(02-21-2012 04:06 PM)bearcatfan Wrote:  UConn is going to get preferential treatment since they won it all last year, and because of their 'name' value. So they keep getting penciled into the tournament despite their on court performance.

Their wins and their SOS are a bigger deal that what happened last year. Teams have been left out before after really good years. If I remember correctly Syracuse was left out the year after their national championship.

What you did last year always helps. I think the name value of UConn and VCU will help them get in. After the fight, Cincinnati could make for an interesting story; however, ESPN might want that story to play out in the NIT.

If UC wins two more games, I'll be happy because thats where this team's talent should have them at in the conference. If its NIT, I hope we never schedule like we did again.

(02-21-2012 04:13 PM)bearcatlawjd Wrote:  If UC wins two more games, I'll be happy because thats where this team's talent should have them at in the conference. If its NIT, I hope we never schedule like we did again.

If UC misses the tournament whoever is responsible for the schedule, either AD or coach, has to take responsiblity. We should NEVER be in a position where 10 BE wins isn't good enough to be an NCAA team.

(02-21-2012 04:33 PM)RealDeal Wrote:  

(02-21-2012 04:13 PM)bearcatlawjd Wrote:  If UC wins two more games, I'll be happy because thats where this team's talent should have them at in the conference. If its NIT, I hope we never schedule like we did again.

If UC misses the tournament whoever is responsible for the schedule, either AD or coach, has to take responsiblity. We should NEVER be in a position where 10 BE wins isn't good enough to be an NCAA team.

Regardless the schedule needs to improve and I believe we have an AD in place now that understands that spending the money for the better buy games can only help the basketball team down the line and make it easier to make the NCAAs and we will spend the money to improve the schedule. I think Thomas was too worried about the budget while Whit will find the money to make this happen.

(02-21-2012 03:03 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  Palm was the only major projector that I followed last year that had the field 100% right. Palm does not merely look at the RPI number as the determining factor and it is silly to say he does.

Palm missed 2 last year.

I think this type of scheduling went out the door with M Thomas

So tired of hearing about how bad the out of conference schedule is... Nothing has been beaten to death as bad as that this year - not even the fight. It is simply a $ issue.

Cincinnati is #37 in KenPom, #46 in the Massey Ratings and #42 in the Sagarin.

our OOC sched wouldn't be such a big deal if we had beaten friggen Presby and marshall....that's a fact

(02-21-2012 05:11 PM)cincy11 Wrote:  So tired of hearing about how bad the out of conference schedule is... Nothing has been beaten to death as bad as that this year - not even the fight. It is simply a $ issue.

If it keeps UC out of the NCAA tournament it's an even bigger $ issue - potential lost $.

(02-21-2012 05:11 PM)cincy11 Wrote:  So tired of hearing about how bad the out of conference schedule is... Nothing has been beaten to death as bad as that this year - not even the fight. It is simply a $ issue.

:ncaabbs::ncaabbs::ncaabbs::ncaabbs::ncaabbs::ncaabbs:

(02-28-2012 11:05 AM)Ragpicker Wrote:  

(02-21-2012 05:11 PM)cincy11 Wrote:  So tired of hearing about how bad the out of conference schedule is... Nothing has been beaten to death as bad as that this year - not even the fight. It is simply a $ issue.

:ncaabbs::ncaabbs::ncaabbs::ncaabbs::ncaabbs::ncaabbs:

1. It's not just a $ issue or there would not be a number of teams behind us with significantly better non-conference SOS's that spend less than us (see Seton Hall).
2. It's a lack of creativity issue and a failure to understand smart scheduling issue.
3. Even if you disagree with that, if you read threads about RPI, and bubble talk SOS is inevitably going to come up because it has to when you discuss if UC will make the tournament, where they will be seeded, what they need to do to move up, to play themselves out..etc. SOS is a criteria, it is part of our resume so if you are tired of hearing about it don't read threads where it has to be talked about.

Hypothetical: Had we not lost to Presby and Marshall, would we be a lock now?

(02-28-2012 01:15 PM)WarningSigns Wrote:  Hypothetical: Had we not lost to Presby and Marshall, would we be a lock now?

Yes. Probably as a 7-9 seed. The OOC schedule was still terrible, but at least they wouldn't have lost (outside of Xavier).

The better question is, if they had the same record but with a 122 OOC instead of a 322, could they be as highly seeded as Louisville (who is a 5 in the latest projections)?

(02-21-2012 04:33 PM)RealDeal Wrote:  

(02-21-2012 04:13 PM)bearcatlawjd Wrote:  If UC wins two more games, I'll be happy because thats where this team's talent should have them at in the conference. If its NIT, I hope we never schedule like we did again.

If UC misses the tournament whoever is responsible for the schedule, either AD or coach, has to take responsiblity. We should NEVER be in a position where 10 BE wins isn't good enough to be an NCAA team.

Amen.

10 wins in the Big East and not making the NCAA Tournament = no excuses. Whoever is to blame should step up.

Guessing if we get left out due to SOS schedule the blame will be put on MT and the tight budget as he can't really defend himself. Easy scapegoat although we all now others had to sign off on that schedule too.

(02-28-2012 01:15 PM)WarningSigns Wrote:  Hypothetical: Had we not lost to Presby and Marshall, would we be a lock now?

The one that sticks with me is that OT loss to WVU. That one goes the other way we are a lock now

(02-28-2012 02:28 PM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  Guessing if we get left out due to SOS schedule the blame will be put on MT and the tight budget as he can't really defend himself. Easy scapegoat although we all now others had to sign off on that schedule too.

Like the coach. AD's don't schedule by themselves. I'm a MC fan but he has publicly defended the light scheduling as part of working out the kinks for the BE schedule.

Problem is, this isn't SEC football--and light scheduling actually matters. It gives us no wiggle room in conference play, which is always brutal. I'm thinking Mick and Whit will make sure this isn't a such a drastic issue in the future.

(02-28-2012 01:15 PM)WarningSigns Wrote:  Hypothetical: Had we not lost to Presby and Marshall, would we be a lock now?

Yes. UC's problem is they scheduled a horrid non-conference and then proceeded to loss games they shouldn't have.

(02-28-2012 12:48 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  

(02-28-2012 11:05 AM)Ragpicker Wrote:  

(02-21-2012 05:11 PM)cincy11 Wrote:  So tired of hearing about how bad the out of conference schedule is... Nothing has been beaten to death as bad as that this year - not even the fight. It is simply a $ issue.

:ncaabbs::ncaabbs::ncaabbs::ncaabbs::ncaabbs::ncaabbs:

1. It's not just a $ issue or there would not be a number of teams behind us with significantly better non-conference SOS's that spend less than us (see Seton Hall).
2. It's a lack of creativity issue and a failure to understand smart scheduling issue.
3. Even if you disagree with that, if you read threads about RPI, and bubble talk SOS is inevitably going to come up because it has to when you discuss if UC will make the tournament, where they will be seeded, what they need to do to move up, to play themselves out..etc. SOS is a criteria, it is part of our resume so if you are tired of hearing about it don't read threads where it has to be talked about.

1. Is there a comparison of what BE schools specifically spend on OOC schedule?

Just ask around other programs, especially minor sports, at UC, both players and coaches that you may know. They will tell you that things have changed dramatically with what is spent on their program. Better travelling conditions and more funds for recruiting is what I have heard.

Mick + MT = poor OOC schedule
Mick + Whit = good OOC schedule (from what we have seen and heard so far)

And the one variable is........