(05-29-2019 04:15 PM)georgewebb Wrote:  

(05-29-2019 03:42 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(05-29-2019 03:26 PM)georgewebb Wrote:  

(05-29-2019 02:50 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(05-29-2019 02:29 PM)georgewebb Wrote:  I would be surprised if the feelings are truly similar. My personal experience is as follows:

Among the conservatives I know:
- There are none whom I know to be racist
- There are very few whom I know to be unpatriotic
- There are none whom I know to be anti-patriotic

Among the leftists I know:
- There are a few whom I know to be racist
- There are very many whom I know to be unpatriotic
- There are more than a few whom I know to be anti-patriotic

Thus, based on my experience, the leftist tendency to accuse conservatives of racism is much MUCH more baseless than any corresponding conservative tendency to accuse leftists of lacking patriotism.

What is your experience?

That's interesting. My experience is different.

Among the conservatives I know:
- There is a disturbingly high percentage that I would consider racist

Where do you meet these people?

All walks of life including (I'm sorry to say) extended family.

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(05-29-2019 02:50 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  Among the leftists I know:
- There are a none whom I know to be racist
- There are none whom I know to be unpatriotic
- There are none I know to be anti-patriotic

I hate to say it, but I'm not sure you're being honest here. Where does one meet multiple leftists and NOT find at least one who is racist, and one or more who is (at the very least) unpatriotic? I see multiple examples of each type just among the leftists that I am Facebook friends with.

Where does one meet multiple conservatives and NOT find at least one who is racist?

You’re welcome to come to church with me, or to just about any social or professional gathering. I believe I’ve given you my number and email previously. If not, here they are again: gwebb@rice.edu, 713-269-5061. I am serious.

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(05-29-2019 02:50 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  But in my eyes, a conservative is much more likely to be racist than a leftist is to be unpatriotic.

My personal experience (a more precise term than "my eyes") is that this statement is completely false, and the exact opposite is true. In fact, I don't think I could stress enough how overwhelmingly lopsided the difference is.

To be clear, the people I interact with are, for the most part, extraordinarily highly educated and well-read, even by the standards of most Rice alumni groups. Different types of crowds might certainly be different.

I can't stress how overwhelmingly lopsided the difference is in my experience. Certainly we run in different crowds given your occupation. Our antenna are also probably positioned a bit differently based on our own personal biases.

Most of the running I do is not work-related, but anyway: what is your occupation, and how does it come to harbor so many racist conservatives and patriotic, egalitarian leftists?

But yes, the current predisposition among leftists to allege — including to falsely allege — racism is very likely a factor.
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My work experience with respect to running into conservative who were explicitly racist has been limited to the blue collar guys I work with. I try to avoid all political talk when possible, but I've had a few situations (primarily when Obama was president), where certain words were used by drillers and rig operators to describe the then POTUS which you don't use if you aren't, ya know, at least a bit racist.

I don't share the same view of the prevalence of racism among conservatives I run into through work or fun. If I do, I must block out or miss some of it.

(05-29-2019 04:30 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  My work experience with respect to running into conservative who were explicitly racist has been limited to the blue collar guys I work with. I try to avoid all political talk when possible, but I've had a few situations (primarily when Obama was president), where certain words were used by drillers and rig operators to describe the then POTUS which you don't use if you aren't, ya know, at least a bit racist.

I don't share the same view of the prevalence of racism among conservatives I run into through work or fun.

That’s similar to my experience - and in my case, the folks in the former category are not people I really know. It’s a lot different from 93’s “all walks of life”.

But the claims that surprised me most were the ones about not knowing ANY racist leftists or ANY unpatriotic ones. Again, I see plenty of examples of each just among Facebook friends.

(05-29-2019 04:48 PM)georgewebb Wrote:  

(05-29-2019 04:30 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  My work experience with respect to running into conservative who were explicitly racist has been limited to the blue collar guys I work with. I try to avoid all political talk when possible, but I've had a few situations (primarily when Obama was president), where certain words were used by drillers and rig operators to describe the then POTUS which you don't use if you aren't, ya know, at least a bit racist.

I don't share the same view of the prevalence of racism among conservatives I run into through work or fun.

That’s similar to my experience - and in my case, the folks in the former category are not people I really know. It’s a lot different from 93’s “all walks of life”.

But the claims that surprised me most were the ones about not knowing ANY racist leftists or ANY unpatriotic ones. Again, I see plenty of examples of each just among Facebook friends.

I think it would be helpful to provide a bit of insight into what makes someone unpatriotic and what examples you've seen of racism on the left.

I see a lot of my friends on the left and right criticizing things about America, but I don't find that an unpatriotic act (not sure if you do). If you do, as James Baldwin once said "I love America more than any other country in the world and, exactly for this reason, I insist on the right to criticize her perpetually.”

(05-29-2019 04:48 PM)georgewebb Wrote:  

(05-29-2019 04:30 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  My work experience with respect to running into conservative who were explicitly racist has been limited to the blue collar guys I work with. I try to avoid all political talk when possible, but I've had a few situations (primarily when Obama was president), where certain words were used by drillers and rig operators to describe the then POTUS which you don't use if you aren't, ya know, at least a bit racist.

I don't share the same view of the prevalence of racism among conservatives I run into through work or fun.

That’s similar to my experience - and in my case, the folks in the former category are not people I really know. It’s a lot different from 93’s “all walks of life”.

But the claims that surprised me most were the ones about not knowing ANY racist leftists or ANY unpatriotic ones. Again, I see plenty of examples of each just among Facebook friends.

George, you claimed that you didn't know ANY racist conservatives... that is just as surprising to me. Your stated experience is that leftists are more likely to be racist than conservatives. I also find this surprising. Every facebook "friend" that posts borderline racist things on my feed is a conservative. You find liberal facebook "friends" posting things that are racist but never your conservative "friends"?

I simply don't know anybody that I would call unpatriotic. Again... our definitions are likely be different. If a person supports Kaepernick's right to kneel during the national anthem, I wouldn't call that person unpatriotic. Others may disagree. But I never hear people trying to convince me that America sucks.

(05-29-2019 04:15 PM)georgewebb Wrote:  

(05-29-2019 03:42 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(05-29-2019 03:26 PM)georgewebb Wrote:  

(05-29-2019 02:50 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(05-29-2019 02:29 PM)georgewebb Wrote:  I would be surprised if the feelings are truly similar. My personal experience is as follows:

Among the conservatives I know:
- There are none whom I know to be racist
- There are very few whom I know to be unpatriotic
- There are none whom I know to be anti-patriotic

Among the leftists I know:
- There are a few whom I know to be racist
- There are very many whom I know to be unpatriotic
- There are more than a few whom I know to be anti-patriotic

Thus, based on my experience, the leftist tendency to accuse conservatives of racism is much MUCH more baseless than any corresponding conservative tendency to accuse leftists of lacking patriotism.

What is your experience?

That's interesting. My experience is different.

Among the conservatives I know:
- There is a disturbingly high percentage that I would consider racist

Where do you meet these people?

All walks of life including (I'm sorry to say) extended family.

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(05-29-2019 02:50 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  Among the leftists I know:
- There are a none whom I know to be racist
- There are none whom I know to be unpatriotic
- There are none I know to be anti-patriotic

I hate to say it, but I'm not sure you're being honest here. Where does one meet multiple leftists and NOT find at least one who is racist, and one or more who is (at the very least) unpatriotic? I see multiple examples of each type just among the leftists that I am Facebook friends with.

Where does one meet multiple conservatives and NOT find at least one who is racist?

You’re welcome to come to church with me, or to just about any social or professional gathering. I believe I’ve given you my number and email previously. If not, here they are again: gwebb@rice.edu, 713-269-5061. I am serious.

George... I don't think all conservatives are racist. I think the vast majority are not. I have plenty of close friends and family members that are very conservative and none of them are in the least bit racist (some of my extended family have made comments re: BLM, affirmative action, etc. that crossed the line).

I kind of feel like I'm in the Twilight Zone here. You said "I'm not sure you're being honest here. Where does one meet multiple leftists and NOT find at least one that is racist" and I posed the same question back to you regarding conservatives.

What kind of racist posts are your leftist facebook friends making? I share Lad's curiosity.

(05-29-2019 04:12 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(05-29-2019 03:57 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(05-29-2019 03:54 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(05-29-2019 03:42 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(05-29-2019 03:26 PM)georgewebb Wrote:  Where do you meet these people?

All walks of life including (I'm sorry to say) extended family.

Quote:I hate to say it, but I'm not sure you're being honest here. Where does one meet multiple leftists and NOT find at least one who is racist, and one or more who is (at the very least) unpatriotic? I see multiple examples of each type just among the leftists that I am Facebook friends with.

Where does one meet multiple conservatives and NOT find at least one who is racist?

Interesting. So whom amongst OO, Owl#s, Webb, and myself are racist in your view of the world?
4 is definitely 'multiple', mind you......

I know you're joking here so I won't try to defend it

Im serious. You made a bald ass fing statement that wherever there are 'multiple conservatives that one must be a conservative.'
There is a list of multiple 'conservatives'. Prove your statement up. Or is the comment just a knee jerk reaction that you pulled out of your ass? Im fine with either response in return.
To be blunt, I wouldnt defend that idiotic remark either.

Quote:I could make the same argument that either Lad or I must be racist/unpatriotic per George's post.

I guess you cannot fathom any sort of difference between the specific term 'multiple' (asserted as a fact, mind you).
The terminology on your retort was 'very many' who are unpatriotic (I probably dont agree with that), and 'more than a few' who are anti-patriotic (one that I do agree with).
Either case, with a population of two, I think it not odd that you and lad are *not* necessarily unpatriotic, nor odd that you and lad are *not* anti-patriotic.
But your statement was quite a bit more precise. So, I have given you your "multiple" and your view is than one cannot avoid a racist with any multiple. Very specifically and explicitly. SO either one of the named *is* racist, or you are pulling specific and explicit statements pretty much literally out of your ass to make a rhetorical flourish.
So which is it? One of us has to be racist, or your comment was a typical knee-jerk rhetorical flourish that many progressives are drawn to like a Mardi Gras stripper is to a C-note.

I think there has been this knee-jerk reaction on the part of those on the left to brand any conservative as "racist," and that certainly intensified in the Obama years. It was always easier simply to say, "you hate him because he is a black man," than it was to debate the specifics of issues.

I have known many conservatives. I would consider maybe two of them to be racists. I have known an equal number of leftists, or more, that I would consider racists. The "or more" part depends on how you would describe blacks who are anti-white. If that is included in your definition of racism, then the "or more" would be "many more."

I have known many leftists. I would consider maybe two of them to be patriotic. I wouldn't necessarily consider the rest unpatriotic or anti-patriotic, just indifferent to patriotism. I don't have any truly anti-patriotic friends. They wouldn't be my friends if they were.

I sincerely believe that the MO of the democrat party in my lifetime has been, "Keep 'em dumb, keep 'em poor, keep 'em dependent on handouts, and you will keep 'em voting democrat." I really think the democrats do a horrible job of making things better for poor and minority Americans, but they enjoy the support of those groups because they promise bigger and bigger handouts. To my knowledge, that has only been challenged by a handful of conservatives, primarily black conservatives who lifted themselves out of poverty. Perhaps the most irritating thing to me in all of American politics is that the republicans are unable to articulate an alternative to the "welfare trap" or "poverty trap" that our welfare system has become.

I guess the other thing that irritates me about American politics is that I know many people who are reasonably intelligent and tend democrat, but they have astonished me with their willingness to fall hook, line, and sinker for socialist/communist/collectivist rhetoric that has invaded the democrat party from the left. I can't conceive how someone can equate the political philosophy of Barack Obama, much less Bernie or AOC, with the historic democrat philosophy, as espoused by the lies of JFK or Truman, or for that matter even FDR. I just don't get it.

Where does one meet multiple conservatives and NOT find at least one who is racist? - Rice 93


I’ll tell you one - the poker table.

Poker players are overwhelmingly conservative. Maybe it comes from paying their own way and not relying on a governing force to level the playing field for them. They rely on themselves. Probably inclines them to be conservative. Never heard a poker player complain about racism,either on or off the table.

Judging from MAGA hats, tee shirts, and table talk, Iwould say 80%of poker players support the GOP and/or Trump. Maybe more. Maybe a lot more.

Normally, politics is not a topic of discussion, but when it is, I think you would find yourself a minority of one.

Apoker tournament includes, routinely, people who are black, white, Asian, Hispanic, female, male, Muslim, Christian, gay, lesbian,straight, whatever persecuted minority you want to list. All in harmony, all friendly, no problems. I guess if one wanted to,you could just assume all or most of the white players were closet racists. But it would be based on assumptions, not evidence.

Quote:To be clear, the people I interact with are, for the most part, extraordinarily highly educated and well-read, even by the standards of most Rice alumni groups.

You are going for quite the score in the progressive decathalon.

Bummer, I guess the people I interact with whom do not agree with your thesis must *obviously* be far heavier on the dumb **** redneck scale. That most go without saying with that little nugget you chose to spice your spiel up there with.....

Good god.

This is almost as good as the Babylon Bee. I guess saying how much smarter and more intelligent all your progressive group thinkers is must be the left's version of 'No! My dick is bigger'....

Sorry '93 you are on a roll hitting almost every single trope in existence.

(05-29-2019 05:16 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  Where does one meet multiple conservatives and NOT find at least one who is racist? - Rice 93


I’ll tell you one - the poker table.

Poker players are overwhelmingly conservative. Maybe it comes from paying their own way and not relying on a governing force to level the playing field for them. They rely on themselves. Probably inclines them to be conservative. Never heard a poker player complain about racism,either on or off the table.

Judging from MAGA hats, tee shirts, and table talk, Iwould say 80%of poker players support the GOP and/or Trump. Maybe more. Maybe a lot more.

Normally, politics is not a topic of discussion, but when it is, I think you would find yourself a minority of one.

Apoker tournament includes, routinely, people who are black, white, Asian, Hispanic, female, male, Muslim, Christian, gay, lesbian,straight, whatever persecuted minority you want to list. All in harmony, all friendly, no problems. I guess if one wanted to,you could just assume all or most of the white players were closet racists. But it would be based on assumptions, not evidence.

Well OO, those are *not* the self-described super duper smart, well versed, and well read people that '93 chose to regale us with, are they?

(05-29-2019 05:20 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

Quote:To be clear, the people I interact with are, for the most part, extraordinarily highly educated and well-read, even by the standards of most Rice alumni groups.

You are going for quite the score in the progressive decathalon.

Bummer, I guess the people I interact with whom do not agree with your thesis must *obviously* be far heavier on the dumb **** redneck scale. That most go without saying with that little nugget you chose to spice your spiel up there with.....

Good god.

This is almost as good as the Babylon Bee. I guess saying how much smarter and more intelligent all your progressive group thinkers is must be the left's version of 'No! My dick is bigger'....

Sorry '93 you are on a roll hitting almost every single trope in existence.

Seriously. You are taking the levels of self-ownage to new heights today.

The quote you are mistakingly attributing to me was actually from georgewebb.

(05-29-2019 04:59 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(05-29-2019 04:48 PM)georgewebb Wrote:  

(05-29-2019 04:30 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  My work experience with respect to running into conservative who were explicitly racist has been limited to the blue collar guys I work with. I try to avoid all political talk when possible, but I've had a few situations (primarily when Obama was president), where certain words were used by drillers and rig operators to describe the then POTUS which you don't use if you aren't, ya know, at least a bit racist.

I don't share the same view of the prevalence of racism among conservatives I run into through work or fun.

That’s similar to my experience - and in my case, the folks in the former category are not people I really know. It’s a lot different from 93’s “all walks of life”.

But the claims that surprised me most were the ones about not knowing ANY racist leftists or ANY unpatriotic ones. Again, I see plenty of examples of each just among Facebook friends.

George, you claimed that you didn't know ANY racist conservatives... that is just as surprising to me. Your stated experience is that leftists are more likely to be racist than conservatives. I also find this surprising. Every facebook "friend" that posts borderline racist things on my feed is a conservative. You find liberal facebook "friends" posting things that are racist but never your conservative "friends"?

Correct. Why does that surprise you?

Quote:I simply don't know anybody that I would call unpatriotic.
Again... our definitions are likely be different.

By “unpatriotic” I simply mean not patriotic - including what someone else called “indifferent to patriotism.” What did you think I meant? And is everyone you know patriotic?

By “anti-patriotic”, I mean against patriotism. You don’t know anyone like that?

It sounds like you could benefit from meeting broader circles of conservatives. I’ve offered to introduce you, and I’ve given you my contact information. Will you take me up on it?

(05-29-2019 05:26 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(05-29-2019 05:20 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

Quote:To be clear, the people I interact with are, for the most part, extraordinarily highly educated and well-read, even by the standards of most Rice alumni groups.

You are going for quite the score in the progressive decathalon.

Bummer, I guess the people I interact with whom do not agree with your thesis must *obviously* be far heavier on the dumb **** redneck scale. That most go without saying with that little nugget you chose to spice your spiel up there with.....

Good god.

This is almost as good as the Babylon Bee. I guess saying how much smarter and more intelligent all your progressive group thinkers is must be the left's version of 'No! My dick is bigger'....

Sorry '93 you are on a roll hitting almost every single trope in existence.

Seriously. You are taking the levels of self-ownage to new heights today.

The quote you are mistakingly attributing to me was actually from georgewebb.

Correct - I messed up the quotation markers, and didn’t get a chance to fix it before people started replying. It was an admittedly elitist statement but it’s true.

(05-29-2019 04:58 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(05-29-2019 04:48 PM)georgewebb Wrote:  

(05-29-2019 04:30 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  My work experience with respect to running into conservative who were explicitly racist has been limited to the blue collar guys I work with. I try to avoid all political talk when possible, but I've had a few situations (primarily when Obama was president), where certain words were used by drillers and rig operators to describe the then POTUS which you don't use if you aren't, ya know, at least a bit racist.

I don't share the same view of the prevalence of racism among conservatives I run into through work or fun.

That’s similar to my experience - and in my case, the folks in the former category are not people I really know. It’s a lot different from 93’s “all walks of life”.

But the claims that surprised me most were the ones about not knowing ANY racist leftists or ANY unpatriotic ones. Again, I see plenty of examples of each just among Facebook friends.

I think it would be helpful to provide a bit of insight into what makes someone unpatriotic and what examples you've seen of racism on the left.

I’d be happy to. Please give me a call!

Quote:I see a lot of my friends on the left and right criticizing things about America, but I don't find that an unpatriotic act (not sure if you do).

Do you think I do? If so, on what basis?

(05-29-2019 05:08 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  I kind of feel like I'm in the Twilight Zone here. You said "I'm not sure you're being honest here. Where does one meet multiple leftists and NOT find at least one that is racist" and I posed the same question back to you regarding conservatives.

And I answered your questions with examples of where, and offered to show you those examples personally. Are you interested?

I assumed (perhaps wrongly) that you know many more leftists than you do conservatives. So do I. If that assumption is correct in your case, then your claim not to know a single racist leftist or a single unpatriotic one seems more bizarre than anything I have said. I don’t think that claim is credible.

(05-29-2019 05:43 PM)georgewebb Wrote:  

(05-29-2019 04:58 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(05-29-2019 04:48 PM)georgewebb Wrote:  

(05-29-2019 04:30 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  My work experience with respect to running into conservative who were explicitly racist has been limited to the blue collar guys I work with. I try to avoid all political talk when possible, but I've had a few situations (primarily when Obama was president), where certain words were used by drillers and rig operators to describe the then POTUS which you don't use if you aren't, ya know, at least a bit racist.

I don't share the same view of the prevalence of racism among conservatives I run into through work or fun.

That’s similar to my experience - and in my case, the folks in the former category are not people I really know. It’s a lot different from 93’s “all walks of life”.

But the claims that surprised me most were the ones about not knowing ANY racist leftists or ANY unpatriotic ones. Again, I see plenty of examples of each just among Facebook friends.

I think it would be helpful to provide a bit of insight into what makes someone unpatriotic and what examples you've seen of racism on the left.

I’d be happy to. Please give me a call!

Quote:I see a lot of my friends on the left and right criticizing things about America, but I don't find that an unpatriotic act (not sure if you do).

Do you think I do? If so, on what basis?

Not sure if you do find that an unpatriotic act (which is why I said that). I specifically made sure to say that because I've seen people (on this board even) question whether someone was patriotic, wanted to be in the country, etc. for criticizing aspects of it (see conversations about Kaepernick).

Just wanted to get your thoughts on what constituted unpatriotic acts.

(05-29-2019 05:57 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(05-29-2019 05:43 PM)georgewebb Wrote:  

(05-29-2019 04:58 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(05-29-2019 04:48 PM)georgewebb Wrote:  

(05-29-2019 04:30 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  My work experience with respect to running into conservative who were explicitly racist has been limited to the blue collar guys I work with. I try to avoid all political talk when possible, but I've had a few situations (primarily when Obama was president), where certain words were used by drillers and rig operators to describe the then POTUS which you don't use if you aren't, ya know, at least a bit racist.

I don't share the same view of the prevalence of racism among conservatives I run into through work or fun.

That’s similar to my experience - and in my case, the folks in the former category are not people I really know. It’s a lot different from 93’s “all walks of life”.

But the claims that surprised me most were the ones about not knowing ANY racist leftists or ANY unpatriotic ones. Again, I see plenty of examples of each just among Facebook friends.

I think it would be helpful to provide a bit of insight into what makes someone unpatriotic and what examples you've seen of racism on the left.

I’d be happy to. Please give me a call!

Quote:I see a lot of my friends on the left and right criticizing things about America, but I don't find that an unpatriotic act (not sure if you do).

Do you think I do? If so, on what basis?

Not sure if you do find that an unpatriotic act (which is why I said that). I specifically made sure to say that because I've seen people (on this board even) question whether someone was patriotic, wanted to be in the country, etc. for criticizing aspects of it (see conversations about Kaepernick).

Just wanted to get your thoughts on what constituted unpatriotic acts.

Again, when I said unpatriotic, I meant not patriotic. Did you miss that?

I would like to get your thoughts on what are patriotic acts.

(05-29-2019 05:26 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(05-29-2019 05:20 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

Quote:To be clear, the people I interact with are, for the most part, extraordinarily highly educated and well-read, even by the standards of most Rice alumni groups.

You are going for quite the score in the progressive decathalon.

Bummer, I guess the people I interact with whom do not agree with your thesis must *obviously* be far heavier on the dumb **** redneck scale. That most go without saying with that little nugget you chose to spice your spiel up there with.....

Good god.

This is almost as good as the Babylon Bee. I guess saying how much smarter and more intelligent all your progressive group thinkers is must be the left's version of 'No! My dick is bigger'....

Sorry '93 you are on a roll hitting almost every single trope in existence.

Seriously. You are taking the levels of self-ownage to new heights today.

The quote you are mistakingly attributing to me was actually from georgewebb.

Yep -- double checked and you are correct. George: stop using the ****** progressive trope of 'we are obviously much smarter than you' --- poor form.

'93 -- happy now?

(05-29-2019 06:08 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(05-29-2019 05:26 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(05-29-2019 05:20 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

Quote:To be clear, the people I interact with are, for the most part, extraordinarily highly educated and well-read, even by the standards of most Rice alumni groups.

You are going for quite the score in the progressive decathalon.

Bummer, I guess the people I interact with whom do not agree with your thesis must *obviously* be far heavier on the dumb **** redneck scale. That most go without saying with that little nugget you chose to spice your spiel up there with.....

Good god.

This is almost as good as the Babylon Bee. I guess saying how much smarter and more intelligent all your progressive group thinkers is must be the left's version of 'No! My dick is bigger'....

Sorry '93 you are on a roll hitting almost every single trope in existence.

Seriously. You are taking the levels of self-ownage to new heights today.

The quote you are mistakingly attributing to me was actually from georgewebb.

Yep -- double checked and you are correct. George: stop using the ****** progressive trope of 'we are obviously much smarter than you' --- poor form.

'93 -- happy now?

The only reasoned I mentioned it is this:
- 93 says that in his circle, the racists are all conservative, and the leftists are all (every one!) egalitarian patriots.
- In my circle, the racists are leftists, as are most of the non-patriots.
- My circle is rather elite(ist).
- I am guessing that 93’s circle is less so.

A not-unreasonable inference is that among elite circles, it’s the leftists more than the conservatives who are deplorable.





Which we probably already knew.

(05-29-2019 06:19 PM)georgewebb Wrote:  

(05-29-2019 06:08 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(05-29-2019 05:26 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(05-29-2019 05:20 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

Quote:To be clear, the people I interact with are, for the most part, extraordinarily highly educated and well-read, even by the standards of most Rice alumni groups.

You are going for quite the score in the progressive decathalon.

Bummer, I guess the people I interact with whom do not agree with your thesis must *obviously* be far heavier on the dumb **** redneck scale. That most go without saying with that little nugget you chose to spice your spiel up there with.....

Good god.

This is almost as good as the Babylon Bee. I guess saying how much smarter and more intelligent all your progressive group thinkers is must be the left's version of 'No! My dick is bigger'....

Sorry '93 you are on a roll hitting almost every single trope in existence.

Seriously. You are taking the levels of self-ownage to new heights today.

The quote you are mistakingly attributing to me was actually from georgewebb.

Yep -- double checked and you are correct. George: stop using the ****** progressive trope of 'we are obviously much smarter than you' --- poor form.

'93 -- happy now?

The only reasoned I mentioned it is this:
- 93 says that in his circle, the racists are all conservative, and the leftists are all (every one!) egalitarian patriots.
- In my circle, the racists are leftists, as are most of the non-patriots.
- My circle is rather elite(ist).
- I am guessing that 93’s circle is less so.

A not-unreasonable inference is that among elite circles, it’s the leftists more than the conservatives who are deplorable.





Which we probably already knew.

George, if you self-admittedly run with an elitist crowd, then why the hell are we still friends after 35+ years? Or am I just your 'token' redneck?

(05-29-2019 06:25 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(05-29-2019 06:19 PM)georgewebb Wrote:  

(05-29-2019 06:08 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(05-29-2019 05:26 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(05-29-2019 05:20 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  You are going for quite the score in the progressive decathalon.

Bummer, I guess the people I interact with whom do not agree with your thesis must *obviously* be far heavier on the dumb **** redneck scale. That most go without saying with that little nugget you chose to spice your spiel up there with.....

Good god.

This is almost as good as the Babylon Bee. I guess saying how much smarter and more intelligent all your progressive group thinkers is must be the left's version of 'No! My dick is bigger'....

Sorry '93 you are on a roll hitting almost every single trope in existence.

Seriously. You are taking the levels of self-ownage to new heights today.

The quote you are mistakingly attributing to me was actually from georgewebb.

Yep -- double checked and you are correct. George: stop using the ****** progressive trope of 'we are obviously much smarter than you' --- poor form.

'93 -- happy now?

The only reasoned I mentioned it is this:
- 93 says that in his circle, the racists are all conservative, and the leftists are all (every one!) egalitarian patriots.
- In my circle, the racists are leftists, as are most of the non-patriots.
- My circle is rather elite(ist).
- I am guessing that 93’s circle is less so.

A not-unreasonable inference is that among elite circles, it’s the leftists more than the conservatives who are deplorable.





Which we probably already knew.

George, if you self-admittedly run with an elitist crowd, then why the hell are we still friends after 35+ years? Or am I just your 'token' redneck?

Hey, I didn’t say I LIKE elitists — it just seems like I’m around them all the time. :)

That’s my story and I’m sticking to it!