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Jack Smith is pleading the Supreme Court to allow Trump trial to start without delay - BigTigerMike - 02-15-2024 09:22 AM
Because Daddy Joe is in trouble and needs help
RE: Jack Smith is pleading the Supreme Court to allow Trump trial to start without delay - Redwingtom - 02-15-2024 09:43 AM
No, because it should. There's no need for anyone to have more time at this point. The voters want to know before November.
You'd think the TOTALLY INNOCENT trump would want his name cleared before November since the majority of voters seem to say that this is an issue that will effect their vote.
RE: Jack Smith is pleading the Supreme Court to allow Trump trial to start without delay - rath v2.0 - 02-15-2024 09:53 AM
A speedy and fair verdict (...snicker)
Feeling like the Georgia case where the indictment was released on the clerk of courts site before the grand jury even finished deliberating...they already have the verdict in hand if they could just get on with the case.
RE: Jack Smith is pleading the Supreme Court to allow Trump trial to start without delay - Redwingtom - 02-15-2024 09:58 AM
(02-15-2024 09:53 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote: A speedy and fair verdict (...snicker)
Feeling like the Georgia case where the indictment was released on the clerk of courts site before the grand jury even finished deliberating...they already have the verdict in hand if they could just get on with the case.
You're talking about SCOTUS. Where trump has basically a 6-3 head start.
Smith filed a 40-page report in like a day. They clearly had their ducks in a row long before Hur released his opinions.
Jack Smith is pleading the Supreme Court to allow Trump trial to start without delay - green - 02-15-2024 10:06 AM
Quote:The Speedy Trial Clause of the Sixth Amendment to the United States Constitution provides, "In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial...". The Clause protects the defendant from delay between the presentation of the indictment or similar charging instrument and the beginning of trial.
we don't wantonly try people for the voters ...
LOSS OF LIBERTY
RE: Jack Smith is pleading the Supreme Court to allow Trump trial to start without delay - BigTigerMike - 02-15-2024 10:09 AM
A speedy trial is for the benefit of the defendant if they so request it. This ‘public interest’ crap is not for the public benefit but for Biden since he’s the one that will benefit the most if Trump trial is rushed through right now and there’s a conviction
Jack Smith is pleading the Supreme Court to allow Trump trial to start without delay - green - 02-15-2024 10:28 AM
Quote:The law permits Trump’s lawyers to stall up to 90 days before filing a petition asking the Supreme Court to overturn his loss in the court of appeals.
WHAT'S THE RUSH
RE: Jack Smith is pleading the Supreme Court to allow Trump trial to start without delay - mlb - 02-15-2024 10:53 AM
(02-15-2024 10:09 AM)BigTigerMike Wrote: A speedy trial is for the benefit of the defendant if they so request it. This ‘public interest’ crap is not for the public benefit but for Biden since he’s the one that will benefit the most if Trump trial is rushed through right now and there’s a conviction
Finding out if he is guilty or not isn't in the public interest before the voters go to the polls?
RE: Jack Smith is pleading the Supreme Court to allow Trump trial to start without delay - UofMstateU - 02-15-2024 10:55 AM
(02-15-2024 09:22 AM)BigTigerMike Wrote: Because Daddy Joe is in trouble and needs help
Someone needs to remind JackBois that the defendant has a right to a speedy trial, not JackBOis.
Jack Smith is pleading the Supreme Court to allow Trump trial to start without delay - green - 02-15-2024 11:03 AM
(02-15-2024 10:53 AM)mlb Wrote:(02-15-2024 10:09 AM)BigTigerMike Wrote: A speedy trial is for the benefit of the defendant if they so request it. This ‘public interest’ crap is not for the public benefit but for Biden since he’s the one that will benefit the most if Trump trial is rushed through right now and there’s a conviction
Finding out if he is guilty or not isn't in the public interest before the voters go to the polls?
defendant's right to a fair trial trumps the public's right to know ...
SECONDARY TO SOMETHING
RE: Jack Smith is pleading the Supreme Court to allow Trump trial to start without delay - BigTigerMike - 02-15-2024 11:04 AM
(02-15-2024 10:53 AM)mlb Wrote:(02-15-2024 10:09 AM)BigTigerMike Wrote: A speedy trial is for the benefit of the defendant if they so request it. This ‘public interest’ crap is not for the public benefit but for Biden since he’s the one that will benefit the most if Trump trial is rushed through right now and there’s a conviction
Finding out if he is guilty or not isn't in the public interest before the voters go to the polls?
Selectively choosing to indict summer of last year to correspond with election cycle and March dates is a political issue [Lawfare] not a public interest issue. Then when the defendant desires to use his constitutional rights to appeal; the prosecution desires an extreme case of rushing the case to meet March dates is once again a political issue not a public interest issue. Add that the NYT article stated that Biden angrily asked Garland why Trump wasn’t indicted yet points to a political issue not a public interest issue
RE: Jack Smith is pleading the Supreme Court to allow Trump trial to start without delay - mlb - 02-15-2024 11:06 AM
(02-15-2024 11:03 AM)green Wrote:(02-15-2024 10:53 AM)mlb Wrote:(02-15-2024 10:09 AM)BigTigerMike Wrote: A speedy trial is for the benefit of the defendant if they so request it. This ‘public interest’ crap is not for the public benefit but for Biden since he’s the one that will benefit the most if Trump trial is rushed through right now and there’s a conviction
Finding out if he is guilty or not isn't in the public interest before the voters go to the polls?
defendant's right to a fair trial trumps the public's right to know ...
SECONDARY TO SOMETHING
Fair point. We're in a conundrum here. He needs time to prepare his defense, but the public needs to know if he did what he is alleged in order to know how to vote. I'd say maybe we say if you are charged you can't run until your trial is over, but then we know that political opponents will use that to keep someone from being able to run. At this point our system of laws is being abused every day on both sides.
RE: Jack Smith is pleading the Supreme Court to allow Trump trial to start without delay - umbluegray - 02-15-2024 11:09 AM
(02-15-2024 10:53 AM)mlb Wrote:(02-15-2024 10:09 AM)BigTigerMike Wrote: A speedy trial is for the benefit of the defendant if they so request it. This ‘public interest’ crap is not for the public benefit but for Biden since he’s the one that will benefit the most if Trump trial is rushed through right now and there’s a conviction
Finding out if he is guilty or not isn't in the public interest before the voters go to the polls?
I think he means the traditional American concept of justice is for the benefit of the accused and no one else. The accused is innocent until proven guilty. The accused has the right to provide a defense -- regardless of what might be considered the best interest of the public or any other group.
But in this situation, the public would best be served by investigating the administration's and Justice Department's assumed weaponization of the process against political opponents.
So maybe delaying the trail IS in the best interest of the public as well.
RE: Jack Smith is pleading the Supreme Court to allow Trump trial to start without delay - Redwingtom - 02-15-2024 11:09 AM
(02-15-2024 10:55 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:(02-15-2024 09:22 AM)BigTigerMike Wrote: Because Daddy Joe is in trouble and needs help
Someone needs to remind JackBois that the defendant has a right to a speedy trial, not JackBOis.
So with all your vast legal training, you feel Jack Smith has to or should have waited the full 8 days given to him to respond? Or was it in his best interest to respond quickly?
Remind us again of your legal bonafides?
RE: Jack Smith is pleading the Supreme Court to allow Trump trial to start without delay - rath v2.0 - 02-15-2024 11:10 AM
He gets the same rights as anyone no matter how much an opposing political party wants to expedite for political gain.
As an attorney, it turns my stomach a little that Smith would even submit that motion.
RE: Jack Smith is pleading the Supreme Court to allow Trump trial to start without delay - Redwingtom - 02-15-2024 11:13 AM
(02-15-2024 11:10 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote: He gets the same rights as anyone no matter how much an opposing political party wants to expedite for political gain.
As an attorney, it turns my stomach a little that Smith would even submit that motion.
C'mon dude. I've seen commentary from several attorneys who are completely in line with what Smith is doing and the timeline he's taking.
If this were Biden, I think you'd be firing down Taco Bell with little regard to your tummy.
Jack Smith is pleading the Supreme Court to allow Trump trial to start without delay - green - 02-15-2024 11:18 AM
(02-15-2024 11:06 AM)mlb Wrote:(02-15-2024 11:03 AM)green Wrote:(02-15-2024 10:53 AM)mlb Wrote:(02-15-2024 10:09 AM)BigTigerMike Wrote: A speedy trial is for the benefit of the defendant if they so request it. This ‘public interest’ crap is not for the public benefit but for Biden since he’s the one that will benefit the most if Trump trial is rushed through right now and there’s a conviction
Finding out if he is guilty or not isn't in the public interest before the voters go to the polls?
defendant's right to a fair trial trumps the public's right to know ...
SECONDARY TO SOMETHING
Fair point. We're in a conundrum here. He needs time to prepare his defense, but the public needs to know if he did what he is alleged in order to know how to vote. I'd say maybe we say if you are charged you can't run until your trial is over, but then we know that political opponents will use that to keep someone from being able to run. At this point our system of laws is being abused every day on both sides.
he needs time to exhaust his appeals ...
PAR FOR THE COURSE
Jack Smith is pleading the Supreme Court to allow Trump trial to start without delay - green - 02-15-2024 11:22 AM
(02-15-2024 11:06 AM)mlb Wrote:(02-15-2024 11:03 AM)green Wrote:(02-15-2024 10:53 AM)mlb Wrote:(02-15-2024 10:09 AM)BigTigerMike Wrote: A speedy trial is for the benefit of the defendant if they so request it. This ‘public interest’ crap is not for the public benefit but for Biden since he’s the one that will benefit the most if Trump trial is rushed through right now and there’s a conviction
Finding out if he is guilty or not isn't in the public interest before the voters go to the polls?
defendant's right to a fair trial trumps the public's right to know ...
SECONDARY TO SOMETHING
Fair point. We're in a conundrum here. He needs time to prepare his defense, but the public needs to know if he did what he is alleged in order to know how to vote. I'd say maybe we say if you are charged you can't run until your trial is over, but then we know that political opponents will use that to keep someone from being able to run. At this point our system of laws is being abused every day on both sides.
biden & his surrogates can prosecute him in the court of public opinion ...
CATCH US IF YOU CAN
RE: Jack Smith is pleading the Supreme Court to allow Trump trial to start without delay - UofMstateU - 02-15-2024 11:22 AM
(02-15-2024 11:09 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:(02-15-2024 10:55 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:(02-15-2024 09:22 AM)BigTigerMike Wrote: Because Daddy Joe is in trouble and needs help
Someone needs to remind JackBois that the defendant has a right to a speedy trial, not JackBOis.
So with all your vast legal training, you feel Jack Smith has to or should have waited the full 8 days given to him to respond? Or was it in his best interest to respond quickly?
Remind us again of your legal bonafides?
Check all of the threads where I completely owned Tanq.
RE: Jack Smith is pleading the Supreme Court to allow Trump trial to start without delay - TripleA - 02-15-2024 11:32 AM
(02-15-2024 10:53 AM)mlb Wrote:(02-15-2024 10:09 AM)BigTigerMike Wrote: A speedy trial is for the benefit of the defendant if they so request it. This ‘public interest’ crap is not for the public benefit but for Biden since he’s the one that will benefit the most if Trump trial is rushed through right now and there’s a conviction
Finding out if he is guilty or not isn't in the public interest before the voters go to the polls?
Not when it's on jacked up BS that he is getting charged with but nobody else. Two-tiered justice.
You know, like all the other garbage that has been dumped on him since 2016, like the spying on his campaign, and the rigged charges against Michael Flynn, and the false info to FISA, and Russia Russia Russia cooked up by Obama and Hillary with real Russian collusion, and the total BS Mueller Report, and the fake impeachment for a phone call, and the second one for an orchestrated "insurrection" that wasn't, and the J6 show trial dog and pony show where the panel destroyed evidence, and the lack of charges against Biden for his classified docs fiasco b/c he's an old man with a bad memory, or Hillary's server, or the soft handing of all Hunter's BS and Biden's involvement with bribery for sure, and likely treason, and about 1000 other things?
Good grief. How can you ask that as a serious question? I don't recall you speaking out about any of this other stuff.
But TRUMP...yeah, we gotta find out the truth before we can vote! Gimme a break.