(01-31-2019 04:11 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(01-31-2019 03:32 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  Im still apprehensive to see this list of expensive Republican proposals and items.

yeah, that is worrisome.

Where that border wall funding coming from? No es Mexico, MIs amigos.

(01-31-2019 09:04 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(01-31-2019 04:11 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(01-31-2019 03:32 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  Im still apprehensive to see this list of expensive Republican proposals and items.

yeah, that is worrisome.

Where that border wall funding coming from? No es Mexico, MIs amigos.

You mean that $5B? What's that as a percentage of Obamacare? .5%? .005%?
When you said expensive, I didn't know you meant greater than zero.

But we could do it the Democratic way. Say the rich will pay, spend it, and bill the middle class.

Anti-semitism

(02-02-2019 10:42 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  Anti-semitism

And that article, in its carefully slanted word choices, is a nice example of MSN’s own political bias.

(02-03-2019 11:46 AM)georgewebb Wrote:  

(02-02-2019 10:42 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  Anti-semitism

And that article, in its carefully slanted word choices, is a nice example of MSN’s own political bias.

Curious what you mean? (Honest attempt to understand your position.)

(02-04-2019 08:45 AM)JustAnotherAustinOwl Wrote:  

(02-03-2019 11:46 AM)georgewebb Wrote:  

(02-02-2019 10:42 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  Anti-semitism

And that article, in its carefully slanted word choices, is a nice example of MSN’s own political bias.

Curious what you mean? (Honest attempt to understand your position.)

How about this sentence from the second paragraph for starters?

"Almost daily, Republicans brashly accuse Ms. Tlaib and Ms. Omar of anti-Semitism and bigotry, hoping to make them the Democrats’ version of Representative Steve King as they try to tar the entire Democratic Party with their criticism of the Jewish state."

I think slanted language from the MSM is like salt on McDonald's fries. You are so used to it, you don't really notice that it is there.

Sometimes, when there is a particular item dominating the news, I switch back and forth between Fox and CNN, to see how they cover the news. It becomes really easy to discern the "salt" in CNN's coverage then, especially if certain anchors are on.

Blitzer, for example, likes to preface his questions to panelists with editorial comments of his own:

Frank, given what we know about this President's difficulties with the truth, is this the way an honest man would act?

(generic example, thus no quotes)

Tapper is the best, Lemon the worst.

Quote from Lemon via wiki:

In 2018 Lemon described Kanye West's appearance at the White House with President Donald Trump as "embarrassing" and a "Minstrel Show" whilst allowing his panel members to describe West as a "Token Negro".[22]

In October 2018, Lemon stated on-air: "So, we have to stop demonizing people and realize the biggest terror threat in this country is white men, most of them radicalized to the right. And we have to start doing something about them. There is no travel ban on them. There is no ban on — they had the Muslim ban. There is no white guy ban. So, what do we do about that?"[23]

I stopped taking Don Lemon seriously after he asked if Twitter conspiracy theories that a black hole swallowed Malaysian Airlines Flight 370 were actually preposterous

(02-04-2019 02:38 PM)westsidewolf1989 Wrote:  I stopped taking Don Lemon seriously after he asked if Twitter conspiracy theories that a black hole swallowed Malaysian Airlines Flight 370 were actually preposterous

Clearly, one of the most biased people at a network that favors biased people.

(02-04-2019 10:20 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(02-04-2019 08:45 AM)JustAnotherAustinOwl Wrote:  

(02-03-2019 11:46 AM)georgewebb Wrote:  

(02-02-2019 10:42 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  Anti-semitism

And that article, in its carefully slanted word choices, is a nice example of MSN’s own political bias.

Curious what you mean? (Honest attempt to understand your position.)

How about this sentence from the second paragraph for starters?

"Almost daily, Republicans brashly accuse Ms. Tlaib and Ms. Omar of anti-Semitism and bigotry, hoping to make them the Democrats’ version of Representative Steve King as they try to tar the entire Democratic Party with their criticism of the Jewish state."

JAAO, I am curious, did this answer your question?

(02-04-2019 03:35 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(02-04-2019 02:38 PM)westsidewolf1989 Wrote:  I stopped taking Don Lemon seriously after he asked if Twitter conspiracy theories that a black hole swallowed Malaysian Airlines Flight 370 were actually preposterous

Clearly, one of the most biased people at a network that favors biased people.

A prime example of the problem that the faux-news programs create. Lemon, Hannity, etc. really don't anchor news programs, but opinion programs. But the opinion programs operate like news programs, and so the line becomes incredibly blurred.

(02-04-2019 03:43 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(02-04-2019 03:35 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(02-04-2019 02:38 PM)westsidewolf1989 Wrote:  I stopped taking Don Lemon seriously after he asked if Twitter conspiracy theories that a black hole swallowed Malaysian Airlines Flight 370 were actually preposterous

Clearly, one of the most biased people at a network that favors biased people.

A prime example of the problem that the faux-news programs create. Lemon, Hannity, etc. really don't anchor news programs, but opinion programs. But the opinion programs operate like news programs, and so the line becomes incredibly blurred.

Actually they really dont operate like news programs. Panels of (experts) != news.

If you watch the news with Brett Baier and then Hannity, the difference is readily apparent. I will grant you there are a sizable number of people that pass the 'facts' when Hannity says them as in fact 'facts'. *That* is the problem.

Trust me, from first hand experience with such 'news network' issues, the 'facts' are loosely played with.

(02-04-2019 03:43 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(02-04-2019 03:35 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(02-04-2019 02:38 PM)westsidewolf1989 Wrote:  I stopped taking Don Lemon seriously after he asked if Twitter conspiracy theories that a black hole swallowed Malaysian Airlines Flight 370 were actually preposterous

Clearly, one of the most biased people at a network that favors biased people.

A prime example of the problem that the faux-news programs create. Lemon, Hannity, etc. really don't anchor news programs, but opinion programs. But the opinion programs operate like news programs, and so the line becomes incredibly blurred.

What does Blitzer run, an opinion show or a news show?

(02-04-2019 06:55 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(02-04-2019 03:43 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(02-04-2019 03:35 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(02-04-2019 02:38 PM)westsidewolf1989 Wrote:  I stopped taking Don Lemon seriously after he asked if Twitter conspiracy theories that a black hole swallowed Malaysian Airlines Flight 370 were actually preposterous

Clearly, one of the most biased people at a network that favors biased people.

A prime example of the problem that the faux-news programs create. Lemon, Hannity, etc. really don't anchor news programs, but opinion programs. But the opinion programs operate like news programs, and so the line becomes incredibly blurred.

What does Blitzer run, an opinion show or a news show?

Need me to run down each anchor?

This commercial is pretty good:
https://www.facebook.com/TherightviewofW...717645405/

My question, and you allude to it, is when do the misleading and slanted chyrons make an otherwise newscast into 'opinion'?

One could say with that distinction, CNN is nothing *but* opinion broadcasts pretty much all the time.

(02-04-2019 07:16 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(02-04-2019 06:55 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(02-04-2019 03:43 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(02-04-2019 03:35 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(02-04-2019 02:38 PM)westsidewolf1989 Wrote:  I stopped taking Don Lemon seriously after he asked if Twitter conspiracy theories that a black hole swallowed Malaysian Airlines Flight 370 were actually preposterous

Clearly, one of the most biased people at a network that favors biased people.

A prime example of the problem that the faux-news programs create. Lemon, Hannity, etc. really don't anchor news programs, but opinion programs. But the opinion programs operate like news programs, and so the line becomes incredibly blurred.

What does Blitzer run, an opinion show or a news show?

Need me to run down each anchor?

Just the ones you think report nothing but facts.

I am sure you are more familiar them with than I am. Blitzer is the one I see the most.

My opinion(!) is that Blitzer runs an opinion show. I just don't know if that is what he purports to do. In fact, I would say 90% of everything CNN puts out on politics is opinion. Once in a while they might report a mudslide or wildfire in California, then back to all Trump, all the time. Usually find a way to mix Trump in with the news.

(02-05-2019 12:17 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(02-04-2019 07:16 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(02-04-2019 06:55 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(02-04-2019 03:43 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(02-04-2019 03:35 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  Clearly, one of the most biased people at a network that favors biased people.

A prime example of the problem that the faux-news programs create. Lemon, Hannity, etc. really don't anchor news programs, but opinion programs. But the opinion programs operate like news programs, and so the line becomes incredibly blurred.

What does Blitzer run, an opinion show or a news show?

Need me to run down each anchor?

Just the ones you think report nothing but facts.

I am sure you are more familiar them with than I am. Blitzer is the one I see the most.

My opinion(!) is that Blitzer runs an opinion show. I just don't know if that is what he purports to do. In fact, I would say 90% of everything CNN puts out on politics is opinion. Once in a while they might report a mudslide or wildfire in California, then back to all Trump, all the time. Usually find a way to mix Trump in with the news.

Yeah, I don’t feel like playing this weird game for you.

I agree about CNN’s coverage - it’s rather frustrating how politics focused (see Trump) it’s become. I was just complaining about that to a friend this weekend, when explaining why I listen to NPR each morning (shocking, they actually cover news and not just Trump 24/7).

Very refreshing to see CNN present a long piece on US weapons being used in the Yemen conflict this morning. I usually don’t pay much attention if I put it on in the morning, just use it for background noise, but I’ve been actively paying attention.

(02-05-2019 07:51 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(02-05-2019 12:17 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(02-04-2019 07:16 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(02-04-2019 06:55 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(02-04-2019 03:43 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  A prime example of the problem that the faux-news programs create. Lemon, Hannity, etc. really don't anchor news programs, but opinion programs. But the opinion programs operate like news programs, and so the line becomes incredibly blurred.

What does Blitzer run, an opinion show or a news show?

Need me to run down each anchor?

Just the ones you think report nothing but facts.

I am sure you are more familiar them with than I am. Blitzer is the one I see the most.

My opinion(!) is that Blitzer runs an opinion show. I just don't know if that is what he purports to do. In fact, I would say 90% of everything CNN puts out on politics is opinion. Once in a while they might report a mudslide or wildfire in California, then back to all Trump, all the time. Usually find a way to mix Trump in with the news.

Yeah, I don’t feel like playing this weird game for you.

I agree about CNN’s coverage - it’s rather frustrating how politics focused (see Trump) it’s become. I was just complaining about that to a friend this weekend, when explaining why I listen to NPR each morning (shocking, they actually cover news and not just Trump 24/7).

Very refreshing to see CNN present a long piece on US weapons being used in the Yemen conflict this morning. I usually don’t pay much attention if I put it on in the morning, just use it for background noise, but I’ve been actively paying attention.

What weird game? You're seeing aliens in the woodwork.

My father, who was much farther right than me much sooner, was confined to his bedroom by mobility issues. In the 90's, I got him cable. All he cared about was sports and news/politics. His favorite channel? CNN. If he were still alive, he would hate it now.

I don't listen to NPR, but I do watch the panel discussion on Fox daily at 5:35. They have a mix of panelists that give depth to the discussion of issues, not just several people with one mind sitting in a row, as I see so often on CNN. One panelist I see often is Mara Liasson, NPR's National Political correspondent. I always find her comments to be fair and balanced.

CNN isn't just politics focused -it's Trump focused. I didn't see the Yemen piece you spoke of, but it wouldn't surprise me they said it was Trump's fault.

Lad -- I think the point being thrown here is in your very 'on the mark' comment of:

Quote:A prime example of the problem that the faux-news programs create. Lemon, Hannity, etc. really don't anchor news programs, but opinion programs. But the opinion programs operate like news programs, and so the line becomes incredibly blurred.

A cogent follow up to that is that a very good point can be made that the vast, vast majority of cable news, although it doesnt follow the prototypical fairly explicit delineation of news/opinion, actually can fall under the rubric of opinion.

A corollary to your first comment may be that the faux-news programs have in fact created faux-news networks overall.