(12-05-2022 11:09 AM)Johns1124 Wrote:  Until realignment yes. SB is not heads above the SB, if you say so your just kidding yourself. In my opinion, SB is App. State and everyone else. Sort of like MTW is Boise and everyone else.

The problem lies, now we are stuck for the better part of 10 years no matter what direction the conference goes. Ask yourself this if the opportunity to go to the AAC came up today would you go? Hell yes, you would like everyone else. It was the better option. We only jumped at the SB wh that door seemed closed.

My concern is, the NCAA will have a final re-alignment, and there will be a few conferences dropping down to an FCS or equivalent. CUSA and SB will be both on the chopping block. I think it would haven't been an easier way to be picked up by a bigger conference who will be staying if we don't have suck a binding contractwith the SB.

(12-05-2022 11:23 AM)forphase1 Wrote:  

(12-05-2022 11:09 AM)Johns1124 Wrote:  Until realignment yes. SB is not heads above the SB, if you say so your just kidding yourself. In my opinion, SB is App. State and everyone else. Sort of like MTW is Boise and everyone else.

The problem lies, now we are stuck for the better part of 10 years no matter what direction the conference goes. Ask yourself this if the opportunity to go to the AAC came up today would you go? Hell yes, you would like everyone else. It was the better option. We only jumped at the SB wh that door seemed closed.

My concern is, the NCAA will have a final re-alignment, and there will be a few conferences dropping down to an FCS or equivalent. CUSA and SB will be both on the chopping block. I think it would haven't been an easier way to be picked up by a bigger conference who will be staying if we don't have suck a binding contractwith the SB.

Oh yes, the SB is heads above CUSA. If you can't see that, then this conversation is over as there is no reasoning with ya. Still love ya as a Marshall fan, but...geez.

As to the AAC, I'm honestly not sure I'd rather be there. Other than Memphis and ECU, there isn't really anything there I'd care to play on a regular basis. All are either snobby privates (Tulsa, Tulane, etc), crappy programs (Temple) or recent CUSA trash that I'm happy to be away from now (Charlotte, etc). Navy would be nice, but since they are in the west we'd rarely play them anyway.

As to the rest of your post, we are in a better position now to move up than if we'd stayed in that sinking CUSA ship. If such a realignment as you propose happens, being in CUSA or Sun Belt would not make a bit of difference as to our attractiveness to whatever 'bigger conference' is looking at us. As we showed with CUSA, contracts are made to be broken if necessary. Though I doubt such a situation happens. If there is a break away of the top teams, I doubt we are included, regardless of what conference we may currently reside in.

(12-05-2022 10:54 AM)Johns1124 Wrote:  I'll say it:

I think coming to the Sunbelt was not the best option.


Before we moved, I stated we should wait out to CUSA and see what develops with the NCAA transition fallout. Now I believe more and more that should have been the play.

(12-05-2022 11:51 AM)Johns1124 Wrote:  

(12-05-2022 11:23 AM)forphase1 Wrote:  

(12-05-2022 11:09 AM)Johns1124 Wrote:  Until realignment yes. SB is not heads above the SB, if you say so your just kidding yourself. In my opinion, SB is App. State and everyone else. Sort of like MTW is Boise and everyone else.

The problem lies, now we are stuck for the better part of 10 years no matter what direction the conference goes. Ask yourself this if the opportunity to go to the AAC came up today would you go? Hell yes, you would like everyone else. It was the better option. We only jumped at the SB wh that door seemed closed.

My concern is, the NCAA will have a final re-alignment, and there will be a few conferences dropping down to an FCS or equivalent. CUSA and SB will be both on the chopping block. I think it would haven't been an easier way to be picked up by a bigger conference who will be staying if we don't have suck a binding contractwith the SB.

Oh yes, the SB is heads above CUSA. If you can't see that, then this conversation is over as there is no reasoning with ya. Still love ya as a Marshall fan, but...geez.

As to the AAC, I'm honestly not sure I'd rather be there. Other than Memphis and ECU, there isn't really anything there I'd care to play on a regular basis. All are either snobby privates (Tulsa, Tulane, etc), crappy programs (Temple) or recent CUSA trash that I'm happy to be away from now (Charlotte, etc). Navy would be nice, but since they are in the west we'd rarely play them anyway.

As to the rest of your post, we are in a better position now to move up than if we'd stayed in that sinking CUSA ship. If such a realignment as you propose happens, being in CUSA or Sun Belt would not make a bit of difference as to our attractiveness to whatever 'bigger conference' is looking at us. As we showed with CUSA, contracts are made to be broken if necessary. Though I doubt such a situation happens. If there is a break away of the top teams, I doubt we are included, regardless of what conference we may currently reside in.

Dilusional? Nlo this is dilusional

https://www.herdfans.com/12thman/index.php?topic=114296.msg997411#msg997411

"Of course! I'm sure all the top teams in the A10 were dodging us like all the power schools in the area were, and by golly this was the best darn schedule we could possibly make given that everyone else is scared to play us! I mean, coming off a 12-21 season, I'm sure all those schools were just terrified at getting crushed by us. But this schedule is perfect, and is going to have us SO ready to dominate the Sun Belt and to later just roll right through the NCAA tournament. The Dantoni train is coming, better get on board or get off the track! "

You honestly don't believe this right?

(12-05-2022 11:52 AM)GreenBison Wrote:  

(12-05-2022 10:54 AM)Johns1124 Wrote:  I'll say it:

I think coming to the Sunbelt was not the best option.


Before we moved, I stated we should wait out to CUSA and see what develops with the NCAA transition fallout. Now I believe more and more that should have been the play.

This is an insane take.

We are so much better off it's not even worth rehashing why we joined in the first place. I just don't even know where to start. Did you forget the following...

CUSA was a Texas centric conference. Judy didn't even come to Huntington when we won a NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP in Soccer!
CUSA was always reactive instead of proactive.
CUSA held their basketball tourney in Texas with a curtain EVERY YEAR.
CUSA was full of teams we had no connection with. Fan apathy was setting in.
We were losing fans because of the matchups.
We were in a quagmire of whatever is best for the Texas schools.
CUSA now stretches from Virginia to New Mexico Horrible situation for student athletes.
CUSA media was and still is a freaking joke.
We played our games on Facebook for crying out loud. We were absent from everyone's mind by not ever being on ESPN.
WKU was never a rival, I don't care what the younger fans say.
In CUSA we had SIX teams that were over 1000 miles away. In the SBC we only have ONE team over 1000 miles away.
Facebook games were getting 3k views while ESPN+ games are getting 300k to 400k views.

And it doesn't matter about the NCAA transition. Being a G5 seals our fate no matter what conference we are in.

(12-06-2022 12:08 PM)Johns1124 Wrote:  

(12-05-2022 11:52 AM)GreenBison Wrote:  

(12-05-2022 10:54 AM)Johns1124 Wrote:  I'll say it:

I think coming to the Sunbelt was not the best option.


Before we moved, I stated we should wait out to CUSA and see what develops with the NCAA transition fallout. Now I believe more and more that should have been the play.

This is an insane take.

We are so much better off it's not even worth rehashing why we joined in the first place. I just don't even know where to start. Did you forget the following...

CUSA was a Texas centric conference. Judy didn't even come to Huntington when we won a NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP in Soccer!
CUSA was always reactive instead of proactive.
CUSA held their basketball tourney in Texas with a curtain EVERY YEAR.
CUSA was full of teams we had no connection with. Fan apathy was setting in.
We were losing fans because of the matchups.
We were in a quagmire of whatever is best for the Texas schools.
CUSA now stretches from Virginia to New Mexico Horrible situation for student athletes.
CUSA media was and still is a freaking joke.
We played our games on Facebook for crying out loud. We were absent from everyone's mind by not ever being on ESPN.
WKU was never a rival, I don't care what the younger fans say.
In CUSA we had SIX teams that were over 1000 miles away. In the SBC we only have ONE team over 1000 miles away.
Facebook games were getting 3k views while ESPN+ games are getting 300k to 400k views.

And it doesn't matter about the NCAA transition. Being a G5 seals our fate no matter what conference we are in.

Don't get me wrong CUSA had problems. Admin was horrific. My concern is if we have to make a jump to another conference
in short order it may be more difficult since we just entered the SB. I can see App St. getting an invite to AAC, then after the P5
split we are stuck back in the new FCS with the other G5's. Let's face it without App St. No one else in the SB is really consistent as
Marshall. I'm not sure CC will rebound after they lose some players, ULL might, not be convinced of anything when it comes to JMU.
As of right now App and us are the two most consistant teams in the SB. Altrhough, Troy may be trying to make a name.

(12-05-2022 11:23 AM)forphase1 Wrote:  

(12-05-2022 11:09 AM)Johns1124 Wrote:  Until realignment yes. SB is not heads above the SB, if you say so your just kidding yourself. In my opinion, SB is App. State and everyone else. Sort of like MTW is Boise and everyone else.

The problem lies, now we are stuck for the better part of 10 years no matter what direction the conference goes. Ask yourself this if the opportunity to go to the AAC came up today would you go? Hell yes, you would like everyone else. It was the better option. We only jumped at the SB wh that door seemed closed.

My concern is, the NCAA will have a final re-alignment, and there will be a few conferences dropping down to an FCS or equivalent. CUSA and SB will be both on the chopping block. I think it would haven't been an easier way to be picked up by a bigger conference who will be staying if we don't have suck a binding contractwith the SB.

Oh yes, the SB is heads above CUSA. If you can't see that, then this conversation is over as there is no reasoning with ya. Still love ya as a Marshall fan, but...geez.

As to the AAC, I'm honestly not sure I'd rather be there. Other than Memphis and ECU, there isn't really anything there I'd care to play on a regular basis. All are either snobby privates (Tulsa, Tulane, etc), crappy programs (Temple) or recent CUSA trash that I'm happy to be away from now (Charlotte, etc). Navy would be nice, but since they are in the west we'd rarely play them anyway.

As to the rest of your post, we are in a better position now to move up than if we'd stayed in that sinking CUSA ship. If such a realignment as you propose happens, being in CUSA or Sun Belt would not make a bit of difference as to our attractiveness to whatever 'bigger conference' is looking at us. As we showed with CUSA, contracts are made to be broken if necessary. Though I doubt such a situation happens. If there is a break away of the top teams, I doubt we are included, regardless of what conference we may currently reside in.

(12-07-2022 05:41 PM)JHG722 Wrote:  

(12-05-2022 11:23 AM)forphase1 Wrote:  

(12-05-2022 11:09 AM)Johns1124 Wrote:  Until realignment yes. SB is not heads above the SB, if you say so your just kidding yourself. In my opinion, SB is App. State and everyone else. Sort of like MTW is Boise and everyone else.

The problem lies, now we are stuck for the better part of 10 years no matter what direction the conference goes. Ask yourself this if the opportunity to go to the AAC came up today would you go? Hell yes, you would like everyone else. It was the better option. We only jumped at the SB wh that door seemed closed.

My concern is, the NCAA will have a final re-alignment, and there will be a few conferences dropping down to an FCS or equivalent. CUSA and SB will be both on the chopping block. I think it would haven't been an easier way to be picked up by a bigger conference who will be staying if we don't have suck a binding contractwith the SB.

Oh yes, the SB is heads above CUSA. If you can't see that, then this conversation is over as there is no reasoning with ya. Still love ya as a Marshall fan, but...geez.

As to the AAC, I'm honestly not sure I'd rather be there. Other than Memphis and ECU, there isn't really anything there I'd care to play on a regular basis. All are either snobby privates (Tulsa, Tulane, etc), crappy programs (Temple) or recent CUSA trash that I'm happy to be away from now (Charlotte, etc). Navy would be nice, but since they are in the west we'd rarely play them anyway.

As to the rest of your post, we are in a better position now to move up than if we'd stayed in that sinking CUSA ship. If such a realignment as you propose happens, being in CUSA or Sun Belt would not make a bit of difference as to our attractiveness to whatever 'bigger conference' is looking at us. As we showed with CUSA, contracts are made to be broken if necessary. Though I doubt such a situation happens. If there is a break away of the top teams, I doubt we are included, regardless of what conference we may currently reside in.

I assure you, we're not sad about not playing Marshall JUCO.

(12-07-2022 05:41 PM)JHG722 Wrote:  

(12-05-2022 11:23 AM)forphase1 Wrote:  

(12-05-2022 11:09 AM)Johns1124 Wrote:  Until realignment yes. SB is not heads above the SB, if you say so your just kidding yourself. In my opinion, SB is App. State and everyone else. Sort of like MTW is Boise and everyone else.

The problem lies, now we are stuck for the better part of 10 years no matter what direction the conference goes. Ask yourself this if the opportunity to go to the AAC came up today would you go? Hell yes, you would like everyone else. It was the better option. We only jumped at the SB wh that door seemed closed.

My concern is, the NCAA will have a final re-alignment, and there will be a few conferences dropping down to an FCS or equivalent. CUSA and SB will be both on the chopping block. I think it would haven't been an easier way to be picked up by a bigger conference who will be staying if we don't have suck a binding contractwith the SB.

Oh yes, the SB is heads above CUSA. If you can't see that, then this conversation is over as there is no reasoning with ya. Still love ya as a Marshall fan, but...geez.

As to the AAC, I'm honestly not sure I'd rather be there. Other than Memphis and ECU, there isn't really anything there I'd care to play on a regular basis. All are either snobby privates (Tulsa, Tulane, etc), crappy programs (Temple) or recent CUSA trash that I'm happy to be away from now (Charlotte, etc). Navy would be nice, but since they are in the west we'd rarely play them anyway.

As to the rest of your post, we are in a better position now to move up than if we'd stayed in that sinking CUSA ship. If such a realignment as you propose happens, being in CUSA or Sun Belt would not make a bit of difference as to our attractiveness to whatever 'bigger conference' is looking at us. As we showed with CUSA, contracts are made to be broken if necessary. Though I doubt such a situation happens. If there is a break away of the top teams, I doubt we are included, regardless of what conference we may currently reside in.

I assure you, we're not sad about not playing Marshall JUCO.

(12-05-2022 12:15 PM)GreenBison Wrote:  I also want to add that CUSA HQ didn't give 2 ***** about Marshall or the rest of the Eastern Division. The new additions were all just "Happy to be Here". They never rocked the boat and went along with whatever Judy wanted. The old guard.. Marshall, SoMiss and UAB tried to get changes made and even at one point tried to get Judy dethroned. But we were never able to get the votes because of the new schools not wanting to rock the boat and the Texas schools that were satisfied with CUSA being a Texas based conference.

1 BIG 12 (A) = 81.14
2 SEC-WEST (A) = 80.87
3 SEC-EAST (A) = 79.89
4 PAC-12 NORTH (A) = 79.21
5 BIG TEN-EAST (A) = 79.16
6 ACC-ATLANTIC (A) = 76.58
7 BIG TEN-WEST (A) = 76.42
8 PAC-12 SOUTH (A) = 75.45
9 AAC (A) = 69.77
10 ACC-COASTAL (A) = 68.78
11 SUN BELT EAST (A) = 65.38
12 MWC-MOUNTAIN (A) = 62.87
13 I-A IND. (A) = 62.78
14 SUN BELT WEST (A) = 61.80
15 MWC-WEST (A) = 61.35
16 MAC-WEST (A) = 60.90
17 MAC-EAST (A) = 60.44
18 CONF-USA (A) = 59.19

Next year there will be an even bigger difference.

http://sagarin.com/sports/cfsend.htm

(12-07-2022 09:24 PM)THUNDERStruck73 Wrote:  

(12-07-2022 05:41 PM)JHG722 Wrote:  

(12-05-2022 11:23 AM)forphase1 Wrote:  

(12-05-2022 11:09 AM)Johns1124 Wrote:  Until realignment yes. SB is not heads above the SB, if you say so your just kidding yourself. In my opinion, SB is App. State and everyone else. Sort of like MTW is Boise and everyone else.

The problem lies, now we are stuck for the better part of 10 years no matter what direction the conference goes. Ask yourself this if the opportunity to go to the AAC came up today would you go? Hell yes, you would like everyone else. It was the better option. We only jumped at the SB wh that door seemed closed.

My concern is, the NCAA will have a final re-alignment, and there will be a few conferences dropping down to an FCS or equivalent. CUSA and SB will be both on the chopping block. I think it would haven't been an easier way to be picked up by a bigger conference who will be staying if we don't have suck a binding contractwith the SB.

Oh yes, the SB is heads above CUSA. If you can't see that, then this conversation is over as there is no reasoning with ya. Still love ya as a Marshall fan, but...geez.

As to the AAC, I'm honestly not sure I'd rather be there. Other than Memphis and ECU, there isn't really anything there I'd care to play on a regular basis. All are either snobby privates (Tulsa, Tulane, etc), crappy programs (Temple) or recent CUSA trash that I'm happy to be away from now (Charlotte, etc). Navy would be nice, but since they are in the west we'd rarely play them anyway.

As to the rest of your post, we are in a better position now to move up than if we'd stayed in that sinking CUSA ship. If such a realignment as you propose happens, being in CUSA or Sun Belt would not make a bit of difference as to our attractiveness to whatever 'bigger conference' is looking at us. As we showed with CUSA, contracts are made to be broken if necessary. Though I doubt such a situation happens. If there is a break away of the top teams, I doubt we are included, regardless of what conference we may currently reside in.

I assure you, we're not sad about not playing Marshall JUCO.

Yeah, that's because the last time we played you got boat raced out of the stadium. Call us up. We'll pluck your feathers again. And that's a pretty high and mighty statement coming from a school that got booted from a P5 conference because they were too pathetic in athletics.

(12-08-2022 10:48 PM)JHG722 Wrote:  

(12-07-2022 09:24 PM)THUNDERStruck73 Wrote:  

(12-07-2022 05:41 PM)JHG722 Wrote:  

(12-05-2022 11:23 AM)forphase1 Wrote:  

(12-05-2022 11:09 AM)Johns1124 Wrote:  Until realignment yes. SB is not heads above the SB, if you say so your just kidding yourself. In my opinion, SB is App. State and everyone else. Sort of like MTW is Boise and everyone else.

The problem lies, now we are stuck for the better part of 10 years no matter what direction the conference goes. Ask yourself this if the opportunity to go to the AAC came up today would you go? Hell yes, you would like everyone else. It was the better option. We only jumped at the SB wh that door seemed closed.

My concern is, the NCAA will have a final re-alignment, and there will be a few conferences dropping down to an FCS or equivalent. CUSA and SB will be both on the chopping block. I think it would haven't been an easier way to be picked up by a bigger conference who will be staying if we don't have suck a binding contractwith the SB.

Oh yes, the SB is heads above CUSA. If you can't see that, then this conversation is over as there is no reasoning with ya. Still love ya as a Marshall fan, but...geez.

As to the AAC, I'm honestly not sure I'd rather be there. Other than Memphis and ECU, there isn't really anything there I'd care to play on a regular basis. All are either snobby privates (Tulsa, Tulane, etc), crappy programs (Temple) or recent CUSA trash that I'm happy to be away from now (Charlotte, etc). Navy would be nice, but since they are in the west we'd rarely play them anyway.

As to the rest of your post, we are in a better position now to move up than if we'd stayed in that sinking CUSA ship. If such a realignment as you propose happens, being in CUSA or Sun Belt would not make a bit of difference as to our attractiveness to whatever 'bigger conference' is looking at us. As we showed with CUSA, contracts are made to be broken if necessary. Though I doubt such a situation happens. If there is a break away of the top teams, I doubt we are included, regardless of what conference we may currently reside in.

I assure you, we're not sad about not playing Marshall JUCO.

Yeah, that's because the last time we played you got boat raced out of the stadium. Call us up. We'll pluck your feathers again. And that's a pretty high and mighty statement coming from a school that got booted from a P5 conference because they were too pathetic in athletics.

And yet the BE and AAC didn't want Marshall

(12-08-2022 10:48 PM)JHG722 Wrote:  

(12-07-2022 09:24 PM)THUNDERStruck73 Wrote:  

(12-07-2022 05:41 PM)JHG722 Wrote:  

(12-05-2022 11:23 AM)forphase1 Wrote:  

(12-05-2022 11:09 AM)Johns1124 Wrote:  Until realignment yes. SB is not heads above the SB, if you say so your just kidding yourself. In my opinion, SB is App. State and everyone else. Sort of like MTW is Boise and everyone else.

The problem lies, now we are stuck for the better part of 10 years no matter what direction the conference goes. Ask yourself this if the opportunity to go to the AAC came up today would you go? Hell yes, you would like everyone else. It was the better option. We only jumped at the SB wh that door seemed closed.

My concern is, the NCAA will have a final re-alignment, and there will be a few conferences dropping down to an FCS or equivalent. CUSA and SB will be both on the chopping block. I think it would haven't been an easier way to be picked up by a bigger conference who will be staying if we don't have suck a binding contractwith the SB.

Oh yes, the SB is heads above CUSA. If you can't see that, then this conversation is over as there is no reasoning with ya. Still love ya as a Marshall fan, but...geez.

As to the AAC, I'm honestly not sure I'd rather be there. Other than Memphis and ECU, there isn't really anything there I'd care to play on a regular basis. All are either snobby privates (Tulsa, Tulane, etc), crappy programs (Temple) or recent CUSA trash that I'm happy to be away from now (Charlotte, etc). Navy would be nice, but since they are in the west we'd rarely play them anyway.

As to the rest of your post, we are in a better position now to move up than if we'd stayed in that sinking CUSA ship. If such a realignment as you propose happens, being in CUSA or Sun Belt would not make a bit of difference as to our attractiveness to whatever 'bigger conference' is looking at us. As we showed with CUSA, contracts are made to be broken if necessary. Though I doubt such a situation happens. If there is a break away of the top teams, I doubt we are included, regardless of what conference we may currently reside in.

I assure you, we're not sad about not playing Marshall JUCO.

Yeah, that's because the last time we played you got boat raced out of the stadium. Call us up. We'll pluck your feathers again. And that's a pretty high and mighty statement coming from a school that got booted from a P5 conference because they were too pathetic in athletics.

And yet the BE and AAC didn't want Marshall