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Is The Rise Of The Modern American Oligarch Another Sign Of American Decline? - CrimsonPhantom - 05-25-2023 12:59 PM

Quote:Oligarchical societies are unstable societies, as they arise when powerful elites no longer care about the common good and instead pursue their own self-interest. While oligarchs can manipulate the will of the people for some time, the people historically wise up once the abuses become too much to bear.

The revolt of the common people is what oligarchs most fear and they will mobilize all of their political and financial resources to keep it from happening. While this dynamic has been recorded for thousands of years, it is no less relevant to American society today. Modern American oligarchs — who made their billions on Wall Street or in Silicon Valley — will do all that they can to maintain their position under the status quo.

South Carolina Sen. Tim Scott is the latest beneficiary of oligarchical largesse, raising an extraordinary amount of money in the few short days since he announced his presidential campaign in Charleston.

While Scott is relatively unknown on the national scene, he already built up a war chest prior to formally declaring his campaign on Monday. He entered the race with nearly $22 million, more than any previous presidential candidate.



That Scott is flush with cash comes as no surprise given that he has been a favorite of Republican megadonors — modern day oligarchs — since at least 2020. He took in nearly $10 million in each of the two quarters running up to his 2022 Senate re-election campaign. The Opportunity Matters Fund, a pro-Scott super PAC, received millions in contributions from some of the GOP’s most high profile donors: New York hedge fund titan Dan Loeb, Las Vegas hotelier Steve Wynn, and most notably, Oracle’s Larry Ellison, the fourth richest man in the world.

Ellison stands out because he seems to be in with Scott for the long haul. Since the 2022 midterm cycle, he has donated $30 million (then 88% of its total funding) to the Opportunity Matters Fund, now re-branded to Trust In The Mission, or the TIM PAC. Advisors say he is likely to double this contribution over the course of the campaign, but his estimated net worth of over $100 billion means he has unlimited resources to propel Scott across the finish line.

Notably, Ellison supported Florida Sen. Marco Rubio in the 2016 primaries to the tune of $30 million. While he spent millions opposing then-Presidential candidate Donald Trump in that cycle, he eventually warmed up to the former president in the run up to the 2020 election.

Despite the overwhelming funding, and apparent confidence in Scott, he is polling between 1% to 2% across a variety of polls, placing him dead last behind fellow South Carolinian Nikki Haley and businessman Vivek Ramaswamy.

Yet it is unsurprising that he is a favorite of oligarchs like Ellison who are lukewarm on Trump, and have unlimited resources to protect their bottom line. For those elites tired of the Democrats’ governance by class warfare, Scott, who with enough funding could find himself the GOP nominee next year, is a safe bet.

Scott is neither sharply critical nor staunchly defensive of Trump. When pressed by reporters, he said “of course” he would support the former president in 2024 but declined to elaborate. His tone is measured and he presents an optimistic vision for the future of the country. He is not as conciliatory as a Romney or McCain — he’s willing to wade into the culture war. Nevertheless, he is not a flamethrower willing to dig into boldly controversial stances like Trump or Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis.



He is also “a Christian, who is a conservative, and you may have noticed that I’m black,” as he is fond of telling supporters.

Combined, this makes him a formidable contender particularly from the vantage of someone like Ellison. Megadonors throwing their support behind Scott likely assume he is well situated to overtake Trump in the primaries if and when DeSantis collapses. He supports the Trump agenda but not so much that he scares away Independents.

As a black conservative with unshakable faith in God and country, perhaps he can succeed in being the great racial unifier that former President Barack Obama promised to be but failed to become. Perhaps he can even peel away more of the black vote from the elderly white man with a record of lionizing Southern segregationists.

Scott is undoubtedly the epitome of a “good” candidate.

Yet it is possible oligarchs like Ellison are supplanting grassroots realities with their own preferences. Scott is not the populist brawler that an increasingly cynical and bellicose conservative base demands of their politicians. It is not clear that he could overtake Trump in the primary, nor that he could galvanize enough turnout in the general against a Democratic base who truly believes the country is on the precipice of fascism.

Or perhaps billionaires put too much stock in candidate quality. While the corporate media is warm on Scott now, that tone will certainly change if and when he becomes a real contender. The media will revert to calling him the black face of white supremacy, and many will still believe them.

Ellison’s support does not speak to Scott’s record as a politician or a man. He is by all accounts a decent man with a strong conservative record and a powerful story to tell. What it does speak to is the overwhelming power of money in political campaigns. This is nothing new, but it feels more salient after the Covid-BLM era exposed raw corruption at the highest levels of virtually all major American institutions. That oligarchs believe they know best, and have the power to catapult their vision over any grassroots preferences or media constraints reveals the fragility of the current political moment.

Perhaps they are right about Scott’s chances, but perhaps they are not. In fact, it doesn’t really matter. Even if their instincts are right, that does not mean they always will be in future elections. Even if their motives are pure, it does not mean that other monied interests will be. That their vision is more likely to win the day purely due to the depth of their pockets is a bad sign for the future of American politics.

Either America faces a political future where elites like Ellison decide what the voters should want — or the people revolt in volatile ways. The Founders knew that a middle ground was needed for a functioning society and designed a constitutional republic to safeguard against either extreme. Anything but this is not just likely to spell doom — it’s downright un-American.

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RE: Is The Rise Of The Modern American Oligarch Another Sign Of American Decline? - Eagleyed - 05-25-2023 01:04 PM

ok now do all of Biden Billionaire mega donors. Cause it's more than Tim Scott has. There's a reason the richest 10 zip codes in America all are solid blue. The dems just pretend they don't see it.


RE: Is The Rise Of The Modern American Oligarch Another Sign Of American Decline? - b0ndsj0ns - 05-25-2023 01:55 PM

(05-25-2023 01:04 PM)Eagleyed Wrote:  ok now do all of Biden Billionaire mega donors. Cause it's more than Tim Scott has. There's a reason the richest 10 zip codes in America all are solid blue. The dems just pretend they don't see it.

Great, now lets just all agree it's an awful thing and try to do something about it instead of doing the spiderman meme.


RE: Is The Rise Of The Modern American Oligarch Another Sign Of American Decline? - Eagleyed - 05-25-2023 02:12 PM

(05-25-2023 01:55 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  
(05-25-2023 01:04 PM)Eagleyed Wrote:  ok now do all of Biden Billionaire mega donors. Cause it's more than Tim Scott has. There's a reason the richest 10 zip codes in America all are solid blue. The dems just pretend they don't see it.

Great, now lets just all agree it's an awful thing and try to do something about it instead of doing the spiderman meme.

Of course the difference comes down to how to deal with it. The left will vote in more people that will vote for more business regulations killing off the small business competition for large business which will keep these people in power. The number of small banks that have closed down over the years getting consolidated into the big banks is mind blowing. Dodd Frank and many other bills for the win, cause nothing is better than supporting your big bank friends while making the regular people think that they are actually against predatory lending fighting for the small guy.

Same thing with all the other big business. I remember reading the wall street journal where 2 steel companies with dozens of factories were duking it out. One of them had nearly 1/3 of their steel production in a South East country. I think it was Thailand or Vietnam. The other only had 1 factory there. So the steel company with only 1 factory teamed up with the environmentalists from that area and rich libs in the U.S. and ran a lobbying campaign to turn off steel production completely in the country. They suceeded.

Now buildings everywhere are more expensive. A multinational billionaire got richer. Tens of thousands of people lost their jobs in those countries making them poorer. People in the United States got poorer, because now their steel is slightly more and the businesses pass it on to the consumer. But, hey the environment won or something right? The story was just so incredible it was one of the things I'll never forget on how it changed my world view. On how the left uses regulation to keep the big guys in power.

The leftists use the government to support the rich. That's why the rich go along with it. And why the U.S. pumps out over 3 semi trucks worth of regulations on average a year. And the liberals eat that junk up. They think it's actually helping the poor/small businesses when all evidence has shown for years, that small business is closing down.

So no we can't do something about it, because you and I disagree on how to handle it.


RE: Is The Rise Of The Modern American Oligarch Another Sign Of American Decline? - b0ndsj0ns - 05-25-2023 02:36 PM

(05-25-2023 02:12 PM)Eagleyed Wrote:  
(05-25-2023 01:55 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  
(05-25-2023 01:04 PM)Eagleyed Wrote:  ok now do all of Biden Billionaire mega donors. Cause it's more than Tim Scott has. There's a reason the richest 10 zip codes in America all are solid blue. The dems just pretend they don't see it.

Great, now lets just all agree it's an awful thing and try to do something about it instead of doing the spiderman meme.

Of course the difference comes down to how to deal with it. The left will vote in more people that will vote for more business regulations killing off the small business competition for large business which will keep these people in power. The number of small banks that have closed down over the years getting consolidated into the big banks is mind blowing. Dodd Frank and many other bills for the win, cause nothing is better than supporting your big bank friends while making the regular people think that they are actually against predatory lending fighting for the small guy.

Same thing with all the other big business. I remember reading the wall street journal where 2 steel companies with dozens of factories were duking it out. One of them had nearly 1/3 of their steel production in a South East country. I think it was Thailand or Vietnam. The other only had 1 factory there. So the steel company with only 1 factory teamed up with the environmentalists from that area and rich libs in the U.S. and ran a lobbying campaign to turn off steel production completely in the country. They suceeded.

Now buildings everywhere are more expensive. A multinational billionaire got richer. Tens of thousands of people lost their jobs in those countries making them poorer. People in the United States got poorer, because now their steel is slightly more and the businesses pass it on to the consumer. But, hey the environment won or something right? The story was just so incredible it was one of the things I'll never forget on how it changed my world view. On how the left uses regulation to keep the big guys in power.

The leftists use the government to support the rich. That's why the rich go along with it. And why the U.S. pumps out over 3 semi trucks worth of regulations on average a year. And the liberals eat that junk up. They think it's actually helping the poor/small businesses when all evidence has shown for years, that small business is closing down.

So no we can't do something about it, because you and I disagree on how to handle it.

What does that have to do with addressing billionaire megadonors buying candidates?


RE: Is The Rise Of The Modern American Oligarch Another Sign Of American Decline? - Eagleyed - 05-25-2023 03:24 PM

(05-25-2023 02:36 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  
(05-25-2023 02:12 PM)Eagleyed Wrote:  
(05-25-2023 01:55 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  
(05-25-2023 01:04 PM)Eagleyed Wrote:  ok now do all of Biden Billionaire mega donors. Cause it's more than Tim Scott has. There's a reason the richest 10 zip codes in America all are solid blue. The dems just pretend they don't see it.

Great, now lets just all agree it's an awful thing and try to do something about it instead of doing the spiderman meme.

Of course the difference comes down to how to deal with it. The left will vote in more people that will vote for more business regulations killing off the small business competition for large business which will keep these people in power. The number of small banks that have closed down over the years getting consolidated into the big banks is mind blowing. Dodd Frank and many other bills for the win, cause nothing is better than supporting your big bank friends while making the regular people think that they are actually against predatory lending fighting for the small guy.

Same thing with all the other big business. I remember reading the wall street journal where 2 steel companies with dozens of factories were duking it out. One of them had nearly 1/3 of their steel production in a South East country. I think it was Thailand or Vietnam. The other only had 1 factory there. So the steel company with only 1 factory teamed up with the environmentalists from that area and rich libs in the U.S. and ran a lobbying campaign to turn off steel production completely in the country. They suceeded.

Now buildings everywhere are more expensive. A multinational billionaire got richer. Tens of thousands of people lost their jobs in those countries making them poorer. People in the United States got poorer, because now their steel is slightly more and the businesses pass it on to the consumer. But, hey the environment won or something right? The story was just so incredible it was one of the things I'll never forget on how it changed my world view. On how the left uses regulation to keep the big guys in power.

The leftists use the government to support the rich. That's why the rich go along with it. And why the U.S. pumps out over 3 semi trucks worth of regulations on average a year. And the liberals eat that junk up. They think it's actually helping the poor/small businesses when all evidence has shown for years, that small business is closing down.

So no we can't do something about it, because you and I disagree on how to handle it.

What does that have to do with addressing billionaire megadonors buying candidates?

What does rich people supporting a candidate with ads have to do with buying them out? It's their influence on them. When these rich environmentalist groups gave money to support candidates that would shut down industry and helped them get elected they were using their influence on those candidates. They helped them get elected for a reason. I'm not actually understanding your question cause what do you mean what does this have to do with financial influence on politicians? since my entire post was about multinationals using their financial influence on politicians.


RE: Is The Rise Of The Modern American Oligarch Another Sign Of American Decline? - Todor - 05-25-2023 05:01 PM

We only have successful business people, not oligarchs. Oligarch is only a term applied to other countries.

Even though we know money acts pretty much the same no matter where it’s located.


RE: Is The Rise Of The Modern American Oligarch Another Sign Of American Decline? - The Sicatoka - 05-25-2023 05:24 PM

The correct response to the OP thread question is: Duh.