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Ima go ahead and call it. The Big XII is about to go bye bye - BIGDTiger - 07-03-2022 01:20 AM
The 8 leftovers plus BYU & Boise are gonna go over and make up the new PAC 20. The downside, Memphis is never gonna be in the BigXII. The upside, The American will stay in tact for now.
I expect that will be all the alignment we will see until the ACC grant of rights expires.
The playoff will expand to 8 very soon. G5 will not have an auto bid.
RE: Ima go ahead and call it. The Big XII is about to go bye bye - Atlanta - 07-03-2022 05:39 AM
(07-03-2022 01:20 AM)BIGDTiger Wrote: The 8 leftovers plus BYU & Boise are gonna go over and make up the new PAC 20. The downside, Memphis is never gonna be in the BigXII. The upside, The American will stay in tact for now.
I expect that will be all the alignment we will see until the ACC grant of rights expires.
The playoff will expand to 8 very soon. G5 will not have an auto bid.
Unfortunately, that scenario or something worse seems almost inevitable. Just to quibble, I don't think the remainder PAC schools will stomach Boise academics (& the Boise media market is barely top 100 if you include the whole state) & would opt for SDSU or Fresno St if another school is needed. I see Boise & most of the MWC on the outside just like us.
RE: Ima go ahead and call it. The Big XII is about to go bye bye - Eagleonpar - 07-03-2022 07:13 AM
(07-03-2022 01:20 AM)BIGDTiger Wrote: The 8 leftovers plus BYU & Boise are gonna go over and make up the new PAC 20. The downside, Memphis is never gonna be in the BigXII. The upside, The American will stay in tact for now.
I expect that will be all the alignment we will see until the ACC grant of rights expires.
The playoff will expand to 8 very soon. G5 will not have an auto bid.
As I said in another thread nothing has changed for Memphis. We are in the same place we were in back in 1963
RE: Ima go ahead and call it. The Big XII is about to go bye bye - CatsClaw1 - 07-03-2022 07:28 AM
(07-03-2022 01:20 AM)BIGDTiger Wrote: The 8 leftovers plus BYU & Boise are gonna go over and make up the new PAC 20. The downside, Memphis is never gonna be in the BigXII. The upside, The American will stay in tact for now.
I expect that will be all the alignment we will see until the ACC grant of rights expires.
The playoff will expand to 8 very soon. G5 will not have an auto bid.
So West Virginia is going to the Pac-12?
RE: Ima go ahead and call it. The Big XII is about to go bye bye - Marc Mensa - 07-03-2022 07:33 AM
The ACC is sure to be poached by the SEC… Florida State, North Carolina, Virginia & Clemson are all on the radar.
RE: Ima go ahead and call it. The Big XII is about to go bye bye - hk25 - 07-03-2022 08:22 AM
Disagree, none of the new Tier 2 (ACC, B12, & PAC) conferences will go away, too much money still involved, between brand value, exit & entrance fees, legal fees to move early, etc, etc. & they all know, no combination of themselves are going to get anywhere near the $ of the big 2.
If anything I see minor movement between those schools, except maybe minor reshaping to help with Geography or to add a tv market. Like the PAC adding a TX school or two, or same with ACC when they have their top 6 +/- taken, could see them taking a couple of TX metro schools & becoming a more metro focused conference.
I think the top end movement may stop for now, until the ACC GOR challenge is worked out.
I think the B1G & SEC’s top targets outside of ND are in the ACC & the B1G won’t take half the PAC unless completely shut out of ACC, which I don’t think happens. I think even if top picks like UNC & UV choose SEC over them, they can still grab GT, which would give them an AAU school, in SEC territory, that has a great tv market.
I also don’t think that either the PAC or B12 are strong enough to poach from each other & power/politics will prevent any full merger. While I think PAC as it stands now is still stronger than B12 , the fact there are still more valuable schools in the PAC that might be plucked away in future, make the B12 more stable since no one left there is wanted by Sec/B1G.
While I may hope the PAC can poach 2-4 from the B12 since that helps Memphis the most immediately, I don’t think that happens. I still think Memphis comes into play once the ACC is impacted.
Last year after OUT there were lots of predictions of the B12 going away, the PAC absorbing the leftover schools, etc. This year there are more rumors of the PAC being the league that disappears or is absorbed,because it’s the one being raided right now. I think the end result is the same with the T2 leagues ultimately expending by 2-4. But unfortunately for Memphis this expansion may stay out West…….which may be good for Memphis down the road with the next ripple…..if SDSU & CSU end up in PAC, they are no longer competing with Memphis for a spot in the B12.
As I have said before, any predictions of doom & gloom for Memphis getting to the new T2 is premature before the ACC ripples start happening.
RE: Ima go ahead and call it. The Big XII is about to go bye bye - blue68 - 07-03-2022 08:43 AM
(07-03-2022 07:33 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote: The ACC is sure to be poached by the SEC… Florida State, North Carolina, Virginia & Clemson are all on the radar.
SEC will not poach the ACC.
RE: Ima go ahead and call it. The Big XII is about to go bye bye - Red Dragon Coog - 07-03-2022 08:44 AM
(07-03-2022 01:20 AM)BIGDTiger Wrote: The 8 leftovers plus BYU & Boise are gonna go over and make up the new PAC 20. The downside, Memphis is never gonna be in the BigXII. The upside, The American will stay in tact for now.
I expect that will be all the alignment we will see until the ACC grant of rights expires.
The playoff will expand to 8 very soon. G5 will not have an auto bid.
The denial and bitterness is hilarious and sad at the same time. You went from assuring that Memphis was going to be apart of the Big 12, to fantasizing about being a part of it to now hoping for its destruction.
RE: Ima go ahead and call it. The Big XII is about to go bye bye - hk25 - 07-03-2022 08:58 AM
(07-03-2022 08:43 AM)blue68 Wrote:(07-03-2022 07:33 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote: The ACC is sure to be poached by the SEC… Florida State, North Carolina, Virginia & Clemson are all on the radar.
SEC will not poach the ACC.
They will if it appears the B1G will get schools they prefer themselves……like UNC & UV…..I would add Miami & Duke to the list above & say at least 4 of the 6 are in either the B1G or SEC when the movement stops.
RE: Ima go ahead and call it. The Big XII is about to go bye bye - memtiger1987 - 07-03-2022 09:19 AM
(07-03-2022 08:58 AM)hk25 Wrote:(07-03-2022 08:43 AM)blue68 Wrote:(07-03-2022 07:33 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote: The ACC is sure to be poached by the SEC… Florida State, North Carolina, Virginia & Clemson are all on the radar.
SEC will not poach the ACC.
They will if it appears the B1G will get schools they prefer themselves……like UNC & UV…..I would add Miami & Duke to the list above & say at least 4 of the 6 are in either the B1G or SEC when the movement stops.
I think they will look to poach the ACC. Clemson is a great fit, and probably Miami and/or FSU. The ACC GOR is not a going to stop this from happening. There is just too much money on the line and the writing is in the cards. Two tier one super conferences. You don’t want to be left out so I think you’ll see teams move. I think ND may finally go to the B1G this time.
RE: Ima go ahead and call it. The Big XII is about to go bye bye - BigTigerMike - 07-03-2022 09:24 AM
(07-03-2022 08:44 AM)Red Dragon Coog Wrote:(07-03-2022 01:20 AM)BIGDTiger Wrote: The 8 leftovers plus BYU & Boise are gonna go over and make up the new PAC 20. The downside, Memphis is never gonna be in the BigXII. The upside, The American will stay in tact for now.
I expect that will be all the alignment we will see until the ACC grant of rights expires.
The playoff will expand to 8 very soon. G5 will not have an auto bid.
The denial and bitterness is hilarious and sad at the same time. You went from assuring that Memphis was going to be apart of the Big 12, to fantasizing about being a part of it to now hoping for its destruction.
The SEC/B1G are gobbling up premier schools to eventually breakaway from the NCAA to create their own division; between 40 to 48 schools
The BigXII along with everyone else not included in the breakaway division are going to be the ‘best of the rest’.
All leftover schools are just rearranging the chairs on the Titanic for a better view because your team is not in the club and neither are we. Welcome back
RE: Ima go ahead and call it. The Big XII is about to go bye bye - bluebacker - 07-03-2022 09:24 AM
(07-03-2022 07:13 AM)Eagleonpar Wrote:(07-03-2022 01:20 AM)BIGDTiger Wrote: The 8 leftovers plus BYU & Boise are gonna go over and make up the new PAC 20. The downside, Memphis is never gonna be in the BigXII. The upside, The American will stay in tact for now.
I expect that will be all the alignment we will see until the ACC grant of rights expires.
The playoff will expand to 8 very soon. G5 will not have an auto bid.
As I said in another thread nothing has changed for Memphis. We are in the same place we were in back in 1963
Memphis was on par money and facilities wise with most of the SEC through the 70's. Look at the TV money gap and the facilities gap now. I think a lot has changed and the loose transfer rules combined with NIL $$$$$ is likely the final nail in the coffin.
As long as Memphis ends up in a Tier 2 conference AND the Tier 2 conferences get to send their champion to an expanded national championship playoff then all is not lost.
If both of those things don't happen then Memphis and all the other left behinds will be playing in the equivalent of today's FCS. There will be no 'access slot' for this group like the 2019 Cotton Bowl.
Some fans won't mind that and will continue on as if nothing has changed - FCS schools have fan bases too especially in less densely populated states like North and South Dakota where there are no power programs to compete with. Memphis may can evolve onto something like what Appalacian State or may be Marshall used to be....... Hard to say for sure until the dust finally settles.
I do think that at this point the die has been cast and the work has been done. Depending on which of the Tier 2 conferences survives will likely determine if Memphis gets in or not. The latest round of B12 expansion proved that as the Tigers had dominated both Houston and Cincinnati for the previous 5-6 years. UCF has Memphis number for sure....
It looks like the best hope for a Tier 2 invite is from a decimated B12. Second landing spot from a decimated ACC. Don't see any scenario where the Tigers end up in the PAC12.
If Tier 2 doesn't happen then Memphis would want to end up in a nationwide 'best of the rest' conference and play for a separate Tier 3 NC - kinda like what FCS is today. If that happens I'd rather see football dropped and just focus on basketball.
RE: Ima go ahead and call it. The Big XII is about to go bye bye - TIGERCITY - 07-03-2022 09:32 AM
It depends on what Notre Dame does. If Notre Dame goes to the Big Ten then either Oregon or Washington follows. That's the end of the Pac-12. So watch Notre Dame;-)
RE: Ima go ahead and call it. The Big XII is about to go bye bye - bluebacker - 07-03-2022 09:36 AM
(07-03-2022 09:32 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote: It depends on what Notre Dame does. If Notre Dame goes to the Big Ten then either Oregon or Washington follows. That's the end of the Pac-12. So watch Notre Dame;-)
I think that would be bad for Memphis because if PAC12 dissolves then the left overs likely go to BIG12 and that squeezes Memphis out.
What would be better is for the PAC12 to stabilize and survive and raid the MWC. That would leave the B12 looking at Memphis for expansion.
RE: Ima go ahead and call it. The Big XII is about to go bye bye - hk25 - 07-03-2022 09:38 AM
(07-03-2022 09:32 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote: It depends on what Notre Dame does. If Notre Dame goes to the Big Ten then either Oregon or Washington follows. That's the end of the Pac-12. So watch Notre Dame;-)
Unless ND says they will only join if Stanford is added & not those 2. Then the PAC will be in better position to reload as they will keep 2 flagships & wont have Stanford’s arrogance interfering with replacement choices.
RE: Ima go ahead and call it. The Big XII is about to go bye bye - TIGERCITY - 07-03-2022 09:39 AM
(07-03-2022 09:36 AM)bluebacker Wrote:(07-03-2022 09:32 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote: It depends on what Notre Dame does. If Notre Dame goes to the Big Ten then either Oregon or Washington follows. That's the end of the Pac-12. So watch Notre Dame;-)
I think that would be bad for Memphis because if PAC12 dissolves then the left overs likely go to BIG12 and that squeezes Memphis out.
What would be better is for the PAC12 to stabilize and survive and raid the MWC. That would leave the B12 looking at Memphis for expansion.
I agree it would be better for Memphis. So I hope Notre Dame stays where they're at and a merger between the Big 12 and Pac-12 doesn't happen. At the Pac-12 take some big 12 teams. But Notre Dame can make a boat load of money by joining the Big Ten. I mean what are they making 21 million now and TV rights?
RE: Ima go ahead and call it. The Big XII is about to go bye bye - Mimi - 07-03-2022 09:44 AM
(07-03-2022 09:32 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote: It depends on what Notre Dame does. If Notre Dame goes to the Big Ten then either Oregon or Washington follows. That's the end of the Pac-12. So watch Notre Dame;-)
While the PAC 12 is still well ahead of the Big 12, losing Washington and/or Oregon would make them much closer
That is assuming the Big 12 doesn’t lose any school but they really have little that is appealing to the Big Ten or SEC
Maybe Kansas
Maybe OK State
Should the ACC hang together and they likely will with the TV contract they are more likely to poach WV and if the PAC Ten stays together they are more likely to poach OK State. Kansas to the Big Ten and the Big 12 is basically the AAC but a little bit better
I still think these massive conferences will eventually think they are so smart by splitting and going to more regional groupings as though they are inventing the wheel
RE: Ima go ahead and call it. The Big XII is about to go bye bye - bluebacker - 07-03-2022 10:13 AM
Yes, 20-24 team conferences will split into four, 5-6 team regional divisions with the 4 division winners playing for the conference title.
If Tier 1 completely breaks away then the SEC and BIG10 champions will play for the NC each year. If the 2 or 3 (depends on if PAC12 survives) Tier 2 league champions are allowed a spot in an expanded national playoff (8 or 12 teams) then the SEC and BIG10 will send 3 to 5 teams each to go along with the 2 or 3 Tier 2 champions.
Memphis needs the PAC 12 to stabilize and survive and raid the MWC and the BIG12 needs to lose Kansas and/or WV so that it needs to backfill with Memphis rather than absorb tbe PAC12 left overs.
RE: Ima go ahead and call it. The Big XII is about to go bye bye - EarthBoundMisfit - 07-03-2022 10:38 AM
(07-03-2022 10:13 AM)bluebacker Wrote: Yes, 20-24 team conferences will split into four, 5-6 team regional divisions with the 4 division winners playing for the conference title.
If Tier 1 completely breaks away then the SEC and BIG10 champions will play for the NC each year. If the 2 or 3 (depends on if PAC12 survives) Tier 2 league champions are allowed a spot in an expanded national playoff (8 or 12 teams) then the SEC and BIG10 will send 3 to 5 teams each to go along with the 2 or 3 Tier 2 champions.
Memphis needs the PAC 12 to stabilize and survive and raid the MWC and the BIG12 needs to lose Kansas and/or WV so that it needs to backfill with Memphis rather than absorb tbe PAC12 left overs.
Oregon and Washington are looking to leave the PAC, Arizona n Arizona State may be joining the Big 12 along with Colorado.
RE: Ima go ahead and call it. The Big XII is about to go bye bye - Browning Hall - 07-03-2022 10:44 AM
I see Kansas mentioned a lot here. Other than AAU, what do they bring? Another bottom feeder to keep Rutgers and Maryland company?