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2022-2023 Gross Revenue Totals by Conference for the P5 (Totals and Averages) - JRsec - 04-12-2024 01:22 PM
SEC:
5. Georgia: $210,108,069
9. Louisiana State: $200,476,979
11. Texas A&M: $194,254,820
12. Auburn: $192,658,903
13. Tennessee: $191,271,254
14. Alabama: $191,190,486
18. Florida: $176,795,879
19. Arkansas: $170,990,473
22. Kentucky: $166,423,002
23. South Carolina: $160,420,147
36. Mississippi: $136,764,296
48. Vanderbilt: $125,133,666
49. Missouri: $124,293,939
57. Mississippi State: $115,664,788
Total Revenue: $2,356,446,701
Average Per School: $168,317,621.50
UP from 2021-22 $13,142,075
B1G:
2. Ohio State: $249,698,974
6. Michigan: $206,514,688
7. Penn State: $201,533,972
10. Nebraska: $197,009,548
15. Wisconsin: $190,564,690
21. Iowa: $166,886,577
30. Michigan State: $149,254,610
31. Indiana: $143,221,485
38. Minnesota: $136,614,891
41. Illinois: $134,767,269
44. Rutgers: $130,221,793
50. Purdue: $124,290,313
53. Maryland: $121,183,392
56. Northwestern: $117,587,514
Total Revenue: $2,268,945,594
Average Per School: $162,067,542.43
Up from 2021-22 $12,261,620
ACC:
3. Notre Dame: $224,191,928* (Total not included with ACC)
20: Florida State: $170,434,508
24. Miami: $159,633,958
25. Louisville: $155,191,814
27. Duke: $152,509,818
28. Clemson: $152,093,316
34. North Carolina: $137,918,817
37. Pittsburgh: $136,704,076
45. Virginia Tech: $129,705,818
47. Virginia: $125,968,540
52. N.C. State: $121,444,506
55. Boston College: $118,430,392
58. Georgia Tech: $115,654,077
59. Syracuse: $113,510,249
64. Wake Forest: $97,298,475
Total Revenue: $1,886,498,364
Average Per School: $134,749,883.14
Up from 2021-22 $13,057,491
Big 12:
1. Texas: $261,353,404
7. Kansas: $205,747,275
16. Oklahoma: $183,919,881
29. Texas Christian: $149,297,918
35. Baylor: $137,460,582
51. Texas Tech: $123,551,688
54. Oklahoma State: $119,235,776
61. West Virginia: $103,142,400
62. Kansas State: $102,332,761
65. Iowa State: $93,048,114
Total Revenue: $1,479,089,799
Average Per School: $147,908,979.9
Up from 2021-22 $19,676,572 (mostly due to Kansas)
PAC 12:
4. Southern California: $212,013,703
17. Stanford: $179,645,688
26. Washington: $154,849,477
32. California Los Angeles: $141,964,728
33. Arizona: $138,761,638
39. Colorado: $136,114,468
40. California: $134,872,865
43. Oregon: $132,359,145
46. Arizona State: $128,265,591
60. Utah: $111,483,459
63. Oregon State: $97,792,784
66. Washington State: $79,015,052
Total Revenue: $1,647,138,598
Average Per School: $137,261,549.83
Up from 2021-22 $16,262,933
Brigham Young: $106,430,702
Central Florida: $88,199,644
Southern Methodist: $86,044,162
Houston: $84,023,065
Cincinnati: $77,436,016
RE: 2022-2023 Gross Revenue Totals by Conference for the P5 (Totals and Averages) - murrdcu - 04-16-2024 08:52 PM
Kansas really sticks out on that list.
Duke would be mid table SEC easily with Clemson and Carolina right behind them.
If Nebraska doses somehow get kicked out of B1G for lack of research growth, Sankey should make a call up their if the boys in Norman haven’t already.
RE: 2022-2023 Gross Revenue Totals by Conference for the P5 (Totals and Averages) - JRsec - 04-17-2024 06:49 AM
(04-16-2024 08:52 PM)murrdcu Wrote: Kansas really sticks out on that list.
Duke would be mid table SEC easily with Clemson and Carolina right behind them.
If Nebraska doses somehow get kicked out of B1G for lack of research growth, Sankey should make a call up their if the boys in Norman haven’t already.
It does illuminate the picture doesn't it. And that's what they are making without SEC media revenue.
Duke, North Carolina, Kansas, and another Florida school would work quite nicely.
Or we could simply go Brands and Markets to 24:
From the ACC: Clemson, Duke, Florida State, North Carolina, Virginia
From the Big 12: Kansas, Colorado
From the Big 10: Nebraska
SEC West: Arkansas, Colorado, Kansas, Missouri, Nebraska, Oklahoma, Texas, Texas A&M (That is the best of the SWC & Big 8)
SEC Central: Alabama, Auburn, Louisiana State, Kentucky, Mississippi, Mississippi State, Tennessee, Vanderbilt
SEC East: Clemson, Duke, Florida, Florida State, Georgia, North Carolina, South Carolina, Virginia
That's pretty danged strong in each division!
RE: 2022-2023 Gross Revenue Totals by Conference for the P5 (Totals and Averages) - murrdcu - 04-17-2024 02:04 PM
(04-17-2024 06:49 AM)JRsec Wrote:(04-16-2024 08:52 PM)murrdcu Wrote: Kansas really sticks out on that list.
Duke would be mid table SEC easily with Clemson and Carolina right behind them.
If Nebraska doses somehow get kicked out of B1G for lack of research growth, Sankey should make a call up their if the boys in Norman haven’t already.
It does illuminate the picture doesn't it. And that's what they are making without SEC media revenue.
Duke, North Carolina, Kansas, and another Florida school would work quite nicely.
Or we could simply go Brands and Markets to 24:
From the ACC: Clemson, Duke, Florida State, North Carolina, Virginia
From the Big 12: Kansas, Colorado
From the Big 10: Nebraska
SEC West: Arkansas, Colorado, Kansas, Missouri, Nebraska, Oklahoma, Texas, Texas A&M (That is the best of the SWC & Big 8)
SEC Central: Alabama, Auburn, Louisiana State, Kentucky, Mississippi, Mississippi State, Tennessee, Vanderbilt
SEC East: Clemson, Duke, Florida, Florida State, Georgia, North Carolina, South Carolina, Virginia
That's pretty danged strong in each division!
At worst: Clemson, UNC, NC State (couldn’t separate), Duke
Later: Nebraska (when/if kicked out Big Ten), Kansas
You know if Virginia Tech doesn’t land in a P2 slot they’re gonna have to slap themselves in their face for not seriously looking at the SEC in 2010 when all that “poppy ****” talk of the SEC wanting to add them with A&M went down. Mizzou stepped in and has blossomed quite well.
RE: 2022-2023 Gross Revenue Totals by Conference for the P5 (Totals and Averages) - JRsec - 04-17-2024 02:17 PM
(04-17-2024 02:04 PM)murrdcu Wrote:That's not how it happened. in 2011 Texas, Oklahoma, and Notre Dame were thinking about joining the ACC in full. It is why Dodds was saying that UT was looking East. Kansas was the rumored 4th though Boren at Oklahoma was pushing for Oklahoma State, which was a rub on that side of the equation.(04-17-2024 06:49 AM)JRsec Wrote:(04-16-2024 08:52 PM)murrdcu Wrote: Kansas really sticks out on that list.
Duke would be mid table SEC easily with Clemson and Carolina right behind them.
If Nebraska doses somehow get kicked out of B1G for lack of research growth, Sankey should make a call up their if the boys in Norman haven’t already.
It does illuminate the picture doesn't it. And that's what they are making without SEC media revenue.
Duke, North Carolina, Kansas, and another Florida school would work quite nicely.
Or we could simply go Brands and Markets to 24:
From the ACC: Clemson, Duke, Florida State, North Carolina, Virginia
From the Big 12: Kansas, Colorado
From the Big 10: Nebraska
SEC West: Arkansas, Colorado, Kansas, Missouri, Nebraska, Oklahoma, Texas, Texas A&M (That is the best of the SWC & Big 8)
SEC Central: Alabama, Auburn, Louisiana State, Kentucky, Mississippi, Mississippi State, Tennessee, Vanderbilt
SEC East: Clemson, Duke, Florida, Florida State, Georgia, North Carolina, South Carolina, Virginia
That's pretty danged strong in each division!
At worst: Clemson, UNC, NC State (couldn’t separate), Duke
Later: Nebraska (when/if kicked out Big Ten), Kansas
You know if Virginia Tech doesn’t land in a P2 slot they’re gonna have to slap themselves in their face for not seriously looking at the SEC in 2010 when all that “poppy ****” talk of the SEC wanting to add them with A&M went down. Mizzou stepped in and has blossomed quite well.
ESPN and the SEC were hyping N.C. State and Virginia Tech through bloggers and beat writers who were essentially floating what was to be both conferences moving to 16 and ESPN setting them up as the two super conference rivals leaving the Big 10 out. Allegedly it was UNC, Duke, UVA and Wake who pulled the plug because they realized that if those 4 joined the conference and they lost Va Tech and N.C. State then Tobacco Road would no longer control the votes. When the deal fell apart, after Va Tech was to have with the SEC in WV, Maryland which was needing the boost in revenue bolted to the Big 10 and everything blew up. It prompted UNC's Cunningham to ask Slive if Virginia and Georgia Tech went to the Big 10 would the SEC take UNC and Duke as a pair.
You do know that ESPN intended the launch of the ACCN the year after the SECN and that when the deal was nixed the GORs went into place to keep it from leading to a run on the Big 12 and the ACC in 2011. They also paid the ACC 2 million per school per year not to have an ACCN. They wuz pissed!
RE: 2022-2023 Gross Revenue Totals by Conference for the P5 (Totals and Averages) - Porcine - 04-17-2024 05:45 PM
(04-17-2024 06:49 AM)JRsec Wrote:(04-16-2024 08:52 PM)murrdcu Wrote: Kansas really sticks out on that list.
Duke would be mid table SEC easily with Clemson and Carolina right behind them.
If Nebraska doses somehow get kicked out of B1G for lack of research growth, Sankey should make a call up their if the boys in Norman haven’t already.
It does illuminate the picture doesn't it. And that's what they are making without SEC media revenue.
Duke, North Carolina, Kansas, and another Florida school would work quite nicely.
Or we could simply go Brands and Markets to 24:
From the ACC: Clemson, Duke, Florida State, North Carolina, Virginia
From the Big 12: Kansas, Colorado
From the Big 10: Nebraska
SEC West: Arkansas, Colorado, Kansas, Missouri, Nebraska, Oklahoma, Texas, Texas A&M (That is the best of the SWC & Big 8)
SEC Central: Alabama, Auburn, Louisiana State, Kentucky, Mississippi, Mississippi State, Tennessee, Vanderbilt
SEC East: Clemson, Duke, Florida, Florida State, Georgia, North Carolina, South Carolina, Virginia
That's pretty danged strong in each division!
Looks familiar.
(03-06-2023 11:05 AM)Porcine Wrote:(03-06-2023 10:45 AM)Gitanole Wrote:Maybe throw in the Buffaloes while we're at it.(03-05-2023 07:14 PM)Porcine Wrote: Kansas and Nebraska should both go to the SEC.
I like it.
I like the geographical rivalries. And moving the SEC past the historical baggage that goes with its present turf is a positive.
West-Colorado, Nebraska, Kansas, Missouri, Arkansas, Oklahoma, Texas, Texas A&M
Central-LSU, Ole Miss, Mississippi State, Alabama, Auburn, Tennessee, Vanderbilt, Kentucky
East-Florida, Florida State, Georgia, South Carolina, Clemson, North Carolina, Duke, Virginia
RE: 2022-2023 Gross Revenue Totals by Conference for the P5 (Totals and Averages) - JRsec - 04-17-2024 05:58 PM
(04-17-2024 05:45 PM)Porcine Wrote:(04-17-2024 06:49 AM)JRsec Wrote:(04-16-2024 08:52 PM)murrdcu Wrote: Kansas really sticks out on that list.
Duke would be mid table SEC easily with Clemson and Carolina right behind them.
If Nebraska doses somehow get kicked out of B1G for lack of research growth, Sankey should make a call up their if the boys in Norman haven’t already.
It does illuminate the picture doesn't it. And that's what they are making without SEC media revenue.
Duke, North Carolina, Kansas, and another Florida school would work quite nicely.
Or we could simply go Brands and Markets to 24:
From the ACC: Clemson, Duke, Florida State, North Carolina, Virginia
From the Big 12: Kansas, Colorado
From the Big 10: Nebraska
SEC West: Arkansas, Colorado, Kansas, Missouri, Nebraska, Oklahoma, Texas, Texas A&M (That is the best of the SWC & Big 8)
SEC Central: Alabama, Auburn, Louisiana State, Kentucky, Mississippi, Mississippi State, Tennessee, Vanderbilt
SEC East: Clemson, Duke, Florida, Florida State, Georgia, North Carolina, South Carolina, Virginia
That's pretty danged strong in each division!
Looks familiar.
(03-06-2023 11:05 AM)Porcine Wrote:(03-06-2023 10:45 AM)Gitanole Wrote:Maybe throw in the Buffaloes while we're at it.(03-05-2023 07:14 PM)Porcine Wrote: Kansas and Nebraska should both go to the SEC.
I like it.
I like the geographical rivalries. And moving the SEC past the historical baggage that goes with its present turf is a positive.
West-Colorado, Nebraska, Kansas, Missouri, Arkansas, Oklahoma, Texas, Texas A&M
Central-LSU, Ole Miss, Mississippi State, Alabama, Auburn, Tennessee, Vanderbilt, Kentucky
East-Florida, Florida State, Georgia, South Carolina, Clemson, North Carolina, Duke, Virginia
It's nice, and I don't lay claim to the lineup, or any lineup of mine for that matter being original. What I had original back in 2012 was the 3 x 20 and even a 3 x 24 setup. Schools may shift but the format is what I saw then with consolidation. If you were going to maximize revenue the lineup you gave would be the ticket. I just have a sneaky suspicion that politics between the ACC and ESPN will be involved, and I seriously doubt Nebraska leaves the Big 10, though it would be interesting, and I did tell Bryan that they are outside of our parameters, and they are. The interesting wiggle room would Sankey's promise to reunite rivalries and preserve them. Nebraska / Oklahoma could certainly be argued as a restored rivalry.
I have several factors I consider when envisioning a format. Form always follows function. How many units does it take to breakdown existing conferences into fewer ones because each conference eliminated makes the legal work with networks less expensive, increases the shares of schools as each conference essentially operates on a full share of the revenue and then has large overhead for the maintenance of a physical plant usually located in a more expensive area of a city, which was killer for the PAC, expensive for the Big 10, a bit more expensive than you would think for the Big 12, not so much for the ACC but the family relations have been an impediment to profitability, and the SEC has likely the cheapest overhead of any considering the commercial value of the property when they located. There are roughly 71-73 schools at any one time which could make enough money to trim subsidies and compete at the upper level. Compete is the qualifying issue. About 18 truly can, then the next 20 to 30 compete well in that middle range of the upper tier, then the next 7 or 8 well enough, and that last dozen or so not so well. Divide 72 by 3 and you get 24. Make it more profitable and limit it to 61 and you get a 3 x 20 with Notre Dame as an affiliate. 61 makes everyone more money. The regional model died with the cable footprint model where the SWC had 9 schools delivering 2 states or something like that. Even the Big 8 had 6 state area. The ACC had 5 until they added Ga Tech in 78. The footprint model mandated more states. The Smart TV has changed that to more eyeballs since it can measure them and how long they watched before switching. So advertisers abandoned the footprint pay model for advertising and picked up actual viewers. From there you get segregation by value. We have 2 large conferences which are paid top money (SEC/B1G) and right now to middling conferences making 35 million less. It looks to me that 3 x 20 or a 2 x 20 with the 3rd being 24 could indeed be the final model. We'll see.