(05-09-2022 12:42 PM)HuskiePride12 Wrote:  

(05-09-2022 12:35 PM)HuskieJ Wrote:  

(05-09-2022 12:17 PM)randyfensfanclub1 Wrote:  

(05-09-2022 09:13 AM)HuskieJ Wrote:  

(05-09-2022 08:23 AM)randyfensfanclub1 Wrote:  School went down academically, campus makeup changed as many of the suburban types went out of state for same price even less, campus overbuilt and parts turned to crap as enrollment went down. They have all played on each other. Not hard to see. Leadership may not be a great help, but there are outside factors beyond the school itself. Let's be honest. NIU was second fiddle to the schools kids are going to today as they have been for it's existence. Something many can't admit. It's just the gap has widened.

NIU was only second fiddle to U of I in-state until being lapped by ISU.
Leadership is definitely the issue with creatures like Eddie Williams almost
singlehandedly destroying DeKalb as a college town.

Yes, lapped by ISU. But kids have always been leaving the state for Iowa, IU and even WMU especially for certain curriculum. This state NEVER had a B player to UI. Only thing close were perhaps Business and a few other programs at NIU.

Now you have the likes of Alabama and Nebraska throwing everything at anything to increase their schools academically. When 15+ kids from various hs in Chicagoland are going to Alabama with scholarships says alot for where those schools stand, or stood.

From US News:

University of Alabama's ranking in the 2022 edition of Best Colleges is National Universities, #148. Its in-state tuition and fees are $11,620; out-of-state tuition and fees are $31,090.

Agreed. My daughter got instate tuition at Auburn, Clemson, Florida State, South Carolina and basically $0 tuition at Alabama, and the instate tuition of all these schools is $6k a year lower than Illinois schools. It was a no brainer to decide where to go. So much so that we decided to move out of Illinois altogether. My leadership comments on Illinois extend not only NIU, but to Illinois state government and agencies as well. They allow Illinois universities to have bloated bureaucracy, too many redundant programs and location, millions of dollars on useless locations like Governors State, Chicago State and University of Springfield with no real student populations. I just disagree on NIU not being the U of I alternative. It was the case in 1980 to 1990 during the high levels of HS graduates in Illinois. And NIU was way ahead of ISU in programs and student population at the peak, and close to being a top 100 public university (peaked out in the high 120 ranger) To see NIU fall so far is just disheartening.

+1000. They really need to close 1 or 2 schools in the next couple years. Spread whatever is left over to the other public universities

(05-09-2022 01:12 PM)randyfensfanclub1 Wrote:  

(05-09-2022 12:42 PM)HuskiePride12 Wrote:  

(05-09-2022 12:35 PM)HuskieJ Wrote:  

(05-09-2022 12:17 PM)randyfensfanclub1 Wrote:  

(05-09-2022 09:13 AM)HuskieJ Wrote:  NIU was only second fiddle to U of I in-state until being lapped by ISU.
Leadership is definitely the issue with creatures like Eddie Williams almost
singlehandedly destroying DeKalb as a college town.

Yes, lapped by ISU. But kids have always been leaving the state for Iowa, IU and even WMU especially for certain curriculum. This state NEVER had a B player to UI. Only thing close were perhaps Business and a few other programs at NIU.

Now you have the likes of Alabama and Nebraska throwing everything at anything to increase their schools academically. When 15+ kids from various hs in Chicagoland are going to Alabama with scholarships says alot for where those schools stand, or stood.

From US News:

University of Alabama's ranking in the 2022 edition of Best Colleges is National Universities, #148. Its in-state tuition and fees are $11,620; out-of-state tuition and fees are $31,090.

Agreed. My daughter got instate tuition at Auburn, Clemson, Florida State, South Carolina and basically $0 tuition at Alabama, and the instate tuition of all these schools is $6k a year lower than Illinois schools. It was a no brainer to decide where to go. So much so that we decided to move out of Illinois altogether. My leadership comments on Illinois extend not only NIU, but to Illinois state government and agencies as well. They allow Illinois universities to have bloated bureaucracy, too many redundant programs and location, millions of dollars on useless locations like Governors State, Chicago State and University of Springfield with no real student populations. I just disagree on NIU not being the U of I alternative. It was the case in 1980 to 1990 during the high levels of HS graduates in Illinois. And NIU was way ahead of ISU in programs and student population at the peak, and close to being a top 100 public university (peaked out in the high 120 ranger) To see NIU fall so far is just disheartening.

+1000. They really need to close 1 or 2 schools in the next couple years. Spread whatever is left over to the other public universities

NIU was the alternative to UI. But it still was not in the category of other B10 schools at the time. Not sur about WMU, but I know a few who went there. The only reason I and many others did not go was out of state cost. And back then residency was an issue, hard to prove. Unless I guess you were a city worker with a second residence in MI.

And while the state bears some responsibility, the mass exodus and parental influence on top of attractive more easily accessible locations all over the county are what they are, beyond control. When cost of living is less, weather the attraction for the white collar person is there as well as those non-union. Especially pre-covid.But many of those locations were paying less. Now NC, Texas are hotbeds....and salaries , cost of living are reflecting it. I heard Apple and others with hq is Austin are literally building communities. And if the trend of work from home continues, as stated, smaller and smaller metros with less cost of living will benefit.

(05-09-2022 02:57 PM)HuskieJ Wrote:  

(05-09-2022 01:12 PM)randyfensfanclub1 Wrote:  

(05-09-2022 12:42 PM)HuskiePride12 Wrote:  

(05-09-2022 12:35 PM)HuskieJ Wrote:  

(05-09-2022 12:17 PM)randyfensfanclub1 Wrote:  Yes, lapped by ISU. But kids have always been leaving the state for Iowa, IU and even WMU especially for certain curriculum. This state NEVER had a B player to UI. Only thing close were perhaps Business and a few other programs at NIU.

Now you have the likes of Alabama and Nebraska throwing everything at anything to increase their schools academically. When 15+ kids from various hs in Chicagoland are going to Alabama with scholarships says alot for where those schools stand, or stood.

From US News:

University of Alabama's ranking in the 2022 edition of Best Colleges is National Universities, #148. Its in-state tuition and fees are $11,620; out-of-state tuition and fees are $31,090.

Agreed. My daughter got instate tuition at Auburn, Clemson, Florida State, South Carolina and basically $0 tuition at Alabama, and the instate tuition of all these schools is $6k a year lower than Illinois schools. It was a no brainer to decide where to go. So much so that we decided to move out of Illinois altogether. My leadership comments on Illinois extend not only NIU, but to Illinois state government and agencies as well. They allow Illinois universities to have bloated bureaucracy, too many redundant programs and location, millions of dollars on useless locations like Governors State, Chicago State and University of Springfield with no real student populations. I just disagree on NIU not being the U of I alternative. It was the case in 1980 to 1990 during the high levels of HS graduates in Illinois. And NIU was way ahead of ISU in programs and student population at the peak, and close to being a top 100 public university (peaked out in the high 120 ranger) To see NIU fall so far is just disheartening.

+1000. They really need to close 1 or 2 schools in the next couple years. Spread whatever is left over to the other public universities

NIU was the alternative to UI. But it still was not in the category of other B10 schools at the time. Not sur about WMU, but I know a few who went there. The only reason I and many others did not go was out of state cost. And back then residency was an issue, hard to prove. Unless I guess you were a city worker with a second residence in MI.

And while the state bears some responsibility, the mass exodus and parental influence on top of attractive more easily accessible locations all over the county are what they are, beyond control. When cost of living is less, weather the attraction for the white collar person is there as well as those non-union. Especially pre-covid.But many of those locations were paying less. Now NC, Texas are hotbeds....and salaries , cost of living are reflecting it. I heard Apple and others with hq is Austin are literally building communities. And if the trend of work from home continues, as stated, smaller and smaller metros with less cost of living will benefit.

Point granted, but no way in hell NIU should be doing this poorly compared to peers UNI, Indiana State, Illinois State, most of the Michigan and Ohio MAC etc. No excuse and the result of poor leadership up and down the line.

(05-09-2022 12:42 PM)HuskiePride12 Wrote:  

(05-09-2022 12:35 PM)HuskieJ Wrote:  

(05-09-2022 12:17 PM)randyfensfanclub1 Wrote:  

(05-09-2022 09:13 AM)HuskieJ Wrote:  

(05-09-2022 08:23 AM)randyfensfanclub1 Wrote:  School went down academically, campus makeup changed as many of the suburban types went out of state for same price even less, campus overbuilt and parts turned to crap as enrollment went down. They have all played on each other. Not hard to see. Leadership may not be a great help, but there are outside factors beyond the school itself. Let's be honest. NIU was second fiddle to the schools kids are going to today as they have been for it's existence. Something many can't admit. It's just the gap has widened.

NIU was only second fiddle to U of I in-state until being lapped by ISU.
Leadership is definitely the issue with creatures like Eddie Williams almost
singlehandedly destroying DeKalb as a college town.

Yes, lapped by ISU. But kids have always been leaving the state for Iowa, IU and even WMU especially for certain curriculum. This state NEVER had a B player to UI. Only thing close were perhaps Business and a few other programs at NIU.

Now you have the likes of Alabama and Nebraska throwing everything at anything to increase their schools academically. When 15+ kids from various hs in Chicagoland are going to Alabama with scholarships says alot for where those schools stand, or stood.

From US News:

University of Alabama's ranking in the 2022 edition of Best Colleges is National Universities, #148. Its in-state tuition and fees are $11,620; out-of-state tuition and fees are $31,090.

Agreed. My daughter got instate tuition at Auburn, Clemson, Florida State, South Carolina and basically $0 tuition at Alabama, and the instate tuition of all these schools is $6k a year lower than Illinois schools. It was a no brainer to decide where to go. So much so that we decided to move out of Illinois altogether. My leadership comments on Illinois extend not only NIU, but to Illinois state government and agencies as well. They allow Illinois universities to have bloated bureaucracy, too many redundant programs and location, millions of dollars on useless locations like Governors State, Chicago State and University of Springfield with no real student populations. I just disagree on NIU not being the U of I alternative. It was the case in 1980 to 1990 during the high levels of HS graduates in Illinois. And NIU was way ahead of ISU in programs and student population at the peak, and close to being a top 100 public university (peaked out in the high 120 ranger) To see NIU fall so far is just disheartening.

+1000. They really need to close 1 or 2 schools in the next couple years. Spread whatever is left over to the other public universities

(06-16-2022 08:43 AM)pantone1935 Wrote:  https://niuhuskies.com/news/2022/6/15/general-new-partnership-with-opendorse-to-enhance-niu-opportunities.aspx

GO HUSKIES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

(05-07-2022 03:38 PM)Schaefer Beer Wrote:  

(05-07-2022 08:00 AM)NIUfilmmaker Wrote:  

(05-07-2022 04:23 AM)pvk75 Wrote:  Seriously this time, I for one think what you're trying to do is admirable and for good reason(s). I ask, though, what the hangup specifically was with the state. Perhaps a call to your state legislator?

I, again seriously, wonder how it was that Lombardi got the NIL deal with Fatty's. Or was that a "showcase" event for STF?

And just generally, if any businesses or other alumni are interested, is there a quick way to measure "reach" by checking the "likes" on a student-athlete's Twitter page? Is anyone doing that? I cannot see anything wrong with the ADept taking requests and passing them along, or if not, the NIU Foundation or HAF. Has to be some kind of clearinghouse/linkage that makes it easier. Unless that's where the state law snag is.

Lot's of questions, few answers.

Anyway, again, +.

None of the NIU golfers, as with many college golfers I'm sure, have many social media followers to speak of. The payment would reflect that, and we could put a small promo spend behind the postings. A small marketing bump, a small NIL needle mover for the program, quick win/win that the school certainly needs more of.

Like I said, sounds like the Illinois law makes things a bit messy or unclear, and that NIU leadership is doing a worse job than some other Illinois schools at navigating the issue. Frazier needs to create a NIL communication/booking pipeline, and then do a blanket email to all corp.-related alumni as a NIL explainer and invitation.

I do believe that NIL.was a downstream by-product of the lawsuit of the Northwestern players v NCAA. I do believe it was a labor law issue. Which brings me to my main point of why isn't STF asking a couple of Professors that teach Labor Law at NIU Law School what the best course of action to open NIL to student athletes.

(06-16-2022 05:28 PM)chihuskie Wrote:  

(05-07-2022 03:38 PM)Schaefer Beer Wrote:  

(05-07-2022 08:00 AM)NIUfilmmaker Wrote:  

(05-07-2022 04:23 AM)pvk75 Wrote:  Seriously this time, I for one think what you're trying to do is admirable and for good reason(s). I ask, though, what the hangup specifically was with the state. Perhaps a call to your state legislator?

I, again seriously, wonder how it was that Lombardi got the NIL deal with Fatty's. Or was that a "showcase" event for STF?

And just generally, if any businesses or other alumni are interested, is there a quick way to measure "reach" by checking the "likes" on a student-athlete's Twitter page? Is anyone doing that? I cannot see anything wrong with the ADept taking requests and passing them along, or if not, the NIU Foundation or HAF. Has to be some kind of clearinghouse/linkage that makes it easier. Unless that's where the state law snag is.

Lot's of questions, few answers.

Anyway, again, +.

None of the NIU golfers, as with many college golfers I'm sure, have many social media followers to speak of. The payment would reflect that, and we could put a small promo spend behind the postings. A small marketing bump, a small NIL needle mover for the program, quick win/win that the school certainly needs more of.

Like I said, sounds like the Illinois law makes things a bit messy or unclear, and that NIU leadership is doing a worse job than some other Illinois schools at navigating the issue. Frazier needs to create a NIL communication/booking pipeline, and then do a blanket email to all corp.-related alumni as a NIL explainer and invitation.

I do believe that NIL.was a downstream by-product of the lawsuit of the Northwestern players v NCAA. I do believe it was a labor law issue. Which brings me to my main point of why isn't STF asking a couple of Professors that teach Labor Law at NIU Law School what the best course of action to open NIL to student athletes.

I participated in that lawsuit! Seems like a long time ago. I had a very minor role-- but it was interesting!

(06-16-2022 10:38 PM)NIU75 Wrote:  NIU is only about 18 months behind most schools capitalizing on NIL funding.

(06-16-2022 10:38 PM)NIU75 Wrote:  NIU is only about 18 months behind most schools capitalizing on NIL funding.

(06-16-2022 10:07 AM)NIUfilmmaker Wrote:  Glad they are moving in the right direction.

God forbid they put a link in the article for interested alumni/NIL sponsors.

(06-16-2022 05:54 PM)Big Red Wrote:  

(06-16-2022 05:28 PM)chihuskie Wrote:  

(05-07-2022 03:38 PM)Schaefer Beer Wrote:  

(05-07-2022 08:00 AM)NIUfilmmaker Wrote:  

(05-07-2022 04:23 AM)pvk75 Wrote:  Seriously this time, I for one think what you're trying to do is admirable and for good reason(s). I ask, though, what the hangup specifically was with the state. Perhaps a call to your state legislator?

I, again seriously, wonder how it was that Lombardi got the NIL deal with Fatty's. Or was that a "showcase" event for STF?

And just generally, if any businesses or other alumni are interested, is there a quick way to measure "reach" by checking the "likes" on a student-athlete's Twitter page? Is anyone doing that? I cannot see anything wrong with the ADept taking requests and passing them along, or if not, the NIU Foundation or HAF. Has to be some kind of clearinghouse/linkage that makes it easier. Unless that's where the state law snag is.

Lot's of questions, few answers.

Anyway, again, +.

None of the NIU golfers, as with many college golfers I'm sure, have many social media followers to speak of. The payment would reflect that, and we could put a small promo spend behind the postings. A small marketing bump, a small NIL needle mover for the program, quick win/win that the school certainly needs more of.

Like I said, sounds like the Illinois law makes things a bit messy or unclear, and that NIU leadership is doing a worse job than some other Illinois schools at navigating the issue. Frazier needs to create a NIL communication/booking pipeline, and then do a blanket email to all corp.-related alumni as a NIL explainer and invitation.

I do believe that NIL.was a downstream by-product of the lawsuit of the Northwestern players v NCAA. I do believe it was a labor law issue. Which brings me to my main point of why isn't STF asking a couple of Professors that teach Labor Law at NIU Law School what the best course of action to open NIL to student athletes.

I participated in that lawsuit! Seems like a long time ago. I had a very minor role-- but it was interesting!

I'm 100% certain the athletic department has legal representation that not only litigates on their behalf if something were to arise but also to give legal council on any questions they may have.

In other words, there's literally zero reasons to go talk to some professor in the college of law about anything.

(06-27-2022 05:00 PM)NIU75 Wrote:  9.5 million for a QB.
Ohio State AD said his collective needed 3 million for a QB. The price of QBs just went up.

https://www.on3.com/nil/news/jaden-rashada-turned-down-millions-will-still-have-highest-known-nil-deal-for-recruits/