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Deep Blue
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Post: #21
 
Duhon himself says he's on the 3 year plan and thinking about going pro and that's extremely significant at this stage. History shows that players who eventually go pro almost never talk about it before they drop out, usually denying any plans to do so. Duhon isn't very scholastic or wealthy, 19 ACT which is like 900 SAT, most ballers don't come from money and we probably would have heard about it if his parents had it like Dunleavy or Shane or Grant, etc. The only top pick in recent years who didn't drop out was Tim Duncan who was a swimmer from the Caribbean where attitudes about money and education are probably much different than in the kinds of places where college ballers come from. Jason Williams left after 3 years, and his mother is a high school guidance counselor with two masters degrees who was extremely concerned about education, setting a good example, and Jay Will being a role model, and his father is one of ten siblings all of whom graduated college. Did Duhon's parents even go to college or did he even grow up in a suburb like Jay Will or Dunleavy, we keep hearing about his mother but does he even know his father? Seems like a similar situation as many Duke players who dropped out, except Brand had an 1100+. If Duhon can graduate in 3 years like JayWill or 3.5 years like Dunleavy or Boozer, and has far less money than Dunleavy and much higher pick than Boozer, why on earth should or would he stay? JayWill acted like it was a huge favor coming back for his 3rd year, what reason would Duhon have for coming back for an unnecessary fourth if he puts in 3 years, graduates, and is a top 4 pick?

Jacobsen led his team in assists as well as points and was third in rebounding playing SG and was Stanford's best player leading the team in minutes and scoring from day one. Dunleavy was terrible by comparison for 2 years, not even making third team all ACC as a sophomore even though that was much better than his lame freshman year, and in his third year finally climbed to third best on the team. Dunleavy had 2.1 apg to Jacobsen's 3.6, so Casey passed almost twice as much even though his teammates weren't nearly as talented as Mike's. Dunleavy had mediocre or terrible NCAA performances throughout his career, the one time he had a Jacobsen-like game was when he had 21 points on 8-17 FG, 0-1 FT, 3 reb, 0 ast, 3 fouls, against Arizona and that was only because AZ was totally ignoring him and leaving him wide open based on his proven tendency to brick wide open shots, as opposed to every Stanford opponent designing their whole defense around Jacobsen who nonetheless shot a far higher percentage. In the AZ game, Battier's 18 pts on 7-14 FG, 3-6 FT, 11 rebs, 6 asts, 2 blks, 1 foul, was far more valuble. Jacobsen dominated Dunleavy at every level, HS, college, pros, when matched up or overall. K turned down Jacobsen, ignored Bob Gibbons #1 national player Matt Bonner who had a 1400+ SAT and freakish stats, then offered Horvath who was 3rd team all Minneapolis and waited months for Dunleavy, when he could have had Jacobsen, Bonner, and Dunleavy. So he took Horvath who everyone knew would be a benchwarmer over Jacobsen and others. Since Duke narrowly lost to finalists Florida and Indiana with Dunleavy having horrible performances 4 pts on 1-4 FG, 0 asts, 4 TOs, against UF, and 5-16 FG and literally no defense whatsoever against IU, Jacobsen almost certainly would have won those games and probably 3 or 4 national titles for Duke.

How good would Duke have been in 99 with its only PG suspended for academics? Why did it lose to a far less talented UCONN team in the biggest final game upset ever? The fact that Avery and Langdon couldn't play defense was obviously one big reason. Duke needed another PG, and every team needs more than 9 scholarship players, K knew that yet he only recruited Maggette who took money from Piggie and may have wiped out that whole season before going pro as a freshman.

K has had only 1 PG in the past, and will probably have just 1 mediocre PG in the future, he doesn't care about the possibility of injury or academic troubles even though the latter is extremely likely. Why is this happening, why does he recruit 6 big men in 2 years and bench whoever doesn't work out, yet treats past, present, and future PGs like family, future assistants, players whose PT and future prospects must be jealously protected at the expense of the team and fans and university?

<small>[ August 21, 2002, 05:00 PM: Message edited by: Deep Blue ]</small>
08-21-2002 03:37 PM
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Big Pimpin Deac
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Post: #22
 
He thought if he changed his name, we wouldn't recognize him. <img border="0" alt="[laugh]" title="" src="graemlins/laughing.gif" />
08-21-2002 03:54 PM
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Deep Blue
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Post: #23
 
With Ebi gone and Deng reportedly favoring Missouri and Indiana, maybe Duke will only get 1 PF instead of 3. K should recruit a senior PG like Shakur or Paul.
10-14-2002 11:32 PM
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Big Pimpin Deac
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Hey Deep Golden Eagle,

Paul is going to Wake and Shakur is going to Arizona, dipsh*t.
10-15-2002 07:42 AM
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Liquid Karma
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Big Pimpin Deac:
Hey Deep Golden Eagle,

Paul is going to Wake and Shakur is going to Arizona, dipsh*t.</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">ROTFLMFAO!
10-15-2002 10:02 AM
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T-Monay820
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Post: #26
 
[QUOTE]2005-2006 - Dockery, Nelson, Nate Jones
Nate, you aren't even trying out for the school team this year. How do you expect people to recruit you if all you play is Rec ball with me?

Sorry, a little off topic.

Please continue on your discussion to prove Blue Devil is a complete idiot...
10-22-2002 08:55 PM
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hoops13
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Post: #27
 
It should be interesting watching Dockery battle Duhon for time. From what I am hearing, Duhon is not as good as advertised.
10-24-2002 08:34 AM
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nate jonesacc
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hoops13 Wrote:It should be interesting watching Dockery battle Duhon for time. From what I am hearing, Duhon is not as good as advertised.
Dude, Duhon averaged 10 ppg, 3 rpg, 6 apg and 2 spg last year. You know he is gonna be just as good as advertised. You even admitted it to me.
10-24-2002 03:24 PM
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hoops13
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Post: #29
 
I think that we will see this year that Jason Williams made Duhon look much better than he was.
10-24-2002 05:16 PM
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nate jonesacc
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hoops13 Wrote:I think that we will see this year that Jason Williams made Duhon look much better than he was.
It's the exact opposite dumbman.
10-24-2002 05:34 PM
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hoops13
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Jones will be Duke's best player/leader this year.....not Duhon.
10-24-2002 06:33 PM
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nate jonesacc
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hoops13 Wrote:Jones will be Duke's best player/leader this year.....not Duhon.
You'll see.

Duhon - 15 PPG 8 APG
Jones - 18 PPG 5 RPG
Ewing - 16 PPG 3 APG
Redick - 8 PPG
Shav - 13 PPG 5 RPG
Shelden - 8 PPG 6 RPG
Dock - 3 PPG 5 APG
Thompson - 2 PPG 4 RPG
Horvath - 6 PPG 3 RPG
Melch - 2 PPG 1 RPG

93 PPG sounds about right
10-25-2002 09:55 AM
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hoops13
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Post: #33
 
Well UNC will easily be able to beat Duke if your frontcourt starters (Thompson, Shav) only combine for 15 points a game.

May and Jawad will probably combine for about 15-25 points a game.
10-25-2002 11:14 AM
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nate jonesacc
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hoops13 Wrote:Well UNC will easily be able to beat Duke if your frontcourt starters (Thompson, Shav) only combine for 15 points a game.

May and Jawad will probably combine for about 15-25 points a game.
WTF? Where did anyone say that Thompson would start?

Shav and Shelden will start with Ewing, Duhon and Jones.

That makes 21 frontcourt points for Duke's starters.

Oh, and another thing, we have something called depth this year.

Please, try to find some with UNC's 6 man deep team this year.
10-25-2002 12:50 PM
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hoops13
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Post: #35
 
nate jonesacc Wrote:WTF? Where did anyone say that Thompson would start?

Please, try to find some with UNC's 6 man deep team this year.
Yeah you're right, Thompson probably won't start.

Anyways, UNC will be more than 6 deep:
These guys will play most of the minutes:
Felton
McCants
May
Williams
Scott
Manual


But these guys will get some time, and one of them will surprise MANY:
Noel, Grant

These guys will play sparingly:
Holmes, Johnson, Sanders

I'd say that we are about 8 deep.
10-26-2002 09:13 AM
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Deep Blue
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Post: #36
 
Now Duke womens basketball is ignoring PG recruits. Why is G recruiting 3 post players as the only recruits this year, when the incoming freshman class already has 2 star centers and sophomore Whitley is also a center, not to mention 6'4" Tillis? After landing #1 ranked Hunter, does Duke really need to go after 2 more centers instead of a PG? Duke's PG situation is very shaky. 5'5" junior Krapohl is a defensive liability and the least talented player on the team. 5'8" freshman Harding is probably the second worst player on the team and averaged 25 ppg and only 4 apg in HS. Freshman Howe may not see a minute of playing time after 2 recent ACL injuries, and is a shooting guard who averaged 25 ppg and 3 apg in HS. Mosch is definitely not a PG, neither is 6' freshman Foley who averaged 22 ppg and just 1 apg. Where's the PG? Duke could have gone after star PG recruits with high rankings and 10 apg and decided not to. Who's going to distribute the ball to all the star centers?
11-05-2002 06:38 PM
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