(08-03-2023 10:44 PM)esayem Wrote:  Adding just Cal and Stanford is the most ACC thing possible, therefore I foresee it happening. Who needs FSU’s vote?

Throw the ND at Cal/Stanford games on the ACCN.

(08-03-2023 07:26 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(08-02-2023 11:44 PM)SouthernConfBoy Wrote:  

(08-02-2023 11:33 PM)tj_2009 Wrote:  

(08-02-2023 11:22 PM)random asian guy Wrote:  

Looks like UA and ASU are gone. Yormark would want Oregon for #16. His fallback option would be Utah, SDSU or UConn.

The Pac X would lose the P status. The ACC would become the smallest P legaue with some member(s) actively trying to leave.

So what’s your move, Phillips?

I think the odds are that the ACC does nothing. Some schools like Virginia and North Carolina have no reason to do anything as they are going to be in either the B1G or SEC when the ACC gets raided. Some other schools think they may get picked by either the SEC or B1G (Clemson, FSU, NC State, VT) but there are plenty of reasons why they might get passed over by both the B1G and SEC. The rest of the ACC are likely stuck picking up the pieces or joining the Big XII.

Only morons beg to increase their costs 50% for a 20% bump in income. This is why Clemson is not running its mouth - they are not morons.

Carolina and UVa will not pay to compete for Big Ten or SEC football titles. They have not been “all-in” to be a juggernaut since the SAT rule in my opinion. Carolina has always fielded competitive football teams and scheduled fellow power conference schools, but they will not pay the amount of money necessary to compete with Georgia, Alabama, Texas, Penn State, Ohio State, and Michigan.

You could fit Carolina’s capacity almost twice inside of Penn State and Michigan’s stadium. It would be a disaster to play in those conferences when the ACC offers a route to the playoffs. Virginia must understand the same.

(08-03-2023 02:56 PM)connecticutguy Wrote:  Why do you think Stanford would ever want to join the ACC? Perhaps Wash State and Oregon State would consider it if their only option was the Mountain West. I think most of these well-known west coast schools would rather be independent especially if FSU and Clemson leave and the TV deal is renegotiated. When the ACC realizes the clarity of the situation it should reach out to UConn, if it is available, and perhaps Tulane. If there is more room see if Army and Navy can join football only.

(08-03-2023 10:49 PM)SouthernConfBoy Wrote:  

(08-03-2023 10:44 PM)esayem Wrote:  Adding just Cal and Stanford is the most ACC thing possible, therefore I foresee it happening. Who needs FSU’s vote?

Throw the ND at Cal/Stanford games on the ACCN.

I highlighted the main points Teel was told to convey. FSU is out with the only question being how long they are tolerated and how much we will charge them.

(08-04-2023 06:20 AM)dgrace4cards Wrote:  With the B10 offering a majorly discounted 35-40 mil a year to Ore/Wash probably ramping up some each year until next contract to where they'd be made whole. Also heard they can borrow more off that from B10 and pay it back when the yearly payouts for them are larger....

I wonder if there is a window for the ACC to sell the idea of an easier path to the playoffs and be paid full amount in ACC from the start. I believe those first five years or so would be more than what B10 would pay them. Would bring along others from out west with them to give them a pod of teams.

It should at least be a sales pitch from ACC to them after hearing what B10 is proposing to them.

(08-04-2023 07:01 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(08-04-2023 06:20 AM)dgrace4cards Wrote:  With the B10 offering a majorly discounted 35-40 mil a year to Ore/Wash probably ramping up some each year until next contract to where they'd be made whole. Also heard they can borrow more off that from B10 and pay it back when the yearly payouts for them are larger....

I wonder if there is a window for the ACC to sell the idea of an easier path to the playoffs and be paid full amount in ACC from the start. I believe those first five years or so would be more than what B10 would pay them. Would bring along others from out west with them to give them a pod of teams.

It should at least be a sales pitch from ACC to them after hearing what B10 is proposing to them.

The ACC has tried to placate FSU already and the only thing that Florida State has done is spit in the ACC's face.

(08-04-2023 11:51 AM)random asian guy Wrote:  OR/UW are gone.

Maybe Esayem was right. How about Cal/Stanford to the ACC then?

(08-04-2023 01:38 PM)SouthernConfBoy Wrote:  Each ACC school pockets about $5 m more per year by adding Cal, Stanford, Utah, and ASU. The profit is off the ACCN added in states with 52 million people.

It would bring the metros of SF, SLC, LV, LA, SD, and Phoenix into the ACC world. No ACC school would go out there to play a football but once every other year.

There is only one school that I know would vote against them - FSU.
Clemson may or may not vote against them.
Since a vote would be held knowing that eventually FSU needs to be put out of the league, life without them has to be the voting basis, not a vote to placate them.

They could easily get 13 of 15 votes.

ND, Duke, UVa, BC, Syracuse, Pitt, Louisville, WF, and GT are sure yes votes.
UNC and NC State likely support them. Now you at 11 with Miami, Clemson, VT, and FSU possible no votes.

Something would be developed to deal with Cal but I'm sure the legal brain trust at WF, Duke, UNC, and UVa have something up their sleeve - perhaps something filed in Nevada at Las Vegas (mid point between the four schools) that puts the four in a sub contract situation where they are a legal component unit of the ACC in NC. Keeps California crazy at arms length.

(08-04-2023 02:00 PM)OrangemanRich Wrote:  

(08-04-2023 01:38 PM)SouthernConfBoy Wrote:  Each ACC school pockets about $5 m more per year by adding Cal, Stanford, Utah, and ASU. The profit is off the ACCN added in states with 52 million people.

It would bring the metros of SF, SLC, LV, LA, SD, and Phoenix into the ACC world. No ACC school would go out there to play a football but once every other year.

There is only one school that I know would vote against them - FSU.
Clemson may or may not vote against them.
Since a vote would be held knowing that eventually FSU needs to be put out of the league, life without them has to be the voting basis, not a vote to placate them.

They could easily get 13 of 15 votes.

ND, Duke, UVa, BC, Syracuse, Pitt, Louisville, WF, and GT are sure yes votes.
UNC and NC State likely support them. Now you at 11 with Miami, Clemson, VT, and FSU possible no votes.

Something would be developed to deal with Cal but I'm sure the legal brain trust at WF, Duke, UNC, and UVa have something up their sleeve - perhaps something filed in Nevada at Las Vegas (mid point between the four schools) that puts the four in a sub contract situation where they are a legal component unit of the ACC in NC. Keeps California crazy at arms length.

Are those #s better or worse upon swapping in SMU for Cal?

(08-03-2023 10:52 PM)tj_2009 Wrote:  

(08-03-2023 07:26 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(08-02-2023 11:44 PM)SouthernConfBoy Wrote:  

(08-02-2023 11:33 PM)tj_2009 Wrote:  

(08-02-2023 11:22 PM)random asian guy Wrote:  

Looks like UA and ASU are gone. Yormark would want Oregon for #16. His fallback option would be Utah, SDSU or UConn.

The Pac X would lose the P status. The ACC would become the smallest P legaue with some member(s) actively trying to leave.

So what’s your move, Phillips?

I think the odds are that the ACC does nothing. Some schools like Virginia and North Carolina have no reason to do anything as they are going to be in either the B1G or SEC when the ACC gets raided. Some other schools think they may get picked by either the SEC or B1G (Clemson, FSU, NC State, VT) but there are plenty of reasons why they might get passed over by both the B1G and SEC. The rest of the ACC are likely stuck picking up the pieces or joining the Big XII.

Only morons beg to increase their costs 50% for a 20% bump in income. This is why Clemson is not running its mouth - they are not morons.

Carolina and UVa will not pay to compete for Big Ten or SEC football titles. They have not been “all-in” to be a juggernaut since the SAT rule in my opinion. Carolina has always fielded competitive football teams and scheduled fellow power conference schools, but they will not pay the amount of money necessary to compete with Georgia, Alabama, Texas, Penn State, Ohio State, and Michigan.

You could fit Carolina’s capacity almost twice inside of Penn State and Michigan’s stadium. It would be a disaster to play in those conferences when the ACC offers a route to the playoffs. Virginia must understand the same.

I think Virginia and Carolina probably realize they may not be able to compete in the SEC or B1G but the difference in payouts $70 million vs $40 million (ACC) will help them decide to jump to either the SEC or B1G closer to the end of the grant of rights in 2036.

(08-02-2023 11:22 PM)random asian guy Wrote:  

Looks like UA and ASU are gone. Yormark would want Oregon for #16. His fallback option would be Utah, SDSU or UConn.

The Pac X would lose the P status. The ACC would become the smallest P legaue with some member(s) actively trying to leave.

So what’s your move, Phillips?