RiceLad15
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RE: Trump Administration
(07-15-2019 04:33 PM)tanqtonic Wrote: (07-15-2019 04:17 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote: (07-15-2019 03:42 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote: (07-15-2019 03:10 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote: Why are you lying? I VERY clearly stated the opposite of that, many, many, many times.
Not exactly. Maybe it would be more correct to say that you blur any distinction between the base and the larger pool of Trump supporters or voters. Otherwise why are you trying to argue the point?
"So in your mind, there is a very small area of overlap between people who will support Trump, no matter what he says and does, without being critical of anything he does, and people who make up the base of support, who also support everything he says and does and will not be critical of him."
Quote:Again, why are you lying?
Because I'm not.
Quote:I very clearly say that I know who I would put in the base, but I don't know how many people are in his base. You even quote the comment where I say I have a clear idea of whom I would categorize as his base.
You seem to be trying to paint me as saying everyone who supports Trump is part of his base so you can attack me. That's your right, but you're wrong and it's getting tiresome.
No, what you are saying is not that everyone who supports Trump is in his radical base, but rather that there is no difference between the two.
Here's how I see it. There's a radical right base. Some members of that base are racists, but not all, and not nearly as many as the left likes to rail about. There is a radical left base. Some members of that base are collectivists/socialists/communists. I happen to think that's a majority of that base. But how much of either base is racist or collectivist/socialist/communist is not the real issue here.
The real issue is how the rest are viewed. Some of us see Trump as a lesser evil than the democrats, and you feel free to paint all with the racist/extremist brush. No matter how much we deny it, that's not good enough.
On the other side are people whom I generally regard as decent and intelligent people whole left. What I don't understand is that since Obama, what I used to call the rational left has gone hook, line, and sinker for the collectivist/socialist/communist of the radical left base, absolutely without batting a critical eye. I find that both mystifying and deeply troubling.
So to clarify what I am saying, I don't say that you accuse every Trump supporter as being of the radical right base, but you seem to want to paint them all with the same brush. At the same time you refuse to call out the radical left for what they are.
I've never once said, in this discussion, that there is no difference between the base and people who supported him. If you look at the quote of mine you cite at the top, you'll see they say literally the same thing. I just added the word "base" before one of the descriptions.
You're arguing against a boogeyman, as opposed to what I am actually saying. We both agree about the base that supports Trump, yet you keep trying to extend my comment further.
I understand why people held their nose and supported Trump, and why they might again, and that decision does not mean they're part of the base I'm calling out. I disagree with their decision to do that, and I think they shouldn't, but I don't see where I called those people racist or extremist. Can you point that out to me?
I very intentionally focused on Trump's base when talking about the response to the "go back to your country" comment, yet you keep telling me that I'm talking about more people than I am...
While you wail and gnash about the "go back to your country", you should really hear Ilhan Omar in her new conference right now. Would love to hear your counterpoint 'wail and gnash' about her point of view right now (even if you can stop the cringing as she thrashes about on the word 'inalienable').
What are your thoughts on the Omar/OAC 'base' in this point in time?
Centrist? Representative of actually appreciating America? In touch with middle America? In touch with the Democratic party? Representative of modern progressivism?
Oh boy OAC now follows, the more I listen to this troika the more I realize that the comments I put in series previously as a jest is not so jovial.
I think this one lands right in center mass as listen to this trio:
Quote:they should think about not having three of the most prominent immigrants in their party be people who make immigrants look like ungrateful pricks.
What is your thought on how their base is taking to this lad? 93? Are they lapping it up?
The really funny thing is that the Trump comments have now thrust this shithole trio straight to the top of whom to identify with as the current left. I think Roger Stone's best political dirty trick ever is to get these three elected.
The *really* funny thing is that the Democratic candidate (whomever he/she/xhe) is will have to embrace these shrill monsters as the poster children of their movement, because god forbid they take Pelosi's side in the screech fest, since that is the side that also houses the Orange Bad Monster.
So my thoughts on the "AOC base" as you call it. I think that AOC is rather interesting - I view her as a Tea Partier of the left. She definitely is not a centrist, but ironically has agreed with Ted Cruz about a few issues and both shared that agreement via Twitter (whether that will ever turn into something concrete is another story). She certainly falls on the left side of the spectrum and advocates for a progressive platform that gets her base fired up.
Do I think she appreciates America? Yes - if she didn't, why would she have run for office? Someone wanting to change things, be critical of an administration, or even a country, doesn't mean they don't appreciate America. She is definitely representative of modern progressivism, and is in touch with some parts of the Democratic party (remember, she supported Pelosi's bid as Speaker when a lot of moderate liberals were not).
I find your quote interesting - is it referring to AOC? If so, you may want to look up where AOC was born. If you think it's a shithole, well, you must not appreciate America either...
I think there are a lot of people in the progressive base lapping up the constant fire that AOC and her cohorts are throwing at Trump. Talking crap about Trump works, and the base gets real fired up with that.
One thing I appreciate about AOC is her background and work ethic. She is unquestionably smart (she went to the international science fair in high school and graduated *** laude from BU) and worked a physically demanding job prior to pursuing a career in politics. She worked hard in high school, college, and after college and is proof positive that you can become successful in American politics because of your merits, not just your name.
Can answer some more questions if you have specifics.
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