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More to the buyout than 4 times
WV leaving 3yrs early, WV leaving effects thier TV contract
WV gonna effect atten, WV is allsports
02-23-2012 03:15 PM
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(02-23-2012 03:15 PM)templefootballfan Wrote:  More to the buyout than 4 times
WV leaving 3yrs early, WV leaving effects thier TV contract
WV gonna effect atten, WV is allsports

1) Temples buy was priced for their participation in the conference
2) WVU's buyout was priced for their participation in the conference
02-23-2012 03:26 PM
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(02-23-2012 09:19 AM)RecoveringHillbilly Wrote:  
(02-23-2012 08:33 AM)uakronkid Wrote:  
(02-23-2012 08:29 AM)Rocket75 Wrote:  The reports I have read say Temple might have to pay $5 million to pull out immediately, That is a big hunk of change.

It's chump change in the world of D-I football.

Depends on what part of that world it's happening. WVU needed a $10M loan from the Big12 to complete the $20M exit fee, which at that level of AQ was doable. Boise needed a $10M loan from the nBE, and they couldn't pull it off. $5M for Temple plus their A-10 penaly collected from various sources is easier but certainly not chump change.

Remember, $1M of that $10M loan came from WVU.
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Here is my opinion. Temple will not join the MAC for all sports in the forseeable future. If they want to take their football program to the Big East, that is fine. Let them go, but get as much money as possible. Set an amount and stick to it. $10 million, $20 million, whatever. If you put a little gasoline on the bridge, so be it.
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Damages are awarded for breaking contract
that why they bring in a mediator to neg settlement
MAC will only get what they can prove in the next 2yrs that Temple cost them
buy leaving early.
1st thing that would be looked at is TV contract
the rest is dollar & cents
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Which according to most of the comments on this board shouldn't be too much since we didn't bring much in to the conference as far as TV

(02-23-2012 03:42 PM)templefootballfan Wrote:  Damages are awarded for breaking contract
that why they bring in a mediator to neg settlement
MAC will only get what they can prove in the next 2yrs that Temple cost them
buy leaving early.
1st thing that would be looked at is TV contract
the rest is dollar & cents
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Temple at the very least owes us the buyout. Any damages for breaking the contract early will be on top of that.
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I agree, 2.5 plus is owed MAC
10 to 20 million is insane & that not how it works

enjoyed the MAC
but for 5 yrs, poster claimed Temple not worth it
now they want 20 million to go out the door
you can't have both ways
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That's $2.5 mil with the 2 years notice; getting $10-20 mil isn't likely, but somewhere in the ballpark of $5 mil should be.
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(02-23-2012 04:09 PM)Polish Hammer Wrote:  That's $2.5 mil with the 2 years notice; getting $10-20 mil isn't likely, but somewhere in the ballpark of $5 mil should be.

Let's just keep Temple and let the BE play short a team this year (with a NCAA BCS Bowl waiver). 03-idea
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No way the NCAA allows that. With the current state of the Big LEast they aren't up to snuff to guaranteeing them a BCS spot, so why the freebie waiver? They're scurrying to fill the conference just to maintain what they have.
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Hammer, you gonna come down & see Boise St
hoagies, hienken, & BE FB - you can't beat it
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I know that the numbers I threw out there were assanine. I am just saying pick a number, stick to it. Don't negotiate down. Temple needs out, the MAC doesn't need to let Temple leave. For once when operating from a position of strength, the MAC needs to act like it, not act like they are behind the eight ball.
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(02-23-2012 04:07 PM)templefootballfan Wrote:  I agree, 2.5 plus is owed MAC
10 to 20 million is insane & that not how it works

enjoyed the MAC
but for 5 yrs, poster claimed Temple not worth it
now they want 20 million to go out the door
you can't have both ways

They don't want all that money because Temple is "worth it" they want it to pay for the cost and trouble it causes when they leave on such short notice.
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If Temple does leave, they should pay the $2.5M and leave after the 2012 season. It's far too late to re-schedule across the league.

Also, it gives Temple one last chance to win something. Thus far, no MACC game and no MAC championship to date.

Always knew this was short term - makes me wonder how long UMass will be a part of the MAC.
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(02-23-2012 09:20 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  That's only 380K per remaining school. Certainly useful, but not exactly a windfall.

If Temple University gets $5 million poorer, and each MAC member gets $380k richer, that's a good day. Grab a Schlitz and celebrate.
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(02-23-2012 06:08 PM)Nick in Cleveland Wrote:  If Temple does leave, they should pay the $2.5M and leave after the 2012 season. It's far too late to re-schedule across the league.

Also, it gives Temple one last chance to win something. Thus far, no MACC game and no MAC championship to date.

Always knew this was short term - makes me wonder how long UMass will be a part of the MAC.

UMass will likely want to get out of the MAC ASAP only having a 500k buyout. There is no point in being in the football conference without Temple and the alliance will likely allow them to go football only (the proposed option for Temple)

Who knows what the MAC will do with further expansion and may require UMass to resign for a larger buyout ASAP.
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(02-23-2012 01:12 PM)Owls Head Wrote:  
(02-23-2012 12:40 PM)Miami (Oh) Yeah ! Wrote:  As others have stated if Boise could come early (or anybody else but Boise was mentioned), then none of this would be happening at least for this season. Boise sounded interested but in the end said it didn't make fiscal sense as the Big East was not gonna help them pay their MWC buyout. If they wouldn't help Boise, why would they help Temple?

One word: basketball

Temple has it, Boise doesn't plus, Boise is football only, Temple would be all sports

Yes, but football is what is driving all this. Boise football is a huge get for them. That's the only legitimate program they have even added during all of this. UCF, SMU, and SDSU aren't even close to touching Boise football.

I think the reason the Big East didn't help Boise is because Cincy, USF, Louisville, Rutgers, and UConn want out of the BE now that Pitt, Syracuse, and WVU are leaving so they aren't willing to give money to a new conference member when they would rather keep that money and use it to buy their way out of the conference. Why would they want to be in a conference with UCF, SMU, and SDSU? SMU and SDSU football aren't even good programs and UCF has a good season every now and then.
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(02-23-2012 03:42 PM)templefootballfan Wrote:  1st thing that would be looked at is TV contract
the rest is dollar & cents

(02-23-2012 03:48 PM)TUJim Wrote:  Which according to most of the comments on this board shouldn't be too much since we didn't bring much in to the conference as far as TV

Probably right, from what i understand the MAC tv contract with ESPN is still chump change ($2 million per year?) and i don't think it went up much with the addition of Temple. It probably only went up so far as to keep everyone's share even or add a little to it from the previous contract with 12 members.
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(02-23-2012 07:08 PM)Louis Kitton Wrote:  
(02-23-2012 06:08 PM)Nick in Cleveland Wrote:  If Temple does leave, they should pay the $2.5M and leave after the 2012 season. It's far too late to re-schedule across the league.

Also, it gives Temple one last chance to win something. Thus far, no MACC game and no MAC championship to date.

Always knew this was short term - makes me wonder how long UMass will be a part of the MAC.

UMass will likely want to get out of the MAC ASAP only having a 500k buyout. There is no point in being in the football conference without Temple and the alliance will likely allow them to go football only (the proposed option for Temple)

Who knows what the MAC will do with further expansion and may require UMass to resign for a larger buyout ASAP.

Actually, i think UMass will want to stay. UMass joined knowing Temple could potentially leave and that most of the MAC members they would be playing are not on the East coast.

UMass has nowhere else to go since most conferences aren't willing to do football-only memberships. Only reason BE is doing it is because they are struggling to survive.
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