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The Way It Should Be - wewererebels - 06-04-2024 11:01 PM
So how should NIL and Transfer Portal work?
As we can see these two things destroying amateurism and traditional college athletics, it's worth a few posts to consider what could be done to return college athletics to some semblance of viability.
My first suggestion if I were trying to fix NIL would be to set fairly low limits on how much money college athletes could receive while playing for college teams, with the rest if any, going into trust that would be accessible by the athlete at age 30.
What mechanism you could devise to prevent bidding wars between programs would be another challenge.
As for transfer portal, there should be a strict limit of two transfers allowed, after which loss of a year of eligibility for each subsequent transfer should be enforced.
That's my initial 2 cents. Your thoughts?
RE: The Way It Should Be - FoUTASportscaster - 06-05-2024 12:04 AM
I'd say let NIL be what it sounds like. If the local car dealership wants to use you in commercials, go ahead. NIL shouldn't be a blanket check to every player on the team. A Maryland football coach said in a press conference that a third-string running back demanded $100,000 to stay on the team.
RE: The Way It Should Be - Lopes87 - 06-05-2024 09:27 AM
I think we either see some type of athlete union for all athletes regardless of sport or FB and hoops players will kill the golden goose and the funds will dry up sooner than later for 90% of the NCAA...
With that being said I'd have every athlete take multiple courses on NIL while playing in the NCAA regardless of level.
Would like to see clear deadlines for transfer window and I would make it 30 to 45 days in duration but it starts 10 days after their sports title game.
When a player transfers there is a transfer fee and that is negotiated between athletic departments, the school that is posting the player sets the market for the player if they want to leave.
NIL deals should be 2 year deals at min and player would need to buyout the rest of that agreement if they left before the contract is completed
These are just a few of my pie in the sky desires for NIL
RE: The Way It Should Be - PojoaquePosse - 06-05-2024 12:15 PM
The NCAA, media companies, TV stations, universities, etc. have been making billions off the backs of SA's for decades. It's only fair that SA's can make money. Any other student could make unlimited money, but not SA's. Students, coaches, administrators could change schools anytime they wanted. But not SA's. It wasn't fair.
Now that things have changed people are unhappy. I liked the old way too. But I also know it wasn't fair to SA's. I think some guardrails to the portal and NIL need to be made. But I'm not mad at the SA's.
RE: The Way It Should Be - wewererebels - 06-05-2024 03:26 PM
Back when Jim Thorpe was playing for Carlisle, it was okay for college athletes to be on the payroll. As I understand it, the NCAA came along to enforce the ideal of "pure amateurism" around 1905. So the scholarships were supposed to be the only emolument allowed.* For the big $ schools that was often not the case, so as it is this day, there was a vast gulf between the haves and the have nots.
Fairness and honesty should have a prominent place in all this, and I would love to see some kind of structure that allowed WAC-ish schools to be able to compete against the big boys. NIL and the portal have relegated many programs to an entry level where the mvp can get bid up for his sophomore year. The previous year's freshman of the year at UTA rode the bench at UT-Austin last year.
Maybe it would be better to just be honest and return to how things were in the Jim Thorpe days.
*To be fair, tuition, books and boarding at some "small schools," like TCU amounts to over a quarter million dollars for four years.
RE: The Way It Should Be - FoUTASportscaster - 06-05-2024 07:07 PM
To be fair, and I hate to say it, Weaver played quite often at UT-Austin.
RE: The Way It Should Be - SDHornet - 06-05-2024 07:27 PM
(06-05-2024 12:15 PM)PojoaquePosse Wrote: The NCAA, media companies, TV stations, universities, etc. have been making billions off the backs of SA's for decades. It's only fair that SA's can make money. Any other student could make unlimited money, but not SA's. Students, coaches, administrators could change schools anytime they wanted. But not SA's. It wasn't fair.
Now that things have changed people are unhappy. I liked the old way too. But I also know it wasn't fair to SA's. I think some guardrails to the portal and NIL need to be made. But I'm not mad at the SA's.
Completely agree. I have no problem with these NIL deals. Amateurism has been dead for a few decades, NIL just made it official.
Regarding transfer rules: 1 free one, then lose a year of eligibility for each subsequent transfer with the following exceptions:
1. Coaching change. I'm cool with an additional free transfer if the Head Coach that recruited you bails.
2. Medical Hardship. Take a major injury and want to transfer to be closer to home/somewhere where there is better care then additional free transfer is warranted. I'd also include a family hardship (family death, medical issue, etc) as part of this.
There maybe a few other reasons for an additional free transfer but basically the goal is to eliminate the free transfers because reasons.
RE: The Way It Should Be - runamuck - 06-06-2024 02:05 PM
I dont know how many of last year's basketball roster are sticking around but UTA has signed 10 new players . the new coach has been busy. some of the new guys have impressive resume.
RE: The Way It Should Be - wewererebels - 06-06-2024 03:16 PM
(06-06-2024 02:05 PM)runamuck Wrote: I dont know how many of last year's basketball roster are sticking around but UTA has signed 10 new players . the new coach has been busy. some of the new guys have impressive resume.
It seems attrition has gone way up under the current rules. Where once you could expect three or four openings from graduation, dropouts or transfers, now the coaches are reloading almost the entire roster, and many of the new arrivals have only one or two years of eligibility remaining. Shemar Wilson was the exception last basketball season. It would be nice to have more continuity - more Shemar Wilsons.
RE: The Way It Should Be - RCI - 06-06-2024 06:05 PM
To be frank, I am not as interested in our teams when athletes come in for one year. I enjoyed the old days of watching players mature and getting familiar with their improving abilities. That factor added to the benefit of attending games. There was an element of knowing the players were loyal to the University. Now it is a bit like watching teams with less connection to the things we share.
RE: The Way It Should Be - Spolovilo4EVER - 06-07-2024 07:16 AM
I agree I wish players could not change schools every year. If they are going to change all the rules again, at least make players sign 2 year contracts minimum if they are getting paid up front now. Complete roster turnovers every year makes it frustrating. They need to limit the amount of players you can pick up in the portal and make it to where the portal is a dangerous prospect and you better be damn sure you want to leave. I am sure schools are going to limit the number of overall players on the roster now to cut cost so it is just going to get even more competitive to play for a D1 school because all the Power schools are not going to recruit HS students very much, they are just going to steal the best players from all the non power schools every year and get older experienced proven players.
RE: The Way It Should Be - runamuck - 06-07-2024 08:08 AM
(06-07-2024 07:16 AM)Spolovilo4EVER Wrote: I agree I wish players could not change schools every year. If they are going to change all the rules again, at least make players sign 2 year contracts minimum if they are getting paid up front now. Complete roster turnovers every year makes it frustrating. They need to limit the amount of players you can pick up in the portal and make it to where the portal is a dangerous prospect and you better be damn sure you want to leave. I am sure schools are going to limit the number of overall players on the roster now to cut cost so it is just going to get even more competitive to play for a D1 school because all the Power schools are not going to recruit HS students very much, they are just going to steal the best players from all the non power schools every year and get older experienced proven players.
you may be on to something..the big money schools might go with a smaller roster and that might mean more talent available for the G5. 2 star and 3 star players will want to showcase their talent for that lucrative spot on a payroll team. the money schools will be in a bidding war for the top players just like in the 60's/70's, just all out in the open now.
RE: The Way It Should Be - FoUTASportscaster - 06-09-2024 11:56 AM
I liked the original idea of a free transfer, then a penalty. In the end, it doesn’t take away any eligibility and doesn’t restrict the movement if there’s a legit reason to transfer, but it did limit some of these lateral transfers. I loved watching the mid aught’s UTA team because I watched legit players grow into a team. Now it’s rent a players every year. Some good players for sure, but cheering a Russell, Weaver or Williams for a year just sucks.
It also is having a negative impact as some kids enter the portal, and get no offers.
RE: The Way It Should Be - RCI - 06-10-2024 03:50 PM
Well said FoUTASportscaster, I feel the same way.
There are, for the most part, two sports that can generate money for a university, but most school likely do not make money on any of the sports. So, I always thought just getting a free education was a pretty good payout for playing for your university and all the fun that included. I guess I am too old fashioned but I always put education number one and athletics number two and likely that is the case today for the vast majority of universities except for the power five or so.
If the trend today is to professional sports and conferences, then I am not sure forcing education into the mix is optimal for producing the best sports teams. Might as well just have minor leagues of farm teams. Full time training would help satisfy those determined to dominate competitions.
However, of course it is important for the athletes to get an education, but that now seems to come secondarily for those with large NILs. I fear we are dumbing down the educational side for student athletes, despite grade requirements. A shrinking fraction of athletes are educated in more challenging preparatory areas, and this small number are not trying to become pursued for their academic abilities. The odds do not seem favorable except for the smaller fraction that turn pro successfully and the exceptions that can actually excel academically and athletically.
The future of college education and college athletics is pretty unpredictable right now. I hope we don't mess things up too much, but it is worrisome.
RE: The Way It Should Be - wewererebels - 06-10-2024 04:36 PM
Well said, RCI. It would be nice to be able to get above our wistfulness for the old days, yet somehow preserve enough of the amateur student athlete paradigm to allow us to still be interested as fans.
Is reform possible, or are we condemned to a future of minor league professional "college" athletics?
Did the pre-NCAA Jim Thorpe fans and institutions confront the same type of crisis? It's hard to transport our minds to a time of "Chariots of Fire" moral ethics. The winds of change have blown hard since the 1960s (much less the early 1900s), so it's hard to imagine how this will all end, except the rich will get richer.
RE: The Way It Should Be - Lopes87 - 06-11-2024 11:07 AM
The lack of education being the most important thing starts at the youth level. There are coaches, schools, and districts in Washington State that will list out of district kids as homeless so that they can compete and play for them in HS. It happens in every sport as well. Some districts are now looking at being "open" so that the dishonesty and cheating is ok. The crazy part of this all is adults are wanting to get a "cut" once their go to player makes it big if they ever do. its a vile system in a lot of ways.
RE: The Way It Should Be - gleadley - 06-11-2024 12:34 PM
I just don't understand why almost every "solution" begins and ends with restricting the student athletes themselves, like freedom to transfer and ability to maximize earnings aren't luxuries that literally every other general population student at all institutions of higher learning enjoy. Or maybe I do understand, because the quiet part that academic and athletic administrators won't say out loud is it is harder to do their jobs because they don't CONTROL student athletes like they did in the past. Rather than adapt, we get lazy and disingenuous hand wringing about "transferability of credits" and "financial literacy." Leave the young adults alone and legislate the institutions themselves.
RE: The Way It Should Be - PojoaquePosse - 06-11-2024 01:26 PM
(06-11-2024 12:34 PM)gleadley Wrote: I just don't understand why almost every "solution" begins and ends with restricting the student athletes themselves, like freedom to transfer and ability to maximize earnings aren't luxuries that literally every other general population student at all institutions of higher learning enjoy. Or maybe I do understand, because the quiet part that academic and athletic administrators won't say out loud is it is harder to do their jobs because they don't CONTROL student athletes like they did in the past. Rather than adapt, we get lazy and disingenuous hand wringing about "transferability of credits" and "financial literacy." Leave the young adults alone and legislate the institutions themselves.
Preach! Everyone wants things "the way they used to be". Said another way, student athletes should have no rights so that I can view basketball the way that I want. When people say the sport is being destroyed, they are really saying they preferred the game a certain way and the changes don't suit them, all under the guise of NIL and the portal.
RE: The Way It Should Be - PojoaquePosse - 06-11-2024 01:31 PM
(06-05-2024 07:27 PM)SDHornet Wrote:(06-05-2024 12:15 PM)PojoaquePosse Wrote: The NCAA, media companies, TV stations, universities, etc. have been making billions off the backs of SA's for decades. It's only fair that SA's can make money. Any other student could make unlimited money, but not SA's. Students, coaches, administrators could change schools anytime they wanted. But not SA's. It wasn't fair.
Now that things have changed people are unhappy. I liked the old way too. But I also know it wasn't fair to SA's. I think some guardrails to the portal and NIL need to be made. But I'm not mad at the SA's.
Completely agree. I have no problem with these NIL deals. Amateurism has been dead for a few decades, NIL just made it official.
Regarding transfer rules: 1 free one, then lose a year of eligibility for each subsequent transfer with the following exceptions:
1. Coaching change. I'm cool with an additional free transfer if the Head Coach that recruited you bails.
2. Medical Hardship. Take a major injury and want to transfer to be closer to home/somewhere where there is better care then additional free transfer is warranted. I'd also include a family hardship (family death, medical issue, etc) as part of this.
There maybe a few other reasons for an additional free transfer but basically the goal is to eliminate the free transfers because reasons.
I appreciate your support on the topic, but I don't agree with the restrictions of transfers. Coaches, administrators and regular students can move schools whenever they want. Why are we restricting athletes? Because we, the fans/viewers, don't want players transferring whenever they want.
I am a fan of "the way things used to be", I don't care for NIL or the transfer portal. But fair is fair.
RE: The Way It Should Be - PojoaquePosse - 06-11-2024 01:37 PM
I also find it funny that people pretend to care about the education of the SA's. How many people know what players graduated, what degree they got, what their GPA was? We watch sports to see the kids play. We don't tune in to watch them take tests or do homework.