(10-26-2018 05:39 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  For guy who is so friggin' in tune with 'optics' on how anything happens with a person on the right, you sure are blind.

One could easily take your amazingly fast trigger on making sure the asshat's political affiliations are highlighted are in rather poor taste -- especially for one who continuously complains about loudmouths and optics. Just saying.....

Take it for whatever you find worthwhile.

So we should just avoid any proof of the guys absolute wackoness because it calls back to his political beliefs?

That van was batshit crazy - not because it showed he supported Trump, but because of how insane the stickers were (multiple showed cross hairs on politicians) and how many there were. If his van had similarly been covered with that many stickers for My Little Pony, or Phish, or anything, I would have said the exact same thing.

There is a reason I specifically didn't mention his politics - because his political leanings didn't inform how wacko that van was.

Sorry you got butt hurt and read way too into it and assumed something instead of asking why I posted the photo.

(10-26-2018 03:18 PM)ausowl Wrote:  

(10-26-2018 02:55 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  What types of stickers did James T. Hodgkinson have around?

Funny that you didnt highlight that on June 14, 2017, and feel the absolute urge and necessity to to do it in this instance.

Thought you were a tad better than that Lad. Apparently not based on this previous post.

On a related note, how do you feel that Trump specifically said that the acts were gross and reprehensible, and that civility needs to come back to the fore? How do you feel about Pelosi and Schumer telling him to essentially stuff it?

Crazy will find an excuse to be crazy.

CNN headline re Hodgkinson: Bernie Sanders Supporter; Strongly Anti-Trump

Pelosi and Schumer - agree, lame response, feeds the beast/cycle. At this point in the election cycle, they ought to be messaging so independents are comfortable with voting D.

"Top Soccer Recruits for Trump" sorta jumps out at you.

I'm just surprised there was a sister bumper sticker for my "Mid-tier Ultimate Frisbee Recruits for Obama" bumper sticker.

(10-26-2018 03:31 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  I thought this was a great piece by Jonah Goldberg earlier today:

Logic of the Vendetta Now Guides Our Politics

I had specifically not called out about 5 or 6 *actual* incidents in the last two or three weeks, not of 'bad boy' behavior like screaming at restaurants, but of actual physical attacks on Republican candidates. Didnt think it really constructive. Didnt think it right given the atmosphere to launch those incendiary comments abut incendiary issues.

I found Lad's emphasis, given that, in utterly poor taste, to be blunt.

Thanks for posting that NR article.

Something about the twitter post below and our current national discourse:

@chucklindell
2h2 hours ago
Wild email report from Austin Police:
1. Officers were investigating possible DWI crash on MoPac.
2. Squad car hit by 2nd driver, who's arrested for DWI.
3. Ambulance comes out. It's hit by THIRD driver, who's arrested for DWI.
1:11 a.m. on MoPac… Beware.

(10-26-2018 02:55 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  What types of stickers did James T. Hodgkinson have around?

Funny that you didnt highlight that on June 14, 2017, and feel the absolute urge and necessity to to do it in this instance.

Thought you were a tad better than that Lad. Apparently not based on this previous post.

On a related note, how do you feel that Trump specifically said that the acts were gross and reprehensible, and that civility needs to come back to the fore? How do you feel about Pelosi and Schumer telling him to essentially stuff it?

I would feel a heck of a lot better if Trump practiced what he preached. It's pretty hard to try and hold one of Trump's responses up as an example of, I don't know, civility, when he quickly turns around and does this:

Quote:"We must never allow political violence to take root in America, we cannot let it happen, and I am committed to doing everything in my power to stop it and to stop it now," the president said at the beginning of his speech to a group of young black leaders.

Later in his speech, however, the president contradicted his message of unity by going after people he called "globalists," and claiming they were hurting the economy. As he railed on "globalists," someone in the crowd yelled out "George Soros!" and the crowd began chanting "Lock him up!" The president chuckled, pointed to the crowd, and repeated the phrase "lock him up," back to them.

https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-bo...eekTwitter

I'd feel a heck of a lot better if the second paragraph didn't happen. Unfortunately we do not have a POTUS in office that will fulfill that hope.

edit: and to touch on the Dem response, I'd feel a heck of a lot better if they didn't respond in the way they did. I agree with what they say about Trump's words ringing hollow (see example posted above), but to be honest, I'd rather they be the adults in the room and just ignore Trump at this point.

I'm failing to understand how "lock him/her up," which is a call for our legal system to take action, translates into a call for illegal acts of violence. Lad, perhaps you can fill in some blanks there.

(10-26-2018 06:45 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  I'm failing to understand how "lock him/her up," which is a call for our legal system to take action, translates into a call for illegal acts of violence. Lad, perhaps you can fill in some blanks there.

What is George Soros potentially guilty of?

(10-26-2018 05:59 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(10-26-2018 03:18 PM)ausowl Wrote:  

(10-26-2018 02:55 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  What types of stickers did James T. Hodgkinson have around?

Funny that you didnt highlight that on June 14, 2017, and feel the absolute urge and necessity to to do it in this instance.

Thought you were a tad better than that Lad. Apparently not based on this previous post.

On a related note, how do you feel that Trump specifically said that the acts were gross and reprehensible, and that civility needs to come back to the fore? How do you feel about Pelosi and Schumer telling him to essentially stuff it?

Crazy will find an excuse to be crazy.

CNN headline re Hodgkinson: Bernie Sanders Supporter; Strongly Anti-Trump

Pelosi and Schumer - agree, lame response, feeds the beast/cycle. At this point in the election cycle, they ought to be messaging so independents are comfortable with voting D.

"Top Soccer Recruits for Trump" sorta jumps out at you.

I'm just surprised there was a sister bumper sticker for my "Mid-tier Ultimate Frisbee Recruits for Obama" bumper sticker.

I don’t believe you! Ultimate is a fun and popular sport and the Rice teams have been good, but does Rice really have ultimate frisbee RECRUITS?

(10-26-2018 07:10 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(10-26-2018 06:45 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  I'm failing to understand how "lock him/her up," which is a call for our legal system to take action, translates into a call for illegal acts of violence. Lad, perhaps you can fill in some blanks there.

What is George Soros potentially guilty of?

Potentially? Treason, sedition, violation of campaign laws.

(10-26-2018 07:57 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(10-26-2018 07:10 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(10-26-2018 06:45 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  I'm failing to understand how "lock him/her up," which is a call for our legal system to take action, translates into a call for illegal acts of violence. Lad, perhaps you can fill in some blanks there.

What is George Soros potentially guilty of?

Potentially? Treason, sedition, violation of campaign laws.

I suggest you cut back on the right wing media. Do you also think he was involved with the Nazis?

This would be akin to trying to defend Nancy Pelosi screaming lock him up at Sheldon Adelson. That is similarly absurd, unproductive, and if done with enough frequency, dangerous.

I'm really surprised you think Trump encouraging the "Lock XXXX Up" chants isn't indicative of a politician who is not acting civil.

(10-26-2018 08:01 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  I suggest you cut back on the right wing media. Do you also think he was involved with the Nazis?
This would be akin to trying to defend Nancy Pelosi screaming lock him up at Sheldon Adelson. That is similarly absurd, unproductive, and if done with enough frequency, dangerous.
I'm really surprised you think Trump encouraging the "Lock XXXX Up" chants isn't indicative of a politician who is not acting civil.

You are putting a lot of words into my mouth that I did not say there. Let's unpack it a bit.

I think Soros's involvement with the Nazis was exactly as he describes it in his own words. As a Jewish child he pretended to be a Christian, and in the company of his benefactor he made the rounds when Jews were being rounded up and sent to die. I certainly don't think that at 14 he was going to be an SS agent as some have suggested. But it would appear, to me at least, that the experience gave him a fairly strong "ends justify the means" philosophical outlook.

To set the record straight, I don't know George Soros and have never met him. But a childhood friend was a former business partner of his for several years, they made billions (literally) together, and I have gotten some insight from him.

I don't have proof, because he is a very skillful and manipulative man surrounded be similarly skillful and manipulative people, and they have managed to keep the wagons circled--but if I were forced to bet I would come down on the side that he has engaged in numerous unethical if not illegal activities to push an agenda with which I am in full disagreement. I certainly don't think his activities could stand up to the kind of investigation that has been leveled at Donald Trump. And I do believe very strongly that we must apply the same rule with equal vigor to all.

I don't think I ever said anything to the effect that Trump was acting in a civil manner. To clarify, he's not. But I can't name any politician who is, not for a couple of decades. I did not say that "lock him/her up" was being civil. What I said was that I don't see calling for law enforcement to act within the legal system amounts to a call for unlawful activity. If you want to discuss that point, please do. IIRC I asked you to do so. But I have zero interest in defending straw men.

(10-26-2018 08:13 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(10-26-2018 08:01 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  I suggest you cut back on the right wing media. Do you also think he was involved with the Nazis?
This would be akin to trying to defend Nancy Pelosi screaming lock him up at Sheldon Adelson. That is similarly absurd, unproductive, and if done with enough frequency, dangerous.
I'm really surprised you think Trump encouraging the "Lock XXXX Up" chants isn't indicative of a politician who is not acting civil.

You are putting a lot of words into my mouth that I did not say there. Let's unpack it a bit.

I think Soros's involvement with the Nazis was exactly as he describes it in his own words. As a Jewish child he pretended to be a Christian, and in the company of his benefactor he made the rounds when Jews were being rounded up and sent to die. I certainly don't think that at 14 he was going to be an SS agent as some have suggested. But it would appear, to me at least, that the experience gave him a fairly strong "ends justify the means" philosophical outlook.

To set the record straight, I don't know George Soros and have never met him. But a childhood friend was a former business partner of his for several years, they made billions (literally) together, and I have gotten some insight from him.

I don't have proof, because he is a very skillful and manipulative man surrounded be similarly skillful and manipulative people, and they have managed to keep the wagons circled--but if I were forced to bet I would come down on the side that he has engaged in numerous unethical if not illegal activities to push an agenda with which I am in full disagreement. I certainly don't think his activities could stand up to the kind of investigation that has been leveled at Donald Trump. And I do believe very strongly that we must apply the same rule with equal vigor to all.

I don't think I ever said anything to the effect that Trump was acting in a civil manner. To clarify, he's not. But I can't name any politician who is, not for a couple of decades. I did not say that "lock him/her up" was being civil. What I said was that I don't see calling for law enforcement to act within the legal system amounts to a call for unlawful activity. If you want to discuss that point, please do. IIRC I asked you to do so. But I have zero interest in defending straw men.

Maybe you misread my post then. I was responding to a post that asked how I felt about Trump commenting on how we needed to return to civil discourse. I said that I would feel better if he practiced what he preached.

You responded to my post in a negative manner - so if you agreed with me, and my comments saying that Trump was speaking uncivily, why did you respond to my post on a negative manner?

(10-26-2018 05:53 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(10-26-2018 05:39 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  For guy who is so friggin' in tune with 'optics' on how anything happens with a person on the right, you sure are blind.

One could easily take your amazingly fast trigger on making sure the asshat's political affiliations are highlighted are in rather poor taste -- especially for one who continuously complains about loudmouths and optics. Just saying.....

Take it for whatever you find worthwhile.

So we should just avoid any proof of the guys absolute wackoness because it calls back to his political beliefs?

That van was batshit crazy - not because it showed he supported Trump, but because of how insane the stickers were (multiple showed cross hairs on politicians) and how many there were. If his van had similarly been covered with that many stickers for My Little Pony, or Phish, or anything, I would have said the exact same thing.

There is a reason I specifically didn't mention his politics - because his political leanings didn't inform how wacko that van was.

Sorry you got butt hurt and read way too into it and assumed something instead of asking why I posted the photo.

Lad, Im just calling out how your post kind of parallels CNN's chant of 'Trump caused it'. If not intentional so be it.

But ironically hypocritical for one who continuously screeches about 'bad optics' and one who strenuously goes out of their way to criticize Trump for *anything* in the frigging world that could be 'taken wrong'. Obviously you dont have that self-reflection there.

But, at the end of the day, if there is a way to blame Trump for anything and everything, there are clearly people who do their utmost to say Trump is the genesis of all bad in the world. Funny that.

As for the evil perniciousness of 'lock him up' -- good god you are calling *me* butthurt? I mean, at least have the brains to go after Trump for standing up for the Representative who body slammed the reporter. *That* is an example.

Complaining about 'lock him up' after that, after Holder's shitball comments, and after Clinton's shitball comments seems really stupid to me.

By the way Lad, want to take a guess on how many Republican candidates for state office and/or staffers have been literally physically assaulted in the last 6 weeks?

Also, in the two months from May to June, 30 Republican members of Congress were attacked or threatened.

Cory Booker, Nancy Pelosi, and Maxine Waters have all called for violence and harassment against Republicans. Run of the mill entertainers who identify as Democrat talk about killing the president. And not just Trump, either. All Republican presidents are the subject of assassination porn.

And pardon me, we have to disavow a call to 'lock him up' and mind our p's and q's because we might cause violence? God, this is truly gaslighting material.....

I truly was not going to make this an issue here, simply because this bloward who has his head in the sand didnt think the optics really helped, but it looks like it seemingly will become one shortly.

But, by god 'lock him up' is eeeevvvvviiiilllllll. Good friggin god. Kind of makes having someone call up your office and threaten to chop you and your family up with an axe (which *has happened* recently) look absolutely petty.......

By the way, and it was asked earlier: what do you think of Schumer and Pelosi telling Trump to jump into a lake re: his call for *everyone* pulling away from violent discourse? Helpful?

By the way, the calling of 'lock him up' for Soros is no better nor any worse than what mainstream Democrats (not just asshat antifa types) have been calling for both or either of the Koch brothers for twenty years. But that is your cry du jour of current true evilnesss..... interesting......

(10-26-2018 08:52 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(10-26-2018 08:13 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(10-26-2018 08:01 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  I suggest you cut back on the right wing media. Do you also think he was involved with the Nazis?
This would be akin to trying to defend Nancy Pelosi screaming lock him up at Sheldon Adelson. That is similarly absurd, unproductive, and if done with enough frequency, dangerous.
I'm really surprised you think Trump encouraging the "Lock XXXX Up" chants isn't indicative of a politician who is not acting civil.

You are putting a lot of words into my mouth that I did not say there. Let's unpack it a bit.
I think Soros's involvement with the Nazis was exactly as he describes it in his own words. As a Jewish child he pretended to be a Christian, and in the company of his benefactor he made the rounds when Jews were being rounded up and sent to die. I certainly don't think that at 14 he was going to be an SS agent as some have suggested. But it would appear, to me at least, that the experience gave him a fairly strong "ends justify the means" philosophical outlook.
To set the record straight, I don't know George Soros and have never met him. But a childhood friend was a former business partner of his for several years, they made billions (literally) together, and I have gotten some insight from him.
I don't have proof, because he is a very skillful and manipulative man surrounded be similarly skillful and manipulative people, and they have managed to keep the wagons circled--but if I were forced to bet I would come down on the side that he has engaged in numerous unethical if not illegal activities to push an agenda with which I am in full disagreement. I certainly don't think his activities could stand up to the kind of investigation that has been leveled at Donald Trump. And I do believe very strongly that we must apply the same rule with equal vigor to all.
I don't think I ever said anything to the effect that Trump was acting in a civil manner. To clarify, he's not. But I can't name any politician who is, not for a couple of decades. I did not say that "lock him/her up" was being civil. What I said was that I don't see calling for law enforcement to act within the legal system amounts to a call for unlawful activity. If you want to discuss that point, please do. IIRC I asked you to do so. But I have zero interest in defending straw men.

Maybe you misread my post then. I was responding to a post that asked how I felt about Trump commenting on how we needed to return to civil discourse. I said that I would feel better if he practiced what he preached.
You responded to my post in a negative manner - so if you agreed with me, and my comments saying that Trump was speaking uncivily, why did you respond to my post on a negative manner?

I'm thinking there is some confusion among the multiple posts flying back and forth on here.

I'm not quite sure how I responded to your post in a "negative manner." My recollection is that I asked a simple question, not necessarily responding to any post, specifically how did calling for legal action within the criminal justice system amount to a call for illegal assault or other acts of violence. That is still my question.

If you could just answer my question without all the other stuff, I would be grateful.

I don't see how speaking uncivilly is tantamount to calling for unlawful acts. Hell, our whole national political discourse has been pretty much uncivil for the past 2-3 years or more.

(10-26-2018 09:21 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(10-26-2018 05:53 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(10-26-2018 05:39 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  For guy who is so friggin' in tune with 'optics' on how anything happens with a person on the right, you sure are blind.

One could easily take your amazingly fast trigger on making sure the asshat's political affiliations are highlighted are in rather poor taste -- especially for one who continuously complains about loudmouths and optics. Just saying.....

Take it for whatever you find worthwhile.

So we should just avoid any proof of the guys absolute wackoness because it calls back to his political beliefs?

That van was batshit crazy - not because it showed he supported Trump, but because of how insane the stickers were (multiple showed cross hairs on politicians) and how many there were. If his van had similarly been covered with that many stickers for My Little Pony, or Phish, or anything, I would have said the exact same thing.

There is a reason I specifically didn't mention his politics - because his political leanings didn't inform how wacko that van was.

Sorry you got butt hurt and read way too into it and assumed something instead of asking why I posted the photo.

Lad, Im just calling out how your post kind of parallels CNN's chant of 'Trump caused it'. If not intentional so be it.

But ironically hypocritical for one who continuously screeches about 'bad optics' and one who strenuously goes out of their way to criticize Trump for *anything* in the frigging world that could be 'taken wrong'. Obviously you dont have that self-reflection there.

But, at the end of the day, if there is a way to blame Trump for anything and everything, there are clearly people who do their utmost to say Trump is the genesis of all bad in the world. Funny that.

As for the evil perniciousness of 'lock him up' -- good god you are calling *me* butthurt? I mean, at least have the brains to go after Trump for standing up for the Representative who body slammed the reporter. *That* is an example.

Complaining about 'lock him up' after that, after Holder's shitball comments, and after Clinton's shitball comments seems really stupid to me.

By the way Lad, want to take a guess on how many Republican candidates for state office and/or staffers have been literally physically assaulted in the last 6 weeks?

Also, in the two months from May to June, 30 Republican members of Congress were attacked or threatened.

I truly was not going to make this an issue here, simply because this bloward who has his head in the sand didnt think the optics really helped, but it looks like it seemingly will become one shortly.

But, by god 'lock him up' is eeeevvvvviiiilllllll. Good friggin god. Kind of makes having someone call up your office and threaten to chop you and your family up with an axe (which *has happened* recently) look absolutely petty.......

By the way, and it was asked earlier: what do you think of Schumer and Pelosi telling Trump to jump into a lake re: his call for *everyone* pulling away from violent discourse? Helpful?

By the way, the calling of 'lock him up' for Soros is no better nor any worse than what mainstream Democrats (not just asshat antifa types) have been calling for both or either of the Koch brothers for twenty years. But that is your cry du jour of current true evilnesss..... interesting......

You asked how I felt about Trump trying to call for civility to return to the fray. Do you think Trump encouraging people chanting "Lock Him Up" at George Soros is indicative of civil behavior?

Owl#s agrees with me that it isn't.

Are you arguing that it is?

And I responded to your question about Pelosi and Schumer. Scroll up a bit to read it.

(10-26-2018 09:52 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(10-26-2018 08:52 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(10-26-2018 08:13 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(10-26-2018 08:01 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  I suggest you cut back on the right wing media. Do you also think he was involved with the Nazis?
This would be akin to trying to defend Nancy Pelosi screaming lock him up at Sheldon Adelson. That is similarly absurd, unproductive, and if done with enough frequency, dangerous.
I'm really surprised you think Trump encouraging the "Lock XXXX Up" chants isn't indicative of a politician who is not acting civil.

You are putting a lot of words into my mouth that I did not say there. Let's unpack it a bit.
I think Soros's involvement with the Nazis was exactly as he describes it in his own words. As a Jewish child he pretended to be a Christian, and in the company of his benefactor he made the rounds when Jews were being rounded up and sent to die. I certainly don't think that at 14 he was going to be an SS agent as some have suggested. But it would appear, to me at least, that the experience gave him a fairly strong "ends justify the means" philosophical outlook.
To set the record straight, I don't know George Soros and have never met him. But a childhood friend was a former business partner of his for several years, they made billions (literally) together, and I have gotten some insight from him.
I don't have proof, because he is a very skillful and manipulative man surrounded be similarly skillful and manipulative people, and they have managed to keep the wagons circled--but if I were forced to bet I would come down on the side that he has engaged in numerous unethical if not illegal activities to push an agenda with which I am in full disagreement. I certainly don't think his activities could stand up to the kind of investigation that has been leveled at Donald Trump. And I do believe very strongly that we must apply the same rule with equal vigor to all.
I don't think I ever said anything to the effect that Trump was acting in a civil manner. To clarify, he's not. But I can't name any politician who is, not for a couple of decades. I did not say that "lock him/her up" was being civil. What I said was that I don't see calling for law enforcement to act within the legal system amounts to a call for unlawful activity. If you want to discuss that point, please do. IIRC I asked you to do so. But I have zero interest in defending straw men.

Maybe you misread my post then. I was responding to a post that asked how I felt about Trump commenting on how we needed to return to civil discourse. I said that I would feel better if he practiced what he preached.
You responded to my post in a negative manner - so if you agreed with me, and my comments saying that Trump was speaking uncivily, why did you respond to my post on a negative manner?

I'm thinking there is some confusion among the multiple posts flying back and forth on here.

I'm not quite sure how I responded to your post in a "negative manner." My recollection is that I asked a simple question, not necessarily responding to any post, specifically how did calling for legal action within the criminal justice system amount to a call for illegal assault or other acts of violence. That is still my question.

If you could just answer my question without all the other stuff, I would be grateful.

Why did you ask me that question? Did I say that calling for legal action within the justice system amounts to a call for violence?

Why would I answer a question that is not germane to my posts?

(10-26-2018 09:53 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(10-26-2018 09:21 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(10-26-2018 05:53 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(10-26-2018 05:39 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  For guy who is so friggin' in tune with 'optics' on how anything happens with a person on the right, you sure are blind.

One could easily take your amazingly fast trigger on making sure the asshat's political affiliations are highlighted are in rather poor taste -- especially for one who continuously complains about loudmouths and optics. Just saying.....

Take it for whatever you find worthwhile.

So we should just avoid any proof of the guys absolute wackoness because it calls back to his political beliefs?

That van was batshit crazy - not because it showed he supported Trump, but because of how insane the stickers were (multiple showed cross hairs on politicians) and how many there were. If his van had similarly been covered with that many stickers for My Little Pony, or Phish, or anything, I would have said the exact same thing.

There is a reason I specifically didn't mention his politics - because his political leanings didn't inform how wacko that van was.

Sorry you got butt hurt and read way too into it and assumed something instead of asking why I posted the photo.

Lad, Im just calling out how your post kind of parallels CNN's chant of 'Trump caused it'. If not intentional so be it.

But ironically hypocritical for one who continuously screeches about 'bad optics' and one who strenuously goes out of their way to criticize Trump for *anything* in the frigging world that could be 'taken wrong'. Obviously you dont have that self-reflection there.

But, at the end of the day, if there is a way to blame Trump for anything and everything, there are clearly people who do their utmost to say Trump is the genesis of all bad in the world. Funny that.

As for the evil perniciousness of 'lock him up' -- good god you are calling *me* butthurt? I mean, at least have the brains to go after Trump for standing up for the Representative who body slammed the reporter. *That* is an example.

Complaining about 'lock him up' after that, after Holder's shitball comments, and after Clinton's shitball comments seems really stupid to me.

By the way Lad, want to take a guess on how many Republican candidates for state office and/or staffers have been literally physically assaulted in the last 6 weeks?

Also, in the two months from May to June, 30 Republican members of Congress were attacked or threatened.

I truly was not going to make this an issue here, simply because this bloward who has his head in the sand didnt think the optics really helped, but it looks like it seemingly will become one shortly.

But, by god 'lock him up' is eeeevvvvviiiilllllll. Good friggin god. Kind of makes having someone call up your office and threaten to chop you and your family up with an axe (which *has happened* recently) look absolutely petty.......

By the way, and it was asked earlier: what do you think of Schumer and Pelosi telling Trump to jump into a lake re: his call for *everyone* pulling away from violent discourse? Helpful?

By the way, the calling of 'lock him up' for Soros is no better nor any worse than what mainstream Democrats (not just asshat antifa types) have been calling for both or either of the Koch brothers for twenty years. But that is your cry du jour of current true evilnesss..... interesting......

You asked how I felt about Trump trying to call for civility to return to the fray. Do you think Trump encouraging people chanting "Lock Him Up" at George Soros is indicative of civil behavior?

Owl#s agrees with me that it isn't.

Are you arguing that it is?

And I responded to your question about Pelosi and Schumer. Scroll up a bit to read it.

It isnt civil. Nor has the Democratic cry of the last twenty years to do the same thing to Charles or David Koch, mind you.

Equating 'lock him up' to the current batch of literal calls for violence is like trying to equate my nephew's 6 year birthday party to Fat Tuesday in Rio.

Especially when four republican candidates and/or staffers in state races have been physically assaulted in the last 7 weeks. Especially when 30 Republican members of Congress have been assaulted or threatened in a manner that required law enforcement intervention between May and August.

With that backdrop the complaint about 'lock him up' looks kind of petty and farcical, to be honest.

As I said, at least go after Trump for not disavowing the Montana Rep who body slammed the reporter. Trying to tie the violence and violent behavior to Trump through a chant of 'lock him up' directed towards a billionaire who is really known as an agent provocatuer and massive funding of protests is pretty fing farcical.

(10-26-2018 09:56 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  Why did you ask me that question? Did I say that calling for legal action within the justice system amounts to a call for violence?
Why would I answer a question that is not germane to my posts?

Since I wasn't asking you, or responding to your post, I don't see the relevance of whether or not you specifically said that. I've certainly heard from the MSM ad nauseam about how Trump incited the bomb attacks. My question was addressed to anyone who could and would answer it.

I don't know why you would answer. That would seem to be a question for you, not me.

I don't actually think you did answer, but if you'd care to then I would appreciate it.

No, I don't think Trump has remained civil. But I don't think anyone else has either. Certainly not Nancy Pelosi or Kamala Harris or Cory Booker or Chuck Schumer. Nor unfortunately do I expect any of them to return to civility any time soon. I don't see any JFKs or Reagans out there. Do you?

(10-26-2018 10:04 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(10-26-2018 09:53 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(10-26-2018 09:21 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(10-26-2018 05:53 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(10-26-2018 05:39 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  For guy who is so friggin' in tune with 'optics' on how anything happens with a person on the right, you sure are blind.

One could easily take your amazingly fast trigger on making sure the asshat's political affiliations are highlighted are in rather poor taste -- especially for one who continuously complains about loudmouths and optics. Just saying.....

Take it for whatever you find worthwhile.

So we should just avoid any proof of the guys absolute wackoness because it calls back to his political beliefs?

That van was batshit crazy - not because it showed he supported Trump, but because of how insane the stickers were (multiple showed cross hairs on politicians) and how many there were. If his van had similarly been covered with that many stickers for My Little Pony, or Phish, or anything, I would have said the exact same thing.

There is a reason I specifically didn't mention his politics - because his political leanings didn't inform how wacko that van was.

Sorry you got butt hurt and read way too into it and assumed something instead of asking why I posted the photo.

Lad, Im just calling out how your post kind of parallels CNN's chant of 'Trump caused it'. If not intentional so be it.

But ironically hypocritical for one who continuously screeches about 'bad optics' and one who strenuously goes out of their way to criticize Trump for *anything* in the frigging world that could be 'taken wrong'. Obviously you dont have that self-reflection there.

But, at the end of the day, if there is a way to blame Trump for anything and everything, there are clearly people who do their utmost to say Trump is the genesis of all bad in the world. Funny that.

As for the evil perniciousness of 'lock him up' -- good god you are calling *me* butthurt? I mean, at least have the brains to go after Trump for standing up for the Representative who body slammed the reporter. *That* is an example.

Complaining about 'lock him up' after that, after Holder's shitball comments, and after Clinton's shitball comments seems really stupid to me.

By the way Lad, want to take a guess on how many Republican candidates for state office and/or staffers have been literally physically assaulted in the last 6 weeks?

Also, in the two months from May to June, 30 Republican members of Congress were attacked or threatened.

I truly was not going to make this an issue here, simply because this bloward who has his head in the sand didnt think the optics really helped, but it looks like it seemingly will become one shortly.

But, by god 'lock him up' is eeeevvvvviiiilllllll. Good friggin god. Kind of makes having someone call up your office and threaten to chop you and your family up with an axe (which *has happened* recently) look absolutely petty.......

By the way, and it was asked earlier: what do you think of Schumer and Pelosi telling Trump to jump into a lake re: his call for *everyone* pulling away from violent discourse? Helpful?

By the way, the calling of 'lock him up' for Soros is no better nor any worse than what mainstream Democrats (not just asshat antifa types) have been calling for both or either of the Koch brothers for twenty years. But that is your cry du jour of current true evilnesss..... interesting......

You asked how I felt about Trump trying to call for civility to return to the fray. Do you think Trump encouraging people chanting "Lock Him Up" at George Soros is indicative of civil behavior?

Owl#s agrees with me that it isn't.

Are you arguing that it is?

And I responded to your question about Pelosi and Schumer. Scroll up a bit to read it.

It isnt civil. Nor has the Democratic cry of the last twenty years to do the same thing to Charles or David Koch, mind you.

Equating 'lock him up' to the current batch of literal calls for violence is like trying to equate my nephew's 6 year birthday party to Fat Tuesday in Rio.

As I said, at least go after Trump for not disavowing the Montana Rep who body slammed the reporter. Trying to tie the violence and violent behavior to Trump through a chant of 'lock him up' directed towards a billionaire who is really known as an agent provocatuer and massive funding of protests is pretty fing farcical.

You asked me how I felt about Trump's call for civility. I said it would be good if he practiced what he preached regarding civility.

You're stretching my words to fit the narrative you want.

(10-26-2018 10:06 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(10-26-2018 09:56 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  Why did you ask me that question? Did I say that calling for legal action within the justice system amounts to a call for violence?
Why would I answer a question that is not germane to my posts?

Since I wasn't asking you, or responding to your post, I don't see the relevance of whether or not you specifically said that. I've certainly heard from the MSM ad nauseam about how Trump incited the bomb attacks. My question was addressed to anyone who could answer it. I don't know why you would answer. That would seem to be a question for you, not me. I don't actually think you did answer, but if you'd care to then I would appreciate it.

No i don't think Trump has remained civil. But I don't think anyone else has either. Certainly not Nancy Pelosi or Kamala Harris or Cory Booker or Chuck Schumer. Nor unfortunately do I expect any of them to return to civility any time soon. I don't see any JFKs or Reagans out there. Do you?

Wait, what? You weren't asking me? Then why did you literally write (look for the bold):

Quote:I'm failing to understand how "lock him/her up," which is a call for our legal system to take action, translates into a call for illegal acts of violence. Lad, perhaps you can fill in some blanks there.

That seems to pretty clearly be responding to my post (which was immediately posted above your comment/question) and asking me to respond to your question by filling in the blanks.

And I agree that I don't see anyone outside of Beto incessantly beating the drum of bipartisanship and civility right now on the Dem side (I've brought this up before). That's why I said this to Tanq:

Quote:edit: and to touch on the Dem response, I'd feel a heck of a lot better if they didn't respond in the way they did. I agree with what they say about Trump's words ringing hollow (see example posted above), but to be honest, I'd rather they be the adults in the room and just ignore Trump at this point.

People are sick and tired of the absolute partisan bickering, name-calling, blame-laying, etc. from everyone involved. Both sides just want to score points with their base and it pretty much sucks. I'm hoping we see a lot more positively focused campaigns in the future like Beto's, and far less mud-slinging like the Desantos-Gillam disaster in Florida.

(10-26-2018 10:16 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(10-26-2018 10:06 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(10-26-2018 09:56 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  Why did you ask me that question? Did I say that calling for legal action within the justice system amounts to a call for violence?
Why would I answer a question that is not germane to my posts?

Since I wasn't asking you, or responding to your post, I don't see the relevance of whether or not you specifically said that. I've certainly heard from the MSM ad nauseam about how Trump incited the bomb attacks. My question was addressed to anyone who could answer it. I don't know why you would answer. That would seem to be a question for you, not me. I don't actually think you did answer, but if you'd care to then I would appreciate it.
No i don't think Trump has remained civil. But I don't think anyone else has either. Certainly not Nancy Pelosi or Kamala Harris or Cory Booker or Chuck Schumer. Nor unfortunately do I expect any of them to return to civility any time soon. I don't see any JFKs or Reagans out there. Do you?

Wait, what? You weren't asking me? Then why did you literally write (look for the bold):

Quote:I'm failing to understand how "lock him/her up," which is a call for our legal system to take action, translates into a call for illegal acts of violence. Lad, perhaps you can fill in some blanks there.

That seems to pretty clearly be responding to my post (which was immediately posted above your comment/question) and asking me to respond to your question by filling in the blanks.
And I agree that I don't see anyone outside of Beto incessantly beating the drum of bipartisanship and civility right now on the Dem side (I've brought this up before). That's why I said this to Tanq:

Quote:edit: and to touch on the Dem response, I'd feel a heck of a lot better if they didn't respond in the way they did. I agree with what they say about Trump's words ringing hollow (see example posted above), but to be honest, I'd rather they be the adults in the room and just ignore Trump at this point.

People are sick and tired of the absolute partisan bickering, name-calling, blame-laying, etc. from everyone involved. Both sides just want to score points with their base and it pretty much sucks. I'm hoping we see a lot more positively focused campaigns in the future like Beto's, and far less mud-slinging like the Desantos-Gillam disaster in Florida.

As you noted, my question wasn't responding to anything you posted. I didn't quote anything you wrote. I merely asked a generic question. The part you bolded was just because you were the person who seemed active at the time.

If you want to answer my question, answer it. If you don't don't. But for the love of all that is holy, do we have to keep going through all this? You seemed to pick up that my question was not related to the discussion you were having with, IIRC, tanq and/or OO. It wasn't. It was an independent effort to find someone who could explain something. If you can't or don't want to, then don't.

As far as Robert O'Rourke, somebody who voted with Nancy Pelosi over 90% of the time is not going to be bipartisan, and he is lying to make such a claim. He's running an identity politics campaign because his issue positions don't set well with a majority of Texans, including me. Cruz has run a godawful campaign by not making it about issues, almost Claytie Williams bad. If a toothy grin with no substance is what you consider to be a positive campaign, then I suppose that's your right. But I'd really like for you to give me one good reason why I should have voted for O'Rourke.