(08-24-2023 06:31 PM)Todor Wrote:  He is not longer allowed to sell his products because of posts they said are anti semitic. They expressed how it’s “counter to the values” of the Overland Park Famers Market. Lol. A farmers market has values? That’s just weird.

His only response to the media was “Read your Bible.”

https://www.kshb.com/news/local-news/olathe-business-suspended-from-overland-park-farmers-market-for-alleged-antisemitic-social-media-posts

Things like this are steps in the direction of being forced to “hold the correct views” or be shut out.

Sometimes events like this become a feeding frenzy to root out other people with “disagreeable” opinions.

The venue is publicly owned, so I would imagine a lawsuit is coming.

(08-24-2023 08:05 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  Time to shutdown the Overland Park Farmers Market. Every time they do this we need to put a boot on their throat (figuratively of course) and squeeze the life out of them. They’ll learn.

There are more people who just want to be left alone than those pushing woke nonsense.

(08-24-2023 09:13 PM)Eagleyed Wrote:  This isn't your normal day rude comments. He had a discount code for talking about gasing them. Repeatedly talked about killing them. Almost all farmers markets are private owned. So I don't see an issue with kicking someone out of my property that repeatedly talks about killing another group of people. I think he is the one who needs to do a good long reading of the bible.

(08-24-2023 09:13 PM)Eagleyed Wrote:  This isn't your normal day rude comments. He had a discount code for talking about gasing them. Repeatedly talked about killing them. This is way more than an off color joke or them being woke. I don't see an issue with them saying he can't sell goods there.

(08-24-2023 09:13 PM)Eagleyed Wrote:  This isn't your normal day rude comments. He had a discount code for talking about gasing them. Repeatedly talked about killing them. This is way more than an off color joke or them being woke. I don't see an issue with them saying he can't sell goods there.

(08-24-2023 09:37 PM)Todor Wrote:  

(08-24-2023 09:13 PM)Eagleyed Wrote:  This isn't your normal day rude comments. He had a discount code for talking about gasing them. Repeatedly talked about killing them. This is way more than an off color joke or them being woke. I don't see an issue with them saying he can't sell goods there.

He won’t sell any goods there if people refuse to spend their money with someone with his beliefs. I don’t have a problem with that and I doubt anyone else does who values freedom and free enterprise.

However, who gets to decide what online statements are enough that a citizen is no longer allowed to sell peppers at a market that is set up on public space?

And is deciding this legal or not? He isn’t even accused of making any statement or conducting any specific behavior at the market. Only on his personal social media.

(08-24-2023 09:42 PM)Eagleyed Wrote:  

(08-24-2023 09:37 PM)Todor Wrote:  

(08-24-2023 09:13 PM)Eagleyed Wrote:  This isn't your normal day rude comments. He had a discount code for talking about gasing them. Repeatedly talked about killing them. This is way more than an off color joke or them being woke. I don't see an issue with them saying he can't sell goods there.

He won’t sell any goods there if people refuse to spend their money with someone with his beliefs. I don’t have a problem with that and I doubt anyone else does who values freedom and free enterprise.

However, who gets to decide what online statements are enough that a citizen is no longer allowed to sell peppers at a market that is set up on public space?

And is deciding this legal or not? He isn’t even accused of making any statement or conducting any specific behavior at the market. Only on his personal social media.

When you are posting about recreating the holocaust that would be too far. This aint simple joke about a group of people or even a derogatory remark about a certain people. Talking about wanting to a kill a group of people is too far. I'm sure most people wouldn't bat an eye if someone who had a discount code called gas the Christians got barred from selling at the local market.

(08-24-2023 09:50 PM)Todor Wrote:  

(08-24-2023 09:42 PM)Eagleyed Wrote:  

(08-24-2023 09:37 PM)Todor Wrote:  

(08-24-2023 09:13 PM)Eagleyed Wrote:  This isn't your normal day rude comments. He had a discount code for talking about gasing them. Repeatedly talked about killing them. This is way more than an off color joke or them being woke. I don't see an issue with them saying he can't sell goods there.

He won’t sell any goods there if people refuse to spend their money with someone with his beliefs. I don’t have a problem with that and I doubt anyone else does who values freedom and free enterprise.

However, who gets to decide what online statements are enough that a citizen is no longer allowed to sell peppers at a market that is set up on public space?

And is deciding this legal or not? He isn’t even accused of making any statement or conducting any specific behavior at the market. Only on his personal social media.

When you are posting about recreating the holocaust that would be too far. This aint simple joke about a group of people or even a derogatory remark about a certain people. Talking about wanting to a kill a group of people is too far. I'm sure most people wouldn't bat an eye if someone who had a discount code called gas the Christians got barred from selling at the local market.

What else should be not be allowed to do? Is there a list?

It’s owned and operated by the city Parks and Recreation department. Is he still allowed in the parks if his online posts don’t conform? Why should he be based on your logic?

Can his kids use the slipper slide if daddy still runs his website, or does it need to be shut down first?

(08-24-2023 09:26 PM)andybible1995 Wrote:  

(08-24-2023 09:13 PM)Eagleyed Wrote:  This isn't your normal day rude comments. He had a discount code for talking about gasing them. Repeatedly talked about killing them. Almost all farmers markets are private owned. So I don't see an issue with kicking someone out of my property that repeatedly talks about killing another group of people. I think he is the one who needs to do a good long reading of the bible.

If the Jews are God's chosen people, then why did the Sanhedrin vote to have Jesus crucified?

(08-24-2023 09:54 PM)Eagleyed Wrote:  

(08-24-2023 09:50 PM)Todor Wrote:  

(08-24-2023 09:42 PM)Eagleyed Wrote:  

(08-24-2023 09:37 PM)Todor Wrote:  

(08-24-2023 09:13 PM)Eagleyed Wrote:  This isn't your normal day rude comments. He had a discount code for talking about gasing them. Repeatedly talked about killing them. This is way more than an off color joke or them being woke. I don't see an issue with them saying he can't sell goods there.

He won’t sell any goods there if people refuse to spend their money with someone with his beliefs. I don’t have a problem with that and I doubt anyone else does who values freedom and free enterprise.

However, who gets to decide what online statements are enough that a citizen is no longer allowed to sell peppers at a market that is set up on public space?

And is deciding this legal or not? He isn’t even accused of making any statement or conducting any specific behavior at the market. Only on his personal social media.

When you are posting about recreating the holocaust that would be too far. This aint simple joke about a group of people or even a derogatory remark about a certain people. Talking about wanting to a kill a group of people is too far. I'm sure most people wouldn't bat an eye if someone who had a discount code called gas the Christians got barred from selling at the local market.

What else should be not be allowed to do? Is there a list?

It’s owned and operated by the city Parks and Recreation department. Is he still allowed in the parks if his online posts don’t conform? Why should he be based on your logic?

Can his kids use the slipper slide if daddy still runs his website, or does it need to be shut down first?

I'll make this very simple for you. Don't encourage people to genocide against another group of people. That's it. Should be pretty simple to follow.

(08-24-2023 10:14 PM)Todor Wrote:  

(08-24-2023 09:54 PM)Eagleyed Wrote:  

(08-24-2023 09:50 PM)Todor Wrote:  

(08-24-2023 09:42 PM)Eagleyed Wrote:  

(08-24-2023 09:37 PM)Todor Wrote:  He won’t sell any goods there if people refuse to spend their money with someone with his beliefs. I don’t have a problem with that and I doubt anyone else does who values freedom and free enterprise.

However, who gets to decide what online statements are enough that a citizen is no longer allowed to sell peppers at a market that is set up on public space?

And is deciding this legal or not? He isn’t even accused of making any statement or conducting any specific behavior at the market. Only on his personal social media.

When you are posting about recreating the holocaust that would be too far. This aint simple joke about a group of people or even a derogatory remark about a certain people. Talking about wanting to a kill a group of people is too far. I'm sure most people wouldn't bat an eye if someone who had a discount code called gas the Christians got barred from selling at the local market.

What else should be not be allowed to do? Is there a list?

It’s owned and operated by the city Parks and Recreation department. Is he still allowed in the parks if his online posts don’t conform? Why should he be based on your logic?

Can his kids use the slipper slide if daddy still runs his website, or does it need to be shut down first?

I'll make this very simple for you. Don't encourage people to genocide against another group of people. That's it. Should be pretty simple to follow.

I don’t do any of those things and I never have. I don’t need it made simple for me, but thanks.

The debate is about the pepper seller. Your argument keeps coming back to whether or not his beliefs are good. My argument is that “holding a correct set of beliefs” is not a standard a city can use to in deciding whether someone has access to a market held on public property, when the persons beliefs are the sole set of criteria being used to exclude him.

(08-24-2023 10:28 PM)Eagleyed Wrote:  

(08-24-2023 10:14 PM)Todor Wrote:  

(08-24-2023 09:54 PM)Eagleyed Wrote:  

(08-24-2023 09:50 PM)Todor Wrote:  

(08-24-2023 09:42 PM)Eagleyed Wrote:  When you are posting about recreating the holocaust that would be too far. This aint simple joke about a group of people or even a derogatory remark about a certain people. Talking about wanting to a kill a group of people is too far. I'm sure most people wouldn't bat an eye if someone who had a discount code called gas the Christians got barred from selling at the local market.

What else should be not be allowed to do? Is there a list?

It’s owned and operated by the city Parks and Recreation department. Is he still allowed in the parks if his online posts don’t conform? Why should he be based on your logic?

Can his kids use the slipper slide if daddy still runs his website, or does it need to be shut down first?

I'll make this very simple for you. Don't encourage people to genocide against another group of people. That's it. Should be pretty simple to follow.

I don’t do any of those things and I never have. I don’t need it made simple for me, but thanks.

The debate is about the pepper seller. Your argument keeps coming back to whether or not his beliefs are good. My argument is that “holding a correct set of beliefs” is not a standard a city can use to in deciding whether someone has access to a market held on public property, when the persons beliefs are the sole set of criteria being used to exclude him.

Well we can go to case law. Encouraging people to kill others has throughout the history of the United States not been protected under the first amendment. It's been tried in countless numbers of cases going way back toward the founding that you cannot encourage people to kill others and be protected by the first amendment.

Had he said something like this group of people is horrible I'd be defending his ability to sell there still. Encouraging a second holocaust or the killing of millions is way more than that.

(08-24-2023 09:43 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  Free speech is free speech or there’s no such thing at all