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Ukraine attack on two military bases deep in Russian territory. - TIGERCITY - 12-05-2022 09:54 AM
Russian military bases that are used to stage attacks on Ukraine. Ukrainians have an acknowledged this but it's pretty clear. Also the method used in the attack is still unknown. Important because it gives the Russian something else to worry about and a psychological boost to the ukrainians.
RE: Ukraine attack on two military bases deep in Russian territory. - Gamenole - 12-05-2022 09:59 AM
Nice cryptic statement from Mykhailo Podolyak, an advisor to President Zelensky -
"The Earth is round – discovery made by Galileo. Astronomy was not studied in Kremlin, giving preference to court astrologers. If it was, they would know: if something is launched into other countries’ airspace, sooner or later unknown flying objects will return to departure point"
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/dec/05/explosions-russia-airbases-far-from-ukraine-frontline-bombers
RE: Ukraine attack on two military bases deep in Russian territory. - Jugnaut - 12-05-2022 11:58 AM
This is not good. Things keep escalating. Anticipate the war to get even bloodier and further from peace. At some point, Russia may use nuclear weapons to force a conclusion.
Another interesting tidbit, Zelensky is embracing his totalitarian impulses and trying to ban the eastern Orthodox church. There's no good side in this war.
RE: Ukraine attack on two military bases deep in Russian territory. - Gamenole - 12-05-2022 12:03 PM
(12-05-2022 11:58 AM)Jugnaut Wrote: Another interesting tidbit, Zelensky is embracing his totalitarian impulses and trying to ban the eastern Orthodox church. There's no good side in this war.
That's not exactly it, Zelensky is not trying to ban the Orthodox faith whatsoever. He is trying to ban the Russian Orthodox church from operating in Ukraine, a church whose Patriarch has supported the war. The Ukrainian Orthodox Church dropped its affiliation with the Russian church earlier this year -
https://www.christianpost.com/news/ukraine-considering-ban-on-churches-tied-to-russia.html
RE: Ukraine attack on two military bases deep in Russian territory. - Kruciff - 12-05-2022 12:05 PM
(12-05-2022 11:58 AM)Jugnaut Wrote: This is not good. Things keep escalating. Anticipate the war to get even bloodier and further from peace. At some point, Russia may use nuclear weapons to force a conclusion.
Another interesting tidbit, Zelensky is embracing his totalitarian impulses and trying to ban the eastern Orthodox church. There's no good side in this war.
The eastern Orthodox church is a, but very specifically not the, reason why Russia invaded Ukraine in the first place. It makes sense to cut ties with the Eastern Orthodox Church in Ukraine when the EOC is in part an aggressor to Ukraine.
EDIT: Forgot to emphasize Russian Eastern Orthodox, is the aggressor.
RE: Ukraine attack on two military bases deep in Russian territory. - Attackcoog - 12-05-2022 12:14 PM
The Ukrainians have apparently completed the final round of testing on their new suicide drone that has a range of 1000 kilometers and carries about a 165 pound warhead. Its similar to the Iranian suicide drone the Russians used on Ukraine. My guess is this attack was likely one of the prototype test drones or an early production model. Its very unlikley they can produce these at scale yet---but they will be able to produce serious numbers by early next year. I suspect they can only produce a very limited number of them right now.
This is not an escalation. At most----its a retaliation....and not much of one frankly. That said---its a sneak peek at what is to come for Russia. The Kremlin's salad days of "patriotically" lobbing explosives at unarmed civilian targets in Ukraine while being safe from any retaliation on Russian soil are nearing an end. Their bombers will be fine. They will just move their bomber fleet back 1000 kilometers----but their supply lines to Ukraine will become even more stressed. If I were Ukraine, once I had sufficient numbers, I'd send waves of those things after the Russian fuel depots and refineries. An army with no fuel cant sustain offensive operations.
RE: Ukraine attack on two military bases deep in Russian territory. - 58-56 - 12-05-2022 12:33 PM
(12-05-2022 12:14 PM)Attackcoog Wrote: This is not an escalation. At most----its a retaliation....and not much of one frankly.
It's a message. The target wasn't selected randomly. Google "Ryazan 1999."
RE: Ukraine attack on two military bases deep in Russian territory. - Native Georgian - 12-05-2022 12:42 PM
(12-05-2022 11:58 AM)Jugnaut Wrote: Things keep escalating. Anticipate the war to get even bloodier and further from peace.True. I think this war will go on for at least another year.
Quote:At some point, Russia may use nuclear weapons to force a conclusion.It’s 10 months since the Special Military Operation started. If Russia hasn’t pushed that button by now, I question what would have to happen, to make them do it. My suspicion is that PRC signed off on the invasion but is drawing the line on nukes/WMD. Putin cannot take an action like that without Beijing’s permission, unless he is cashing his chips and doesn’t care what comes after. Has he really reached that point?
RE: Ukraine attack on two military bases deep in Russian territory. - Attackcoog - 12-05-2022 12:58 PM
(12-05-2022 12:42 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:(12-05-2022 11:58 AM)Jugnaut Wrote: Things keep escalating. Anticipate the war to get even bloodier and further from peace.True. I think this war will go on for at least another year.
Quote:At some point, Russia may use nuclear weapons to force a conclusion.It’s 10 months since the Special Military Operation started. If Russia hasn’t pushed that button by now, I question what would have to happen, to make them do it. My suspicion is that PRC signed off on the invasion but is drawing the line on nukes/WMD. Putin cannot take an action like that without Beijing’s permission, unless he is cashing his chips and doesn’t care what comes after. Has he really reached that point?
Nukes are simply not an option. The US/NATO have made it clear that any use of nukes would trigger massive consequences (likely a massive conventional air campaign against any Russian military target in Ukraine). Furthermore, both China AND India have indicated that they would not support Russia if they use nukes. For China, this is a huge issue because they dont want the use of smaller tactical nukes to become "normalized". Why? Because a tactical nuke would be the only weapon needed to cheaply and effectively block any Chinese invasion fleet from ever reaching Taiwan. Supposedly, China has made it clear that the want a complete end to Putin even subtly suggesting that nukes might be used. I suspect that is true because he hasn't done it lately that Im aware of.
RE: Ukraine attack on two military bases deep in Russian territory. - Todor - 12-05-2022 01:23 PM
This attack will probably make Russia pull back.
RE: Ukraine attack on two military bases deep in Russian territory. - Attackcoog - 12-05-2022 01:29 PM
(12-05-2022 01:23 PM)Todor Wrote: This attack will probably make Russia pull back.
lol. Hardly. But soon.
Support for the war in Ukraine has reportedly plunged within Russia, per leaked internal polling data commissioned by the Kremlin and obtained by the independent, Latvia-based outlet Meduza.
The survey, conducted by Russia's Federal Protective Service (FSO), found that 55% of Russians favor peace talks with Ukraine. This represents a massive shift from an FSO poll in July that found just 32% of Russians favored talks, according to Meduza's reporting. The polling, which Meduza said was designated by the Kremlin for "internal use only," also showed a major drop in support for the continuing the war among Russians between July (57%) and November (25%).
https://www.businessinsider.com/leaked-kremlin-poll-55-of-russians-want-talks-end-ukraine-war-2022-12
RE: Ukraine attack on two military bases deep in Russian territory. - olliebaba - 12-05-2022 01:40 PM
Those in Russia who were against the war might not be so against it now that their homeland has been attacked. It might embolden those who were thinking of absconding to other nations and enlisting in the military.
JMHO
RE: Ukraine attack on two military bases deep in Russian territory. - Attackcoog - 12-05-2022 02:43 PM
(12-05-2022 01:40 PM)olliebaba Wrote: Those in Russia who were against the war might not be so against it now that their homeland has been attacked. It might embolden those who were thinking of absconding to other nations and enlisting in the military.
JMHO
If they had bombed a civilian apartment or something---I might say you have a point. But they hit an air base being used to bomb Ukrainian cities. Here's the problem for Russia. Putin is telling the people that a Nazi regime in Ukraine is a existential threat to the survival of Russia. He is telling Russian citizens that his army is going to Ukraine to rescue the Ukrainian citizens from Nazi oppressors. But the Russian citizens are sending their dads, sons, and friends to the front and those dads and sons are telling the citizens---"Hey---there are no Nazis at the front". The soldiers are telling their families and friends they arent being welcomed and the people there dont want to be rescued. Russian citizens are slowly finding out Ukraine is no threat to Russia because if Ukraine was this big threat----after 285 days of war---Russian citizens would be getting bombed. Thus, they now know Ukraine was never a serious threat. Furthermore, Russian citizens know the Ukrainians are no threat because every time the Ukrainians chase the Russians out of Ukraine---they stop at the border and never send troops into Russian territory. Its becoming more and more clear to the population of Russia that they are being lied to and they really arent very interested in sacrificing their dads and sons to support a silly lie.
RE: Ukraine attack on two military bases deep in Russian territory. - TIGERCITY - 12-05-2022 03:13 PM
Hear how warped the Russian thinking is on this.... They are 'blaming' the ukrainians for this attack on their war planes. Blaming. And of course the Russian response for attack on their warplanes is to kill Ukrainian civilians.
Second an attack by Ukraine on a Russian target 800 km into Russian territory is significant. It shows the ukrainians can do it and it shows that Russian defense didn't and maybe can't stop it. I didn't say air defense on purpose since we still don't know how this was done.
RE: Ukraine attack on two military bases deep in Russian territory. - Gamenole - 12-06-2022 08:45 AM
Another attack inside Russia today...great to see some richly deserved pain being delivered to Mother Russia herself for Putin's war -
https://www.axios.com/2022/12/06/russia-drone-strike-ukraine
RE: Ukraine attack on two military bases deep in Russian territory. - TIGERCITY - 12-06-2022 08:51 AM
(12-06-2022 08:45 AM)Gamenole Wrote: Another attack inside Russia today...great to see some richly deserved pain being delivered to Mother Russia herself for Putin's war -
https://www.axios.com/2022/12/06/russia-drone-strike-ukraine
Another Russian military base
RE: Ukraine attack on two military bases deep in Russian territory. - TIGERCITY - 12-06-2022 09:09 AM
The "second most powerful army in the world's" air defense system is now being exposed. Wonder if they'll ask Iran or North Korea for help....again.
RE: Ukraine attack on two military bases deep in Russian territory. - Tigers2B1 - 12-06-2022 10:12 AM
(12-05-2022 03:13 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote: Hear how warped the Russian thinking is on this.... They are 'blaming' the ukrainians for this attack on their war planes. Blaming. And of course the Russian response for attack on their warplanes is to kill Ukrainian civilians.
Second an attack by Ukraine on a Russian target 800 km into Russian territory is significant. It shows the ukrainians can do it and it shows that Russian defense didn't and maybe can't stop it. I didn't say air defense on purpose since we still don't know how this was done.
So these explosions aren't caused by guys smoking cigarettes anymore? Hope one of these drones lands on top of Putin's head.
RE: Ukraine attack on two military bases deep in Russian territory. - Attackcoog - 12-06-2022 11:55 AM
(12-06-2022 09:09 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote: The "second most powerful army in the world's" air defense system is now being exposed. Wonder if they'll ask Iran or North Korea for help....again.
I remember a situation where a teenager in a small private plane entered Russian air space from Germany and flew all the way to Moscow before landing in Red Square. That was back in the 80's during the Cold War.
RE: Ukraine attack on two military bases deep in Russian territory. - DavidSt - 12-06-2022 04:00 PM
(12-05-2022 01:40 PM)olliebaba Wrote: Those in Russia who were against the war might not be so against it now that their homeland has been attacked. It might embolden those who were thinking of absconding to other nations and enlisting in the military.
JMHO
I think Ukraine did not attacked Russia. Putin may have his own bases attacked by evacuating the troops, and bombed his own bases and put the blame on Ukraine. Putin is trying his best to have people turn against Ukraine, but people in Russia are starting to protest more and more with more people joining in. His popularity in the country is sinking rapidly even in big cities like Moscow.