had a mental picture of Californians as people who for some reason would like what XYZ did".

You had a mental picture of "his base" when you wrote the words. At least Lad is hiding out in semi-honorable silence, not this mealy-mouthed crap. Be a man and tell us what you think when the words "Trump base" are uttered. Own it.

And everybody, right and left, is invited to give his thoughts on what constitutes Trump's "base". FBO, AE, JAAO, Big, any lurkers. Come one come all.

One more thing: Every politician wants EVERY voter to vote for him. People he wants to vote for him? That includes you in his base, Fount. I see you really gave some thought to this.

Jesus - I don’t post here for like 12 hours and I get accused of hiding out?

We’ve had this stupid argument before - if you want my opinion on what makes up Trump’s base, go back and find it.

I think you are confusing this with another discussion.

In any case, it would take you only 45-60 seconds to state your opinion.

But, if as you say, we have discussed what (who?) makes up Trump's base, just give me a post number.

Not confusing it at all - I remember banging my head against the table trying to get you and Tanq to understand what I meant when I used the term “Trump’s base.”

https://csnbbs.com/thread-797972-post-16...id16195642

Only 5 months ago, too.

But I note I was not in the quote chain, and it still is not clear who you think is in Trump’s base. Still, better than Fountains.

C+

Deeply embedded in his link:

per lad:

Quote:His base though, they’re the ones that wear the “F*** Your Feelings” shirts, cheer him on when he makes fun of a disable reporter, and so on. And they’re his base because they’re unable to look at the problematic things he does and actually say they’re problematic.

Kind of a mic drop comment, so I will just let it stand there in all its glory w/o any further comment.

He does 'clarify' later (in the wonderful way that lad is prone to do....) that 'base' <> 'supporter'.

(12-14-2019 04:57 PM)Fountains of Wayne Graham Wrote:  

(11-22-2019 06:57 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  I have been told I am intentionally obtuse. Probably so.

I guess Fountains doesnt want to own what he thinks Trump's base is. Brave Sir Robin.

(12-14-2019 10:41 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(12-14-2019 07:58 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(12-14-2019 07:10 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(12-14-2019 06:03 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(12-14-2019 04:40 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  Jesus - I don’t post here for like 12 hours and I get accused of hiding out?

We’ve had this stupid argument before - if you want my opinion on what makes up Trump’s base, go back and find it.

I think you are confusing this with another discussion.

In any case, it would take you only 45-60 seconds to state your opinion.

But, if as you say, we have discussed what (who?) makes up Trump's base, just give me a post number.

Not confusing it at all - I remember banging my head against the table trying to get you and Tanq to understand what I meant when I used the term “Trump’s base.”

https://csnbbs.com/thread-797972-post-16...id16195642

Only 5 months ago, too.

But I note I was not in the quote chain, and it still is not clear who you think is in Trump’s base. Still, better than Fountains.

C+

Deeply embedded in his link:

per lad:

Quote:His base though, they’re the ones that wear the “F*** Your Feelings” shirts, cheer him on when he makes fun of a disable reporter, and so on. And they’re his base because they’re unable to look at the problematic things he does and actually say they’re problematic.

Kind of a mic drop comment, so I will just let it stand there in all its glory w/o any further comment.

He does 'clarify' later (in the wonderful way that lad is prone to do....) that 'base' <> 'supporter'.

Yeah - I would never call any of y’all his base. I would probably call you and OO supporters and Owl#’s as something less supportive.

Why is it so hard to understand that there are varying degrees of support for someone, and perhaps unique ways to describe those individuals?

Funny, as most likely I will not be voting for him. I might vote for him if Texas is in play and if no other Democratic challenger comes forth.

I have no issue with most of the things he has done as an 'the job' portion, think he has done a great job on the judiciary, and have plenty of issues with his deportment. Enough that I couldnt vote for him outright, but only as a 'firebreak'.

While their deportment is good, every single Democratic candidate (save one) is by far a far left wing collectivist in their platforms, which stands as a huge issue against my neo-liberal, libertarian, Chicago school view of thinking. A huge minus. And Trump doesnt meet that checkbox either for that matter -- at best he is neutral to that stance.

The only Democrat that even falls anywhere outside the definition of a collectivist is Slow Joe; and he has other issues that have hampered him in my view for at least 25 years. His first run at the Presidency kind of spoiled him for me, and the advent of the Hunter issue and his involvement in the Burisma issues dont help.

(12-15-2019 08:42 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  Funny, as most likely I will not be voting for him. I might vote for him if Texas is in play and if no other Democratic challenger comes forth.

I have no issue with most of the things he has done as an 'the job' portion, think he has done a great job on the judiciary, and have plenty of issues with his deportment. Enough that I couldnt vote for him outright, but only as a 'firebreak'.

While their deportment is good, every single Democratic candidate (save one) is by far a far left wing collectivist in their platforms, which stands as a huge issue against my neo-liberal, libertarian, Chicago school view of thinking. A huge minus. And Trump doesnt meet that checkbox either for that matter -- at best he is neutral to that stance.

The only Democrat that even falls anywhere outside the definition of a collectivist is Slow Joe; and he has other issues that have hampered him in my view for at least 25 years. His first run at the Presidency kind of spoiled him for me, and the advent of the Hunter issue and his involvement in the Burisma issues dont help.

So not his base - on the money there at least.

Looks like you also agree that there is a range of levels of support for Trump. So tell me again why you had an issue with me being discerning with my language?