(05-26-2023 10:43 PM)DFW HOYA Wrote:  Without a new stadium, Memphis is on the outside looking in.

(05-27-2023 01:09 AM)ChrisLords Wrote:  In pretty much every scenario I've ever come up with, Memphis gets in the M League. Whether that's 1, 2 or 3 leagues.

With 3 Leagues of 24 teams they get in. It comes down to Temple or Memphis and the M league may already have a Pennsylvania team in the League and a network.

With a P2 and an M2, with SEC and B1G with 24 the B12 and ACC at 12 or more, Memphis gets in the ACC. With SEC and B1G with 20 and the ACC and B12 at 16, Memphis will get in either the ACC or B12.

Don't worry Memphis fans, a better conference will be coming soon (13 years or less).

(05-26-2023 11:36 AM)bill dazzle Wrote:  

(05-25-2023 09:10 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  

(05-25-2023 06:39 PM)roll tide/wave Wrote:  

(05-20-2023 09:45 AM)tigergatorcyclone Wrote:  What are the realistic chances Memphis makes the Big XII with UCONN or the ACC as backfill if FSU and Clemson depart?

PROS
- Carnegie R1 research designation
- New President and Provost and academic momentum
- $350 million for Liberty Bowl and FedEx Forum renovations for Football and Basketball
- New Olympic Sports master plan for upgraded facilities
- Smack dab in SEC territory (9 schools within 6 hour radius)

CONS
- Academic perception and enrollment


- Might be too late
- Football attendance struggles

Thoughts?

Memphis is not going anywhere. You have nothing to offer but a crime ridden city

That's a bit harsh. Were you accosted in Memphis? Is there crime in New Orleans? Anywho, I'd take Memphis in the B12 over Tulane every day and twice on Sunday.

Thanks for the support of Memphis.

It's unfortunate to sometimes see on this board posters (in this case, Roll Tide/Wave) trash cities, universities and/or college athletics programs. Such behavior is juvenile and petty.

(05-27-2023 12:20 PM)GreenFreakUAB Wrote:  

(05-26-2023 11:36 AM)bill dazzle Wrote:  

(05-25-2023 09:10 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  

(05-25-2023 06:39 PM)roll tide/wave Wrote:  

(05-20-2023 09:45 AM)tigergatorcyclone Wrote:  What are the realistic chances Memphis makes the Big XII with UCONN or the ACC as backfill if FSU and Clemson depart?

PROS
- Carnegie R1 research designation
- New President and Provost and academic momentum
- $350 million for Liberty Bowl and FedEx Forum renovations for Football and Basketball
- New Olympic Sports master plan for upgraded facilities
- Smack dab in SEC territory (9 schools within 6 hour radius)

CONS
- Academic perception and enrollment


- Might be too late
- Football attendance struggles

Thoughts?

Memphis is not going anywhere. You have nothing to offer but a crime ridden city

That's a bit harsh. Were you accosted in Memphis? Is there crime in New Orleans? Anywho, I'd take Memphis in the B12 over Tulane every day and twice on Sunday.

Thanks for the support of Memphis.

It's unfortunate to sometimes see on this board posters (in this case, Roll Tide/Wave) trash cities, universities and/or college athletics programs. Such behavior is juvenile and petty.

...crime unfortunately is rough in a lot of spots... The 'Ham is a 'frequent flyer' on the '48 Hours' show, unfortunately (my mom informs me about it - I'm not big on the 'true crime' shows myself) - but I WILL note that the Birmingham TV stations newscasts more or less have daily segments for 'Crimes Today in Tuscaloosa' which sometimes outlast the 'Ham crime segments... so... sad but true, y'all...

(05-27-2023 01:09 AM)ChrisLords Wrote:  In pretty much every scenario I've ever come up with, Memphis gets in the M League. Whether that's 1, 2 or 3 leagues.

With 3 Leagues of 24 teams they get in. It comes down to Temple or Memphis and the M league may already have a Pennsylvania team in the League and a network.

With a P2 and an M2, with SEC and B1G with 24 the B12 and ACC at 12 or more, Memphis gets in the ACC. With SEC and B1G with 20 and the ACC and B12 at 16, Memphis will get in either the ACC or B12.

Don't worry Memphis fans, a better conference will be coming soon (13 years or less).

(05-20-2023 08:28 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  Memphis would definitely get my support. They just missed the most recent call-up cut. Their football program was clicking on all cylinders under Fuentes [departed for VaTech] and Norvell [FSU]. They can be great again in a better conference with a better head coach. Hoops? Very consistently good with a great overall history. Again, put them in a better conference...geographically they are a bridge between the eastern and western B12 schools. What did Ace Ventura say about fit? Like a guh-love!

(05-20-2023 07:58 PM)Once a Knight... Wrote:  Memphis and USF should be the next two in the B12, if P12/ACC defections are off the table. After that I'm not sure who the next two B12 additions would be. Maybe Fresno St and UNLV or something, or stay at 14 for the time being with just Memphis and USF until things further play out.

Memphis and also USF are likely top backfill candidates for a partially depleted ACC.

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(05-26-2023 07:12 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  

(05-26-2023 05:15 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  

(05-26-2023 11:36 AM)bill dazzle Wrote:  Thanks for the support of Memphis.

It's unfortunate to sometimes see on this board posters (in this case, Roll Tide/Wave) trash cities, universities and/or college athletics programs. Such behavior is juvenile and petty.

No problem Bill. I can't speak for all Bearcats fans obviously, but many of us have an affinity for Memphis due to our long history together throughout various conferences and a rivalry mostly built on hoops. Outside of Louisville, I can't think of any other past school that I would like to keep playing than the Tigers. If they were to get in the B12 at some point then that would be gravy!

Thanks for responding, UCGrad1992. If you haven't seen my previous posts, ... my parents attended the University of Memphis; my brother, the University of Cincinnati; my brother's wife, the University of Louisville. Our family cheers for all three schools. It would be wonderful to see the three schools aligned in the Big 12.

(05-27-2023 12:20 PM)GreenFreakUAB Wrote:  

(05-26-2023 11:36 AM)bill dazzle Wrote:  

(05-25-2023 09:10 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  

(05-25-2023 06:39 PM)roll tide/wave Wrote:  

(05-20-2023 09:45 AM)tigergatorcyclone Wrote:  What are the realistic chances Memphis makes the Big XII with UCONN or the ACC as backfill if FSU and Clemson depart?

PROS
- Carnegie R1 research designation
- New President and Provost and academic momentum
- $350 million for Liberty Bowl and FedEx Forum renovations for Football and Basketball
- New Olympic Sports master plan for upgraded facilities
- Smack dab in SEC territory (9 schools within 6 hour radius)

CONS
- Academic perception and enrollment


- Might be too late
- Football attendance struggles

Thoughts?

Memphis is not going anywhere. You have nothing to offer but a crime ridden city

That's a bit harsh. Were you accosted in Memphis? Is there crime in New Orleans? Anywho, I'd take Memphis in the B12 over Tulane every day and twice on Sunday.

Thanks for the support of Memphis.

It's unfortunate to sometimes see on this board posters (in this case, Roll Tide/Wave) trash cities, universities and/or college athletics programs. Such behavior is juvenile and petty.

...crime unfortunately is rough in a lot of spots... The 'Ham is a 'frequent flyer' on the '48 Hours' show, unfortunately (my mom informs me about it - I'm not big on the 'true crime' shows myself) - but I WILL note that the Birmingham TV stations newscasts more or less have daily segments for 'Crimes Today in Tuscaloosa' which sometimes outlast the 'Ham crime segments... so... sad but true, y'all...

(05-27-2023 05:17 PM)Porcine Wrote:  

(05-26-2023 07:12 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  

(05-26-2023 05:15 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  

(05-26-2023 11:36 AM)bill dazzle Wrote:  Thanks for the support of Memphis.

It's unfortunate to sometimes see on this board posters (in this case, Roll Tide/Wave) trash cities, universities and/or college athletics programs. Such behavior is juvenile and petty.

No problem Bill. I can't speak for all Bearcats fans obviously, but many of us have an affinity for Memphis due to our long history together throughout various conferences and a rivalry mostly built on hoops. Outside of Louisville, I can't think of any other past school that I would like to keep playing than the Tigers. If they were to get in the B12 at some point then that would be gravy!

Thanks for responding, UCGrad1992. If you haven't seen my previous posts, ... my parents attended the University of Memphis; my brother, the University of Cincinnati; my brother's wife, the University of Louisville. Our family cheers for all three schools. It would be wonderful to see the three schools aligned in the Big 12.

IF there is just one M conference, then all the old rivalries, like the Metro, can get back together.

(05-25-2023 06:39 PM)roll tide/wave Wrote:  

(05-20-2023 09:45 AM)tigergatorcyclone Wrote:  What are the realistic chances Memphis makes the Big XII with UCONN or the ACC as backfill if FSU and Clemson depart?

PROS
- Carnegie R1 research designation
- New President and Provost and academic momentum
- $350 million for Liberty Bowl and FedEx Forum renovations for Football and Basketball
- New Olympic Sports master plan for upgraded facilities
- Smack dab in SEC territory (9 schools within 6 hour radius)

CONS
- Academic perception and enrollment


- Might be too late
- Football attendance struggles

Thoughts?

Memphis is not going anywhere. You have nothing to offer but a crime ridden city

(05-21-2023 02:59 PM)Pervis_Griffith Wrote:  

(05-21-2023 02:36 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(05-21-2023 01:49 PM)Pervis_Griffith Wrote:  

(05-21-2023 11:06 AM)Acres Wrote:  The big12 is projected to be 30 million dollars behind its SEC counterparts per school. Why would big12 presidents agree to dig themselves into deeper financial hole by adding schools that are more dilutive to the new contract. Let’s make sense here.

Secondly ESPN has a prorata clause for P5 schools additions only. Where will the conference obtain revenue to add more G5 schools. Espn has said they are not paying for adding G5 schools to the league

Thirdly, big12 presidents have historically said no to expansion with G5 schools. Their hands were forced in this go around because they absolutely needed to, to survive. Now that they have a contract, why would they decide to be further diluted.

There is a constant dribble planted by detractors that want big12 need to add more G5 schools. The narrative is that doing so weakens it’s perception relative to other 3 conferences. Too bad, it’s not going to work. The conference, is more strategically placed, going forward relative to other 3 , financially with contracts with espn and fox.

Either pac12 schools or no expansion.

It's the power of Yormark.

He can sell ice to eskimos.

He has the Big XII feeling their oats right now because they -- get this -- beat out the PAC12.


And when he strikes out on nabbing ANY PAC schools, and when he realizes that the ACC is off the table til at least 2030 ....

He'll convince those presidents that - in order to remain stable - they need to add those 4 schools.

Fresno State -- gets them Cali.
Boise State -- gets them some football cred
Memphis -- shoulda already been in
USF -- another toe in the 3rd biggest state in the country



Then he'll bounce to some other sports project ...

I think UConn, Memphis, UNLV, and SDSU make much more sense than the schools you listed. South Florida is redundant, Boise State is yesterday’s news and a low ceiling (sorry, David). Now Fresno State makes sense is SDSU is off the table.

Yeah ... SDSU and SMU will be PAC members. I didn't put it in that post above, but have elsewhere. This helps stabilize the PAC.

And in my opinion, UConn stays put. The Big XII will kick the tires, and will notice all that debt UConn is carrying. UConn can save face by sticking with the reasoning they used to put them where they are ... and it's resulted in a hoops title, and stability there. UConn fans will be okay with this. They can dig out of their debt, rather than take on more by complying with any Big XII demands.

So ... minus those two ...

AND taking into consideration that Yormark has made no secret of his desire for a coast to coast conference foot print ... I settle on those 4 ...

Fresno (get them Cali and Pacific time zone)
Boise (football cred and attractive match ups with BYU and Fresno for TV)
Memphis (an obvious add with commitment to facilities already being shown)
USF (to pair with UCF, and add another Eastern time zone partner with WVU and Cincy)

South Florida also gets you Tampa, where Central Florida gets you Orlando. Planting flags in 2 of the bigger markets in the third largest state in the country isn't a bad thing ...

And besides ... Yormark can sell anything.

(05-27-2023 05:28 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  

(05-27-2023 05:17 PM)Porcine Wrote:  IF there is just one M conference, then all the old rivalries, like the Metro, can get back together.

That would be strong.

(05-27-2023 06:29 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  

(05-27-2023 05:28 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  

(05-27-2023 05:17 PM)Porcine Wrote:  IF there is just one M conference, then all the old rivalries, like the Metro, can get back together.

That would be strong.

The Metro. Remember this composition for hoops?

Charter Members
Georgia Tech [1975-1979]
St. Louis [1975-1982]
Cincinnati [1975-1991]
Memphis State [1975-1991]
Louisville [1975-1995]
Tulane [1975-1995]

Later Members
Florida State [1976-1991]
Virginia Tech [1979-1995]
Southern Miss [1982-1995]
South Carolina [1983-1991]
Charlotte [1991-1995]
South Florida [1991-1995]
VCU [1991-1995]

(05-27-2023 05:27 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  I like the Ham. A fine city. Underrated. Good People Beer ... quality.

(05-29-2023 10:23 PM)OhioBoilermaker Wrote:  

(05-27-2023 05:27 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  I like the Ham. A fine city. Underrated. Good People Beer ... quality.

Dazzle, what are your top 5 underrated (American) cities?

(05-30-2023 07:05 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  The Daily Memphian published a clear-eyed 5/30/23 column about the likelihood of Memphis receiving a Big 12 call up,. In sum, it is possible but unlikely due to a chain of events which must occur without any break in the chain.

Namely: the PAC 12 and AAC must hold together, SD St and SMU must go to the PAC 12, UConn declines, and Memphis beats out other schools like UNLV.

Rationally, the odds look slim.

https://dailymemphian.com/subscriber/section/sportsmemphis-tigers-football/article/36400/tim-buckley-university-of-memphis-tigers-big-12-conference