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RE: Is the expansion still an option for the ACC? - JRsec - 03-02-2023 02:41 PM

(03-02-2023 02:26 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:
(03-01-2023 10:48 PM)GarnetAndBlue Wrote: Where is Jim Phillips and what is he doing?

She's made of iron, sir - I assure you, she can.

Phillips spin, "I want to announce we have had a windfall in pure glacial ice!"

RE: Is the expansion still an option for the ACC? - XLance - 03-02-2023 03:22 PM

Back to the OP.

I think the ACC would expand if they could find the right school(s) that would fit and bring "market".

RE: Is the expansion still an option for the ACC? - JRsec - 03-02-2023 03:37 PM

(03-02-2023 03:22 PM)XLance Wrote: Back to the OP.

I think the ACC would expand if they could find the right school(s) that would fit and bring "market".

I don't like the PAC 12 approach, but, if the ACC did let Clemson and FSU go, perhaps even with a couple more, you could add the core academically elite PAC schools and likely enjoy the relationship.

Arizona, Arizona State, California, Colorado, Oregon, Stanford, Utah, Washington

Duke, North Carolina, N.C. State, Pittsburgh, Syracuse, Virginia, Virginia Tech, Wake Forest.

Perhaps you could convince B.C. to go partial with Notre Dame.

Meanwhile Clemson, Florida State, Georgia Tech, Louisville, and Miami could be shopped to the SEC and Big 12.

Or you could keep twelve and add 6.

Boston College, Louisville, Miami, Pittsburgh, Syracuse, Virginia Tech

Duke, Georgia Tech, North Carolina, N.C. State, Virginia, Wake Forest

Arizona, California, Colorado, Oregon, Stanford, Utah

Washington and Notre Dame to the Big 10 (which is likely IMO)
Clemson and FSU to the SEC.

RE: Is the expansion still an option for the ACC? - random asian guy - 03-02-2023 11:50 PM

(03-02-2023 03:22 PM)XLance Wrote: Back to the OP.

I think the ACC would expand if they could find the right school(s) that would fit and bring "market".

What about Colorado and Utah?

These are two Pac schools that won’t get an invite from the B1G and do not want to join the B12. Would they fit and bring market?

RE: Is the expansion still an option for the ACC? - XLance - 03-03-2023 05:43 AM

With an eye to a P1 conference, after pay for play passes(?).
This pay for play conference will number no more than 24.
https://www.foxsports.com/stories/college-football/heres-what-college-football-will-look-like-in-2026

After the ACC/SEC merger the teams would be broken down into two divisions that would be easiest to accommodate the coming split that would eventually form a pay-for-play division

Miami, FSU, Clemson, Florida, Georgia, Tennessee, Alabama, Auburn, LSU, Arkansas, Texas, Texas A&M, Oklahoma, and temporary addition Ole Miss/Miss State.

This leaves the non-scholarship division:
Boston College, Syracuse, Pitt, UVa, VT, Wake Forest, Duke, NC State, Carolina, South Carolina, GT, Kentucky, Louisville, Vanderbilt, Ole Miss/Miss State, Missouri.

When the P1 is actually formed, the Mississippi school would then join the non-scholarship division with Tulane to form an 18 team league.

RE: Is the expansion still an option for the ACC? - GoWulfPak - 03-03-2023 09:17 AM

John Skipper recently said in an interview that the ACC should pick up 10 PAC schools.

His opinion means a lot more than internet commissioners (including mine).

RE: Is the expansion still an option for the ACC? - esayem - 03-03-2023 11:26 AM

(03-03-2023 09:17 AM)GoWulfPak Wrote: John Skipper recently said in an interview that the ACC should pick up 10 PAC schools.

His opinion means a lot more than internet commissioners (including mine).

Well. We could do something crazy like that and have the conference tournament in two separate locations with the finals as a one-off made-for-TV deal in Vegas.

Pacific - Oakland
Tuesday through Friday

Atlantic - Greensboro
Monday through Friday

Saturday - off

Finals in Vegas Sunday

That's just if every school qualifies.

RE: Is the expansion still an option for the ACC? - esayem - 03-03-2023 11:28 PM

Mr. esayem’s Expansion Shortlist:

SMU - deep pockets, Texas carriage

West Virginia - solid brand, would pay the exit fee to join Pitt & Syracuse

Villanova - further info needed regarding ACCN carriage $ in PA

This is not considering the Pac schools.

First four out:

Tulane, Rice, Navy, Temple

Next four out:

UConn, Army, S. FLA, Memphis

RE: Is the expansion still an option for the ACC? - Schema - 03-04-2023 03:07 AM

(03-03-2023 09:17 AM)GoWulfPak Wrote: John Skipper recently said in an interview that the ACC should pick up 10 PAC schools.

His opinion means a lot more than internet commissioners (including mine).

Technically, he suggested getting 8 PAC teams, but then he said move to a 24 team conference. So, he either meant to say 10 PAC schools, or maybe he is thinking 8 PAC schools and 2 others from somewhere else. Based on his reasoning, perhaps he is thinking of someone in Texas to get the ACCN at full rate in that state as well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-udD5zUcvD0

RE: Is the expansion still an option for the ACC? - XLance - 03-04-2023 07:51 AM

(03-03-2023 11:28 PM)esayem Wrote: Mr. esayem’s Expansion Shortlist:

SMU - deep pockets, Texas carriage

West Virginia - solid brand, would pay the exit fee to join Pitt & Syracuse

Villanova - further info needed regarding ACCN carriage $ in PA

This is not considering the Pac schools.

First four out:

Tulane, Rice, Navy, Temple

Next four out:

UConn, Army, S. FLA, Memphis

Since the ACC is at 14, and it appears that 16 is the magic number for now, also assuming that none of the Big 12 schools are available, and without moving on the PAC: SMU and Tulane.

Note: according to Skipper, Pitt gives max ACCN rate, Villanova won't help.
West Virginia wouldn't have enough cable households to help with the ACCN bottom line.
The ACC probably should have moved on Cincinnati, even as a single add.

RE: Is the expansion still an option for the ACC? - esayem - 03-04-2023 08:31 AM

(03-04-2023 07:51 AM)XLance Wrote:
(03-03-2023 11:28 PM)esayem Wrote: Mr. esayem’s Expansion Shortlist:

SMU - deep pockets, Texas carriage

West Virginia - solid brand, would pay the exit fee to join Pitt & Syracuse

Villanova - further info needed regarding ACCN carriage $ in PA

This is not considering the Pac schools.

First four out:

Tulane, Rice, Navy, Temple

Next four out:

UConn, Army, S. FLA, Memphis

Since the ACC is at 14, and it appears that 16 is the magic number for now, also assuming that none of the Big 12 schools are available, and without moving on the PAC: SMU and Tulane.

Note: according to Skipper, Pitt gives max ACCN rate, Villanova won't help.
West Virginia wouldn't have enough cable households to help with the ACCN bottom line.
The ACC probably should have moved on Cincinnati, even as a single add.

Good points.

Miami (OH) it is!

RE: Is the expansion still an option for the ACC? - XLance - 03-04-2023 09:50 AM

(03-04-2023 08:31 AM)esayem Wrote:
(03-04-2023 07:51 AM)XLance Wrote:
(03-03-2023 11:28 PM)esayem Wrote: Mr. esayem’s Expansion Shortlist:

SMU - deep pockets, Texas carriage

West Virginia - solid brand, would pay the exit fee to join Pitt & Syracuse

Villanova - further info needed regarding ACCN carriage $ in PA

This is not considering the Pac schools.

First four out:

Tulane, Rice, Navy, Temple

Next four out:

UConn, Army, S. FLA, Memphis

Since the ACC is at 14, and it appears that 16 is the magic number for now, also assuming that none of the Big 12 schools are available, and without moving on the PAC: SMU and Tulane.

Note: according to Skipper, Pitt gives max ACCN rate, Villanova won't help.
West Virginia wouldn't have enough cable households to help with the ACCN bottom line.
The ACC probably should have moved on Cincinnati, even as a single add.

Good points.

Miami (OH) it is!

One of Moll's original Public Ivies.

RE: Is the expansion still an option for the ACC? - random asian guy - 03-04-2023 12:54 PM

(03-04-2023 07:51 AM)XLance Wrote:
(03-03-2023 11:28 PM)esayem Wrote: Mr. esayem’s Expansion Shortlist:

SMU - deep pockets, Texas carriage

West Virginia - solid brand, would pay the exit fee to join Pitt & Syracuse

Villanova - further info needed regarding ACCN carriage $ in PA

This is not considering the Pac schools.

First four out:

Tulane, Rice, Navy, Temple

Next four out:

UConn, Army, S. FLA, Memphis

Since the ACC is at 14, and it appears that 16 is the magic number for now, also assuming that none of the Big 12 schools are available, and without moving on the PAC: SMU and Tulane.

Note: according to Skipper, Pitt gives max ACCN rate, Villanova won't help.
West Virginia wouldn't have enough cable households to help with the ACCN bottom line.
The ACC probably should have moved on Cincinnati, even as a single add.

The ACC should have raided the B12. TCU is better than SMU and Cincy is a good choice.

If the Pac anyhow manages to get a media deal and sign the GoR for five years or so, that would be good. The ACC can wait and strike the B12 (or Pac) in 2029 or so. But if the Pac collapses and the B12 adds some schools and becomes stronger, that would be the worst outcome for the ACC.

Phillips and the ACC leaders should take the B12 very seriously. The ACC is stronger as of now, but the B12 + select Pac schools may give them an upper hand. And you know how eager their fans are to raid the ACC to prove their worth. They have a chip on their shoulder.

RE: Is the expansion still an option for the ACC? - random asian guy - 03-04-2023 01:02 PM

(03-04-2023 03:07 AM)Schema Wrote:
(03-03-2023 09:17 AM)GoWulfPak Wrote: John Skipper recently said in an interview that the ACC should pick up 10 PAC schools.

His opinion means a lot more than internet commissioners (including mine).

Technically, he suggested getting 8 PAC teams, but then he said move to a 24 team conference. So, he either meant to say 10 PAC schools, or maybe he is thinking 8 PAC schools and 2 others from somewhere else. Based on his reasoning, perhaps he is thinking of someone in Texas to get the ACCN at full rate in that state as well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-udD5zUcvD0

Yup. Basically he is endorsing a market based expansion approach, which was considered outdated by some posters.

If the west coast is too far and the pac time zone is too much, I would like to take the following four schools in MST and CST.

Colorado, ASU, Utah, and SMU

And in 2029, the ACC can take two more schools from the B12. This would ensure the survival of the ACC.

But it is rumored that Utah is leaving for the B12. So we will see.

RE: Is the expansion still an option for the ACC? - CardFan1 - 03-05-2023 09:55 AM

ACC should have moved on Houston, Cincinnati before the Big 12 did . Houston already played on the East coast in the AAC so They would have jumped at the chance now they are both locked in the Big 12. There are still a few markets left in the AAC that could bring in new ACC network revenue that would open up a few states to the network but likely not inspiring a lot of fans on here. But our options are dwindling yearly and the PAC is still having a lot of uncertainties with the B1G and Big 12 licking their chops at taking the best ones if the reports are true with Oregon,Washington to the B1G and Colorado, Utah,and the AZ twins seriously mulling over a move to the Big 12. None of the remaining schools woul be of much interest by themselves to the ACC .

RE: Is the expansion still an option for the ACC? - Garrettabc - 03-05-2023 11:31 AM

If UW, OU go to the B1G and the 4c schools go the Big12, then the ACC just adds Cal and Stanford. They should add to the ACC pie and be worth just enough to make the long distance worth it.

RE: Is the expansion still an option for the ACC? - GoWulfPak - 03-06-2023 08:02 AM

(03-05-2023 11:31 AM)Garrettabc Wrote: If UW, OU go to the B1G and the 4c schools go the Big12, then the ACC just adds Cal and Stanford. They should add to the ACC pie and be worth just enough to make the long distance worth it.

Just Cal and Stanford ?

No thanks

RE: Is the expansion still an option for the ACC? - Garrettabc - 03-06-2023 09:19 AM

(03-06-2023 08:02 AM)GoWulfPak Wrote:
(03-05-2023 11:31 AM)Garrettabc Wrote: If UW, OU go to the B1G and the 4c schools go the Big12, then the ACC just adds Cal and Stanford. They should add to the ACC pie and be worth just enough to make the long distance worth it.

Just Cal and Stanford ?

No thanks

They bring an extra ND game.

RE: Is the expansion still an option for the ACC? - CardFan1 - 03-06-2023 09:29 AM

(03-06-2023 09:19 AM)Garrettabc Wrote:
(03-06-2023 08:02 AM)GoWulfPak Wrote:
(03-05-2023 11:31 AM)Garrettabc Wrote: If UW, OU go to the B1G and the 4c schools go the Big12, then the ACC just adds Cal and Stanford. They should add to the ACC pie and be worth just enough to make the long distance worth it.

Just Cal and Stanford ?

No thanks

They bring an extra ND game.

Give the 4 corners and the 2Cali schools the option between the ACC and Big 12 . 6 are better than 2

RE: Is the expansion still an option for the ACC? - Schema - 03-06-2023 09:37 AM

(03-06-2023 08:02 AM)GoWulfPak Wrote: Just Cal and Stanford ?

No thanks

From the viewpoint of the existing ACC schools, this would actually be fine since it would require fewer trips out West for all sports. However, I can't imagine that Cal and Stanford would want to make all of those trips East without any other local conference schools.

The big thing, however, is that it would only add one additional state for the full pay rate of ACCN. I think to make this even worth exploring, you would need to add several new populated states where you could start receiving full rates for ACCN.