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SMU Boulevard Collective - ExcitedOwl18 - 08-09-2022 10:44 AM
Our past and future conference mate plans to pay each of their Football and MBB athletes 36k/year through NIL.
https://twitter.com/FOS/status/1556720902502588422?s=20&t=-qQZeWqNHvELOwV6Ki8HdA
RE: SMU Boulevard Collective - GoodOwl - 08-09-2022 10:52 AM
...guess we can't do the keys shaking at games anymore?
RE: SMU Boulevard Collective - Owl 69/70/75 - 08-09-2022 12:15 PM
(08-09-2022 10:44 AM)ExcitedOwl18 Wrote: Our past and future conference mate plans to pay each of their Football and MBB athletes 36k/year through NIL.
https://twitter.com/FOS/status/1556720902502588422?s=20&t=-qQZeWqNHvELOwV6Ki8HdA
That's a pay cut from the Pony Express days.
RE: SMU Boulevard Collective - Ourland - 08-09-2022 01:08 PM
I'm sick to my stomach. We'll be forced to jump into the game sooner or later. Those kids don't need 36k a year. It's a bunch of bull.
RE: SMU Boulevard Collective - Ourland - 08-09-2022 01:09 PM
(08-09-2022 10:52 AM)GoodOwl Wrote: ...guess we can't do the keys shaking at games anymore?
I like this.
RE: SMU Boulevard Collective - Ourland - 08-09-2022 01:14 PM
(08-09-2022 10:44 AM)ExcitedOwl18 Wrote: Our past and future conference mate plans to pay each of their Football and MBB athletes 36k/year through NIL.
https://twitter.com/FOS/status/1556720902502588422?s=20&t=-qQZeWqNHvELOwV6Ki8HdA
I'm still not understanding all this guys. The actual university is not allowed to pay the players, right? So, this is a 'collective' that has organized with the university's blessing, to pay the players a fixed amount of money every year? Even if their NIL isn't worth 36k a year? Basically, the football and basketball players are going to get a salary, no matter how they perform. What is the formal, binding relationship between the collective and university? How is this legal?
RE: SMU Boulevard Collective - greyowl72 - 08-09-2022 02:54 PM
So…90 man football roster and 15 man MBB roster at $36K per…in the 4 million range per year.
I have no doubt that there could easily be a collective of Rice alums that could and would eclipse that yearly amount….for the right project. But I’m guessing that support of the football and Rice MBB teams, in excess of their scholarships, would not be that project. I may be totally off base and out of touch but I just don’t think it’s in our DNA right now.
RE: SMU Boulevard Collective - Ourland - 08-09-2022 04:00 PM
(08-09-2022 02:54 PM)greyowl72 Wrote: So…90 man football roster and 15 man MBB roster at $36K per…in the 4 million range per year.
I have no doubt that there could easily be a collective of Rice alums that could and would eclipse that yearly amount….for the right project. But I’m guessing that support of the football and Rice MBB teams, in excess of their scholarships, would not be that project. I may be totally off base and out of touch but I just don’t think it’s in our DNA right now.
That's an incredible amount of cash for a Rice 'collective' to raise on a yearly basis, just due to the limited number of donors. It's coming. Some form of payment is coming.
RE: SMU Boulevard Collective - Texasowl - 08-09-2022 04:11 PM
Will they still get their athletic scholarship?
(08-09-2022 12:15 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:(08-09-2022 10:44 AM)ExcitedOwl18 Wrote: Our past and future conference mate plans to pay each of their Football and MBB athletes 36k/year through NIL.
https://twitter.com/FOS/status/1556720902502588422?s=20&t=-qQZeWqNHvELOwV6Ki8HdA
That's a pay cut from the Pony Express days.
RE: SMU Boulevard Collective - ESE84 - 08-09-2022 04:18 PM
(08-09-2022 02:54 PM)greyowl72 Wrote: So…90 man football roster and 15 man MBB roster at $36K per…in the 4 million range per year.
I have no doubt that there could easily be a collective of Rice alums that could and would eclipse that yearly amount….for the right project. But I’m guessing that support of the football and Rice MBB teams, in excess of their scholarships, would not be that project. I may be totally off base and out of touch but I just don’t think it’s in our DNA right now.
I agree. But why did we “pony up” the AAC entrance fees to be in a situation where Rice may be noncompetitive with the NIL programs (which looks to be most of our AAC conference mates)?
What did we promise to enter the AAC?
RE: SMU Boulevard Collective - Texasowl - 08-09-2022 04:27 PM
Let give them $36.5 K each. :)
(08-09-2022 04:18 PM)ESE84 Wrote:(08-09-2022 02:54 PM)greyowl72 Wrote: So…90 man football roster and 15 man MBB roster at $36K per…in the 4 million range per year.
I have no doubt that there could easily be a collective of Rice alums that could and would eclipse that yearly amount….for the right project. But I’m guessing that support of the football and Rice MBB teams, in excess of their scholarships, would not be that project. I may be totally off base and out of touch but I just don’t think it’s in our DNA right now.
I agree. But why did we “pony up” the AAC entrance fees to be in a situation where Rice may be noncompetitive with the NIL programs (which looks to be most of our AAC conference mates)?
What did we promise to enter the AAC?
RE: SMU Boulevard Collective - ESE84 - 08-09-2022 05:01 PM
(08-09-2022 04:27 PM)Texasowl Wrote: Let give them $36.5 K each. :)(08-09-2022 04:18 PM)ESE84 Wrote:(08-09-2022 02:54 PM)greyowl72 Wrote: So…90 man football roster and 15 man MBB roster at $36K per…in the 4 million range per year.
I have no doubt that there could easily be a collective of Rice alums that could and would eclipse that yearly amount….for the right project. But I’m guessing that support of the football and Rice MBB teams, in excess of their scholarships, would not be that project. I may be totally off base and out of touch but I just don’t think it’s in our DNA right now.
I agree. But why did we “pony up” the AAC entrance fees to be in a situation where Rice may be noncompetitive with the NIL programs (which looks to be most of our AAC conference mates)?
What did we promise to enter the AAC?
This might be tongue in cheek, but NIL seems a reality going forward. What are we doing to get this started at Rice?
RE: SMU Boulevard Collective - Frizzy Owl - 08-09-2022 05:05 PM
(08-09-2022 05:01 PM)ESE84 Wrote:(08-09-2022 04:27 PM)Texasowl Wrote: Let give them $36.5 K each. :)(08-09-2022 04:18 PM)ESE84 Wrote:(08-09-2022 02:54 PM)greyowl72 Wrote: So…90 man football roster and 15 man MBB roster at $36K per…in the 4 million range per year.
I have no doubt that there could easily be a collective of Rice alums that could and would eclipse that yearly amount….for the right project. But I’m guessing that support of the football and Rice MBB teams, in excess of their scholarships, would not be that project. I may be totally off base and out of touch but I just don’t think it’s in our DNA right now.
I agree. But why did we “pony up” the AAC entrance fees to be in a situation where Rice may be noncompetitive with the NIL programs (which looks to be most of our AAC conference mates)?
What did we promise to enter the AAC?
This might be tongue in cheek, but NIL seems a reality going forward. What are we doing to get this started at Rice?
Well, "we" would include you... what are you doing?
These NIL pools do need to be an alumni initiative, the university itself can't directly lead the effort, and Rice would never do so even if allowed.
RE: SMU Boulevard Collective - owl40 - 08-09-2022 05:52 PM
If the AD/Coaches had a plan on how to compete in the revenue (vs. Olympic) sports, I think it would be easy to find the $ to compete on NIL.
Problem is that arrogance combined w/ poor ‘pound the rock’ schemes in FB, not play any defense in MBB, and poor pitching/defense in BB is not inspiring to invest NIL $$ against more losing w/ failed approach. Put a viable plan on how the revenue sports win and I think the $ can follow vs. vice versa.
RE: SMU Boulevard Collective - Tomball Owl - 08-09-2022 05:53 PM
Are such collectives not subject to Title IX? Would equal pay requirements not be applicable? Not sure how long such collectives will get away with only paying football and men’s basketball players.
RE: SMU Boulevard Collective - tanqtonic - 08-09-2022 06:09 PM
(08-09-2022 05:53 PM)Tomball Owl Wrote: Are such collectives not subject to Title IX? Would equal pay requirements not be applicable? Not sure how long such collectives will get away with only paying football and men’s basketball players.
Title IX applies to university expenditures. Doesn’t apply if I as an individual decide to plow 50k into ‘hiring’ a Rice guy golfer. Private funds to athletes <> university expenditures to NCAA sports.
RE: SMU Boulevard Collective - mebehutchi - 08-09-2022 07:13 PM
At what point do the feds call bs on this and deem them employees - in SMU's case with a $77K scholarship and $36K salary you could owe $27K in taxes?
RE: SMU Boulevard Collective - greyowl72 - 08-09-2022 07:40 PM
(08-09-2022 05:52 PM)owl40 Wrote: If the AD/Coaches had a plan on how to compete in the revenue (vs. Olympic) sports, I think it would be easy to find the $ to compete on NIL.
Problem is that arrogance combined w/ poor ‘pound the rock’ schemes in FB, not play any defense in MBB, and poor pitching/defense in BB is not inspiring to invest NIL $$ against more losing w/ failed approach. Put a viable plan on how the revenue sports win and I think the $ can follow vs. vice versa.
I think this is the whole problem in a nutshell. At this point, in the major mens’ sports, Rice support has retreated back to a default setting created a quarter of a century ago…. We’re sorta satisfied that we are competing…sorta..and numb beyond that. But listening to some of the comments from other CUSA head coaches at the recent media day about how they are embracing the NIL situation makes me think that our time to meaningfully modernize our approach and participate in upper level college athletics…is increasingly short.
RE: SMU Boulevard Collective - waltgreenberg - 08-09-2022 07:57 PM
(08-09-2022 07:40 PM)greyowl72 Wrote:(08-09-2022 05:52 PM)owl40 Wrote: If the AD/Coaches had a plan on how to compete in the revenue (vs. Olympic) sports, I think it would be easy to find the $ to compete on NIL.
Problem is that arrogance combined w/ poor ‘pound the rock’ schemes in FB, not play any defense in MBB, and poor pitching/defense in BB is not inspiring to invest NIL $$ against more losing w/ failed approach. Put a viable plan on how the revenue sports win and I think the $ can follow vs. vice versa.
I think this is the whole problem in a nutshell. At this point, in the major mens’ sports, Rice support has retreated back to a default setting created a quarter of a century ago…. We’re sorta satisfied that we are competing…sorta..and numb beyond that. But listening to some of the comments from other CUSA head coaches at the recent media day about how they are embracing the NIL situation makes me think that our time to meaningfully modernize our approach and participate in upper level college athletics…is increasingly short.
I'm not sure I agree that the $ will follow. Most of the major donors to Rice Athletics I think would be reticent to put their money into NILs. Rather, their preference would be to invest in the individual programs and facilities.
RE: SMU Boulevard Collective - Tomball Owl - 08-09-2022 08:03 PM
(08-09-2022 07:13 PM)mebehutchi Wrote: At what point do the feds call bs on this and deem them employees - in SMU's case with a $77K scholarship and $36K salary you could owe $27K in taxes?
Thats’s what those 87,000 new IRS agents are for!