RiceLad15
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RE: Trump Administration
(07-18-2018 12:40 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote: (07-17-2018 11:08 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote: (07-17-2018 10:47 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote: (07-17-2018 10:12 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote: (07-17-2018 09:38 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote: Do we have evidence that that ONLY Russia was involved in election interference? Or is that just another opinion presented as fact?
What would it matter if others were involved? Or were not?
Your comment suggests there's reason to believe that non-Russian related outside actors were involved in the operations that focused on influencing the 2016 election. We know that these activities happened, and all the evidence that has been released points to Russia being the actor behind the activities. You're using a lack of evidence to suggest that there may be evidence out there.
That logical leap is gigantic. But I guess after the birther issue, I shouldn't be surprised that Trump, and many of his followers, do not need actual evidence to try and push a narrative.
Your defense is akin to me saying the moon is made of cheese because we don't have evidence that there isn't some cheese on the moon.
Why do you insinuate that I am a birther? Is that necessary to push your narrative?
speaking of not needing actual evidence to push a narrative, have you heard of the collusion theory? And speaking of narratives, what is the collusion narrative?
I have heard many people here and elsewhere say lots of countries meddle in elections, including us. Is that not enough t say there may be others?
No need for the sly character assassination. Just tell us why no other countries could possibly have done anything. Only Russia, and only with Trump.
Didn’t mean to insinuate you fell for the birther lie - unfortunately, plenty of other Trump defenders fell for that nonsense, and Trump was pretty much the source of it.
And regarding collusion, there is enough evidence to suggest the Trump campaign may have collided with Russia. The fact that Trump Jr took a meeting with the explicit hope that he would receive dirt on Clinton is enough evidence to justify an investigation into the campaign’s involvement. That meeting was not about adoptions as the campaign multiple times tried to cover up and obscure (another piece of evidence justifying the investigation). And then there is the Trump campaign changing the party’s platform on Ukraine...
Remember, the investigation is looking at the entire campaign, not just Trump himself as you often like to suggest.
You seem to have fallen for something yourself.
Explain to me, why does the search for dirt imply collusion? And why do you think the democrats eschewed searching for dirt, when they paid for the Steele dossier? The inanity of this line of attack astounds me.
Of course the democrats look for dirt. All politicians look for their opponents problems. Who told you that the democrats were pure?
The Democrats are still looking for dirt, to this minute And only three years after they started, they have precious little.
The birther thing was stupid. The child of an american citizen is an American citizen regardless of where they are born, so kenya, Indonesia, Hawaii, the North Pole, New Zealand, it didn't matter. About as stupid as the collusion conspiracy theory you believe in, especially if you are basing it off a 15 minute meeting that resulted in Jr. walking out. Where is the "working together" that collusion means?
Birther conspiracy theory = collusion conspiracy theory
As for Trump being the source of it, I went to wikipedia to see if they could pinpoint the originators, and got this:
From the start of March 2008, rumors that Obama was born in Kenya before being flown to Hawaii were spread on conservative websites, with the suggestion that this would disqualify Obama from the presidency. In April of that year, anonymous e-mails from supporters of Hillary Clinton repeated the same rumor,[31] including a Clinton Iowa campaign worker, who was fired for sending the e-mail.[32][33] These and numerous other chain e-mails during the subsequent presidential election circulated false rumors about Obama's origin, religion, and birth certificate.[34][35]
On June 9, 2008, Jim Geraghty of the conservative website National Review Online suggested that Obama release his birth certificate.[36][37] Geraghty wrote that releasing his birth certificate could debunk several false rumors circulating on the Internet, namely: that his middle name was originally Muhammad rather than Hussein; that his mother had originally named him "Barry" rather than "Barack"; and that Barack Obama Sr. was not his biological father, as well as the rumor that Barack Obama was not a natural-born citizen.[37][38][39]
In August 2008, Philip J. Berg, a former member of the Democratic State Committee of Pennsylvania, brought an unsuccessful lawsuit against Obama, which alleged "that Obama was born in Mombasa, Kenya."[40][41]
In October 2008, an NPR article referred to "Kenyan-born Sen. Barack Obama.
so Democrats and NPR, as well as others in the full spectrum of left to right were involved. I am sure Trump will be pleased you gave him sole credit.
Yet another presentation of opinion as fact.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Oba...y_theories
Did you skip the entire section on Wikipedia labeled Donald Trump? I never said Trump was the only person who pushed this theory - Trump however, especially later in the lifetime of this conspiracy theory - was one of, if not the, most vocal proponents of this crazy theory.
Are you refuting that claim? Or just pointing out that other people fell for the same, insane theory?
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