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Every conference commissioner likely has a "who's next" list ... - PeteTheChop - 06-16-2022 10:42 AM
... so how do y'all think those lists might look for the "P-5" conferences?
There's obviously levels of desirability and fit for each "candidate" as we all know, so the schools are sorted into tiers (and sub-tiers) to indicate a pecking order from the conference's standpoint if a decision to expand were to proceed and GoR's have either expired, dissolved or proven not to be an insurmountable obstacle.
Tier 1 = A take
Tier 2 = A potential take but with complications
Tier 3 = Longshots primarily for geographical or institutional fit reasons
B1G
Tier 1: Notre Dame
Tier 1A: North Carolina
Tier 1B: Duke, Virginia
Tier 2: Missouri, Kansas
Tier 3: Georgia Tech, Miami
Tier 3A: USC, UCLA, Stanford, Cal, Washington, Oregon, Colorado
S-E-C
Tier 1: North Carolina
Tier 1A: Duke, Virginia
Tier 1B: Florida State, Clemson
Tier 2: NC State, Virginia Tech, Georgia Tech
Tier 3: Miami
Pac-12
Tier 1: none
Tier 2: Kansas, Texas Tech
Tier 3: Oklahoma State, Baylor, BYU, TCU, Houston, San Diego State
ACC
Tier 2: West Virginia, Cincinnati
Tier 2A: UCF, USF, UConn, Memphis
Tier 2B: Temple, Tulane
Big XII
Tier 2: Memphis, USF, SMU
Tier 2A: San Diego State
Tier 2B: Boise State, Colorado State, Tulane
Tier 3: UTSA
Comments? Corrections? Additions?
RE: Every conference commissioner likely has a "who's next" list ... - Gemofthehills - 06-16-2022 11:24 AM
If this happens it the P2 and G however many.
RE: Every conference commissioner likely has a "who's next" list ... - DFW HOYA - 06-16-2022 12:54 PM
(06-16-2022 10:42 AM)PeteTheChop Wrote: Comments? Corrections? Additions?
SEC:
1. Clemson/FSU
2. Whoever they want
RE: Every conference commissioner likely has a "who's next" list ... - SouthEastAlaska - 06-16-2022 01:13 PM
(06-16-2022 10:42 AM)PeteTheChop Wrote: ... so how do y'all think those lists might look for the "P-5" conferences?
There's obviously levels of desirability and fit for each "candidate" as we all know, so the schools are sorted into tiers (and sub-tiers) to indicate a pecking order from the conference's standpoint if a decision to expand were to proceed and GoR's have either expired, dissolved or proven not to be an insurmountable obstacle.
Tier 1 = A take
Tier 2 = A potential take but with complications
Tier 3 = Longshots primarily for geographical or institutional fit reasons
B1G
Tier 1: Notre Dame
Tier 1A: North Carolina
Tier 1B: Duke, Virginia
Tier 2: Missouri, Kansas
Tier 3: Georgia Tech, Miami
Tier 3A: USC, UCLA, Stanford, Cal, Washington, Oregon, Colorado
S-E-C
Tier 1: North Carolina
Tier 1A: Duke, Virginia
Tier 1B: Florida State, Clemson
Tier 2: NC State, Virginia Tech, Georgia Tech
Tier 3: Miami
Pac-12
Tier 1: none
Tier 2: Kansas, Texas Tech
Tier 3: Oklahoma State, Baylor, BYU, TCU, Houston, San Diego State
ACC
Tier 2: West Virginia, Cincinnati
Tier 2A: UCF, USF, UConn, Memphis
Tier 2B: Temple, Tulane
Big XII
Tier 2: Memphis, USF, SMU
Tier 2A: San Diego State
Tier 2B: Boise State, Colorado State, Tulane
Tier 3: UTSA
Comments? Corrections? Additions?
IMO, if Notre Dame is ever serious about joining a conference as a full member, including football, they're a tier 1 for every conference.
Also I would add Iowa state and Kansas state to Tier 3 for the PAC.
RE: Every conference commissioner likely has a "who's next" list ... - whittx - 06-16-2022 01:19 PM
(06-16-2022 01:13 PM)SouthEastAlaska Wrote:B1G Tier 3B-Syracuse(06-16-2022 10:42 AM)PeteTheChop Wrote: ... so how do y'all think those lists might look for the "P-5" conferences?
There's obviously levels of desirability and fit for each "candidate" as we all know, so the schools are sorted into tiers (and sub-tiers) to indicate a pecking order from the conference's standpoint if a decision to expand were to proceed and GoR's have either expired, dissolved or proven not to be an insurmountable obstacle.
Tier 1 = A take
Tier 2 = A potential take but with complications
Tier 3 = Longshots primarily for geographical or institutional fit reasons
B1G
Tier 1: Notre Dame
Tier 1A: North Carolina
Tier 1B: Duke, Virginia
Tier 2: Missouri, Kansas
Tier 3: Georgia Tech, Miami
Tier 3A: USC, UCLA, Stanford, Cal, Washington, Oregon, Colorado
S-E-C
Tier 1: North Carolina
Tier 1A: Duke, Virginia
Tier 1B: Florida State, Clemson
Tier 2: NC State, Virginia Tech, Georgia Tech
Tier 3: Miami
Pac-12
Tier 1: none
Tier 2: Kansas, Texas Tech
Tier 3: Oklahoma State, Baylor, BYU, TCU, Houston, San Diego State
ACC
Tier 2: West Virginia, Cincinnati
Tier 2A: UCF, USF, UConn, Memphis
Tier 2B: Temple, Tulane
Big XII
Tier 2: Memphis, USF, SMU
Tier 2A: San Diego State
Tier 2B: Boise State, Colorado State, Tulane
Tier 3: UTSA
Comments? Corrections? Additions?
IMO, if Notre Dame is ever serious about joining a conference as a full member, including football, they're a tier 1 for every conference.
Also I would add Iowa state and Kansas state to Tier 3 for the PAC.
B1G Tier 3C-Buffalo
ACC Tier 3C-Buffalo
B12 Tier 2A- Boise St.
P12-Tier 3A- Boise State, Nevada.
RE: Every conference commissioner likely has a "who's next" list ... - AztecEmpire - 06-16-2022 01:30 PM
(06-16-2022 10:42 AM)PeteTheChop Wrote: ... so how do y'all think those lists might look for the "P-5" conferences?
There's obviously levels of desirability and fit for each "candidate" as we all know, so the schools are sorted into tiers (and sub-tiers) to indicate a pecking order from the conference's standpoint if a decision to expand were to proceed and GoR's have either expired, dissolved or proven not to be an insurmountable obstacle.
Tier 1 = A take
Tier 2 = A potential take but with complications
Tier 3 = Longshots primarily for geographical or institutional fit reasons
B1G
Tier 1: Notre Dame, UVA
Tier 1A: North Carolina
Tier 1B: Duke
Tier 2: Missouri, Kansas
Tier 3: Georgia Tech, Miami
Tier 3A: USC, UCLA, Stanford, Cal, Washington, Oregon, Colorado
S-E-C
Tier 1: North Carolina
Tier 1A: Duke, Virginia
Tier 1B: Florida State, Clemson
Tier 2: NC State, Virginia Tech, Georgia Tech
Tier 3: Miami
Pac-12
Tier 1: none
Tier 2: Kansas, Houston, TCU, Oklahoma State
Tier 3: Baylor, BYU, San Diego State
ACC
Tier 2: West Virginia, Cincinnati
Tier 2A: UCF, USF, UConn, Memphis
Tier 2B: Temple, Tulane
Big XII
Tier 2: SDSU, Boise State
Tier 2A: Memphis
Tier 2B: USF, SMU, Colorado State, Tulane
Tier 3: UTSA
Comments? Corrections? Additions?
Fixed it for you
RE: Every conference commissioner likely has a "who's next" list ... - PeteTheChop - 06-16-2022 01:50 PM
(06-16-2022 01:13 PM)SouthEastAlaska Wrote: IMO, if Notre Dame is ever serious about joining a conference as a full member, including football, they're a tier 1 for every conference.
Also I would add Iowa state and Kansas state to Tier 3 for the PAC.
Just IMO, but don't think Notre Dame will join any conference as an all-sports member except for the B1G. Tried to limit the list to where there is conceivably at least a "small" chance of such additions taking place.
Possible the Pac-12 might reach as far as the suburbs of KC for a program with KU's stature in basketball but don't believe lesser lights from that far out of the current footprint would be sought.
RE: Every conference commissioner likely has a "who's next" list ... - Wahoowa84 - 06-16-2022 02:03 PM
IMO - for the ACC
Tier 1 - Notre Dame
Tier 2 - West Virginia or Cincinnati
Tier 3 - Kansas, Oklahoma State, TCU and/or Baylor
RE: Every conference commissioner likely has a "who's next" list ... - Gamecock - 06-16-2022 02:23 PM
(06-16-2022 01:13 PM)SouthEastAlaska Wrote:(06-16-2022 10:42 AM)PeteTheChop Wrote: ... so how do y'all think those lists might look for the "P-5" conferences?
There's obviously levels of desirability and fit for each "candidate" as we all know, so the schools are sorted into tiers (and sub-tiers) to indicate a pecking order from the conference's standpoint if a decision to expand were to proceed and GoR's have either expired, dissolved or proven not to be an insurmountable obstacle.
Tier 1 = A take
Tier 2 = A potential take but with complications
Tier 3 = Longshots primarily for geographical or institutional fit reasons
B1G
Tier 1: Notre Dame
Tier 1A: North Carolina
Tier 1B: Duke, Virginia
Tier 2: Missouri, Kansas
Tier 3: Georgia Tech, Miami
Tier 3A: USC, UCLA, Stanford, Cal, Washington, Oregon, Colorado
S-E-C
Tier 1: North Carolina
Tier 1A: Duke, Virginia
Tier 1B: Florida State, Clemson
Tier 2: NC State, Virginia Tech, Georgia Tech
Tier 3: Miami
Pac-12
Tier 1: none
Tier 2: Kansas, Texas Tech
Tier 3: Oklahoma State, Baylor, BYU, TCU, Houston, San Diego State
ACC
Tier 2: West Virginia, Cincinnati
Tier 2A: UCF, USF, UConn, Memphis
Tier 2B: Temple, Tulane
Big XII
Tier 2: Memphis, USF, SMU
Tier 2A: San Diego State
Tier 2B: Boise State, Colorado State, Tulane
Tier 3: UTSA
Comments? Corrections? Additions?
IMO, if Notre Dame is ever serious about joining a conference as a full member, including football, they're a tier 1 for every conference.
Also I would add Iowa state and Kansas state to Tier 3 for the PAC.
I agree. I certainly think the SEC, who probably has the least to gain and would be the strangest fit, would take them in a heartbeat
RE: Every conference commissioner likely has a "who's next" list ... - joeben69 - 06-16-2022 03:00 PM
(06-16-2022 10:42 AM)PeteTheChop Wrote: ... so how do y'all think those lists might look for the "P-5" conferences?
There's obviously levels of desirability and fit for each "candidate" as we all know, so the schools are sorted into tiers (and sub-tiers) to indicate a pecking order from the conference's standpoint if a decision to expand were to proceed and GoR's have either expired, dissolved or proven not to be an insurmountable obstacle.
Tier 1 = A take
Tier 2 = A potential take but with complications
Tier 3 = Longshots primarily for geographical or institutional fit reasons
B1G
Tier 1: Notre Dame
*Would've been in the B1G if ND wanted to be in by now
Tier 1A: North Carolina
Tier 1B: Duke, Virginia
Tier 2: *Missouri, Kansas
*Didn't get B1G invite last time around...don't see that changing any time soon
Tier 3: Georgia Tech, Miami
Tier 3A: USC, UCLA, Stanford, Cal, Washington, Oregon, Colorado
S-E-C
Tier 1: North Carolina
Tier 1A: Duke, Virginia
Tier 1B: Florida State, Clemson
Tier 2: NC State, Virginia Tech, Georgia Tech
Tier 3: Miami
Pac-12
Tier 1: none
Tier 2: Kansas, Texas Tech
Tier 3: Oklahoma State, *Baylor, *BYU, *TCU, Houston, **San Diego State
*Pac-12 does not take religious schools
**Pac-12 does not take CSU schools
ACC
Tier 2: West Virginia, Cincinnati
Tier 2A: UCF, USF, UConn, Memphis
Tier 2B: Temple, Tulane
Big XII
Tier 2: Memphis, USF, SMU
Tier 2A: San Diego State
Tier 2B: Boise State, Colorado State, Tulane
Tier 3: UTSA
Comments? Corrections? Additions?
RE: Every conference commissioner likely has a "who's next" list ... - BePcr07 - 06-16-2022 03:08 PM
(06-16-2022 02:23 PM)Gamecock Wrote:(06-16-2022 01:13 PM)SouthEastAlaska Wrote:(06-16-2022 10:42 AM)PeteTheChop Wrote: ... so how do y'all think those lists might look for the "P-5" conferences?
There's obviously levels of desirability and fit for each "candidate" as we all know, so the schools are sorted into tiers (and sub-tiers) to indicate a pecking order from the conference's standpoint if a decision to expand were to proceed and GoR's have either expired, dissolved or proven not to be an insurmountable obstacle.
Tier 1 = A take
Tier 2 = A potential take but with complications
Tier 3 = Longshots primarily for geographical or institutional fit reasons
B1G
Tier 1: Notre Dame
Tier 1A: North Carolina
Tier 1B: Duke, Virginia
Tier 2: Missouri, Kansas
Tier 3: Georgia Tech, Miami
Tier 3A: USC, UCLA, Stanford, Cal, Washington, Oregon, Colorado
S-E-C
Tier 1: North Carolina
Tier 1A: Duke, Virginia
Tier 1B: Florida State, Clemson
Tier 2: NC State, Virginia Tech, Georgia Tech
Tier 3: Miami
Pac-12
Tier 1: none
Tier 2: Kansas, Texas Tech
Tier 3: Oklahoma State, Baylor, BYU, TCU, Houston, San Diego State
ACC
Tier 2: West Virginia, Cincinnati
Tier 2A: UCF, USF, UConn, Memphis
Tier 2B: Temple, Tulane
Big XII
Tier 2: Memphis, USF, SMU
Tier 2A: San Diego State
Tier 2B: Boise State, Colorado State, Tulane
Tier 3: UTSA
Comments? Corrections? Additions?
IMO, if Notre Dame is ever serious about joining a conference as a full member, including football, they're a tier 1 for every conference.
Also I would add Iowa state and Kansas state to Tier 3 for the PAC.
I agree. I certainly think the SEC, who probably has the least to gain and would be the strangest fit, would take them in a heartbeat
If Notre Dame is ever in the position that it will join the SEC, I would be surprised if Michigan, Ohio St, and Penn St weren't too far behind.
RE: Every conference commissioner likely has a "who's next" list ... - Wedge - 06-16-2022 03:20 PM
(06-16-2022 12:54 PM)DFW HOYA Wrote:(06-16-2022 10:42 AM)PeteTheChop Wrote: Comments? Corrections? Additions?
SEC:
1. Clemson/FSU
2. Whoever they want
Nah, the SEC thinks bigger than that.
Their “Tier 1” team is Ohio State.
RE: Every conference commissioner likely has a "who's next" list ... - TallTexan - 06-16-2022 03:34 PM
(06-16-2022 03:20 PM)Wedge Wrote:(06-16-2022 12:54 PM)DFW HOYA Wrote:(06-16-2022 10:42 AM)PeteTheChop Wrote: Comments? Corrections? Additions?
SEC:
1. Clemson/FSU
2. Whoever they want
Nah, the SEC thinks bigger than that.
Their “Tier 1” team is Ohio State.
I was thinking the SEC probably has the biggest list.
Tier 1: Ohio State/USC
Tier 2: The blue bloods that come with Ohio State and USC
Tier 3: Whoever they want out of the ACC to round it out.
RE: Every conference commissioner likely has a "who's next" list ... - Fighting Muskie - 06-16-2022 04:07 PM
Any smart commissioner should have contingency plans in place.
At this point, the driving force is determined by how big the SEC and Big 10 want to go. Is the future 16, 18, 20, or 24?
RE: Every conference commissioner likely has a "who's next" list ... - Wedge - 06-16-2022 04:35 PM
(06-16-2022 03:34 PM)TallTexan Wrote:(06-16-2022 03:20 PM)Wedge Wrote:(06-16-2022 12:54 PM)DFW HOYA Wrote:(06-16-2022 10:42 AM)PeteTheChop Wrote: Comments? Corrections? Additions?
SEC:
1. Clemson/FSU
2. Whoever they want
Nah, the SEC thinks bigger than that.
Their “Tier 1” team is Ohio State.
I was thinking the SEC probably has the biggest list.
Tier 1: Ohio State/USC
Tier 2: The blue bloods that come with Ohio State and USC
Tier 3: Whoever they want out of the ACC to round it out.
Ohio State is a much, much easier add for the SEC.
Look at a map. Ohio State is:
-- Already adjacent to an SEC state
-- Less than 200 miles from the University of Kentucky
-- Less than 400 miles from both the University of Tennessee and Vanderbilt
-- Closer to the University of Alabama (by a few miles) than Alabama is to Texas A&M, and quite a bit closer to Alabama than Alabama is to SEC newbies Oklahoma and Texas
RE: Every conference commissioner likely has a "who's next" list ... - schmolik - 06-16-2022 04:52 PM
If you believe North Carolina/Duke are still "in charge" of the ACC, West Virginia is going to be a hard sell for the ACC.
RE: Every conference commissioner likely has a "who's next" list ... - SouthEastAlaska - 06-16-2022 05:04 PM
(06-16-2022 01:50 PM)PeteTheChop Wrote:(06-16-2022 01:13 PM)SouthEastAlaska Wrote: IMO, if Notre Dame is ever serious about joining a conference as a full member, including football, they're a tier 1 for every conference.
Also I would add Iowa state and Kansas state to Tier 3 for the PAC.
Just IMO, but don't think Notre Dame will join any conference as an all-sports member except for the B1G. Tried to limit the list to where there is conceivably at least a "small" chance of such additions taking place.
Possible the Pac-12 might reach as far as the suburbs of KC for a program with KU's stature in basketball but don't believe lesser lights from that far out of the current footprint would be sought.
I think your statement about Notre Dame and their preferences is probably correct, my statement is more from a the conference commissioner standpoint. If these conferences wouldn't move heaven and earth to get the Irish if they were available they're crazy.
RE: Every conference commissioner likely has a "who's next" list ... - PeteTheChop - 06-16-2022 05:22 PM
(06-16-2022 04:52 PM)schmolik Wrote: If you believe North Carolina/Duke are still "in charge" of the ACC, West Virginia is going to be a hard sell for the ACC.
Won't be so hard of Clemson and FSU are on their way to the SEC
RE: Every conference commissioner likely has a "who's next" list ... - PeteTheChop - 06-16-2022 05:25 PM
(06-16-2022 04:07 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote: Any smart commissioner should have contingency plans in place.
At this point, the driving force is determined by how big the SEC and Big 10 want to go. Is the future 16, 18, 20, or 24?
Is it a set number?
Or is it how many teams check the boxes for value and fit?
Most likely some combination of both
RE: Every conference commissioner likely has a "who's next" list ... - schmolik - 06-16-2022 05:43 PM
(06-16-2022 05:22 PM)PeteTheChop Wrote:(06-16-2022 04:52 PM)schmolik Wrote: If you believe North Carolina/Duke are still "in charge" of the ACC, West Virginia is going to be a hard sell for the ACC.
Won't be so hard of Clemson and FSU are on their way to the SEC
If Clemson and Florida State leave, I'd rate the chances of West Virginia joining the ACC even lower. Clemson and Florida State are probably two of the biggest reasons Louisville is in the ACC in the first place instead of Connecticut. Take two of the "football" schools away and that's two fewer votes and more power for UNC/Duke/UVa (we're assuming they don't leave as well of course).