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3 × 24 breakaway - ClairtonPanther - 04-14-2022 12:19 PM
B1G:
East: Pitt, PSU, Maryland, Rutgers, Notre Dame, Miami
Great Lakes: Michigan, Michigan St, Ohio State, Indiana, Illinois, Purdue
Great Plains: Wisconsin, Minnesota, Nebraska, Iowa, Colorado, Utah
Pac: USC, UCLA, California, Oregon, Arizona, Washington
Southern:
SE: Georgia, GA Tech, Florida, FSU, S. Carolina, Clemson
Atlantic: North Carolina, Virginia, Virginia Tech, North Carolina State, Kentucky, Louisville
Deep South: Ole Miss, Mississippi State, Alabama, Auburn, Vanderbilt, Tennessee
SW: LSU, Arkansas, Texas, Texas A&M, Missouri, Oklahoma
Big American
East: Boston College, Syracuse, WVU, Temple, Cincinnati, UConn
South: Houston, Memphis, UCF, Texas Tech, TCU, Baylor
Plains: Iowa St, Oklahoma St, Arizona St, Kansas, Kansas St, Colorado St.
West: Washington St, Oregon St, Stanford, BYU, Boise St, Utah St
Duke, WF, and NW drops football and joins the Big East along with several other powers like Gonzaga and Xavier and joins the breakaway.
RE: 3 × 24 breakaway - bullet - 04-14-2022 01:03 PM
Think you forgot Kansas. And Baylor beats out a bunch of those schools you included in the Big American as well.
RE: 3 × 24 breakaway - ClairtonPanther - 04-14-2022 01:25 PM
(04-14-2022 01:03 PM)bullet Wrote: Think you forgot Kansas. And Baylor beats out a bunch of those schools you included in the Big American as well.
Fixed... Big XII schools were forgotten. I hate this direction. But it is what it is.
RE: 3 × 24 breakaway - CliftonAve - 04-14-2022 01:50 PM
In that scenario Pitt would more likely be in the Big American vs. the B1G. Northwestern, WF and Duke would figure out a way to be included.
RE: 3 × 24 breakaway - ClairtonPanther - 04-14-2022 02:00 PM
(04-14-2022 01:50 PM)CliftonAve Wrote: In that scenario Pitt would more likely be in the Big American vs. the B1G. Northwestern, WF and Duke would figure out a way to be included.
Which wouldn't be completely awful. Northwestern, of the three, would be the likeliest, to remain in a big conference. Duke and Wake have zero shot.
RE: 3 × 24 breakaway - Wahoowa84 - 04-14-2022 06:06 PM
B1G
East - Rutgers, Maryland, Penn State, Pitt, Notre Dame and Purdue
North - Ohio State, Michigan, Michigan State, Indiana, Northwestern and Illinois
Plains & Mountains - Wisconsin, Minnesota, Iowa, Nebraska, Colorado and Arizona
Pacific - USC, UCLA, Cal-Berkeley, Stanford, Oregon and Washington
Southern
Southwest - Texas, Texas A&M, Oklahoma, Missouri, Arkansas and LSU
South Central - Ole Miss, Mississippi State, Alabama, Auburn, Tennessee and Vanderbilt
Southeast - South Carolina, Georgia, Georgia Tech, Florida, Florida State and Miami
East - Clemson, UNC, Duke, UVa, Virginia Tech and Kentucky
National
East - BC, Syracuse, Wake Forest, NC State, Central Florida and South Florida
Central - Louisville, Cincinnati, West Virginia, TCU, Houston and Memphis
Plains - Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, Oklahoma State, Texas Tech and Baylor
West - Arizona State, Washington State, Oregon State, Utah, BYU and San Diego State
There are lots of close calls for conference membership in a 3x24 set-up...probably better to keep the ACC together.
RE: 3 × 24 breakaway - SouthEastAlaska - 04-14-2022 10:55 PM
I still struggle to see 3 x 24. IMO 3x 24 is the middle step in a 3 step process towards 2 conferences. Using the idea of 72 teams I came up with a rough 4x18 team conferences.
PAC
- Division A
⦁ USC
⦁ UCLA
⦁ Utah
⦁ Colorado
⦁ Arizona
⦁ Arizona State
-Division B
⦁ Washington
⦁ WSU
⦁ Oregon
⦁ Oregon State
⦁ Stanford
⦁ California
-Division C
⦁ Kansas State
⦁ Iowa State
⦁ Kansas
⦁ Oklahoma State
⦁ Texas Tech
⦁ Houston
B1G
-Division A
⦁ Nebraska
⦁ Iowa
⦁ Minnesota
⦁ Wisconsin
⦁ Illinois
⦁ Northwestern
-Division B
⦁ Purdue
⦁ Indiana
⦁ Notre Dame
⦁ Ohio State
⦁ Michigan
⦁ Michigan State
-Division C
⦁ Penn State
⦁ Rutgers
⦁ Maryland
⦁ Virginia
⦁ North Carolina
⦁ Duke
SEC
-Division A
⦁ Oklahoma
⦁ Texas
⦁ Texas A&M
⦁ Missouri
⦁ Arkansas
⦁ LSU
-Division B
⦁ Ole Miss
⦁ Mississippi State
⦁ Auburn
⦁ Alabama
⦁ Tennessee
⦁ Vanderbilt
-Division C
⦁ Kentucky
⦁ South Carolina
⦁ Clemson
⦁ Georgia
⦁ Florida
⦁ Florida State
National
-Division A
⦁ BYU
⦁ Colorado State
⦁ Baylor
⦁ TCU
⦁ Memphis
⦁ Louisville
-Division B
⦁ Cincinnati
⦁ Pittsburgh
⦁ West Virginia
⦁ Syracuse
⦁ Boston College
⦁ Virginia Tech
-Division C
⦁ N.C. State
⦁ Wake Forest
⦁ Georgia Tech
⦁ Central Florida
⦁ South Florida
⦁ Miami
This kind of set up seems like an easier way for the networks. This also works extremely well for a 12 team playoff where the best team from each division from each conference gets a spot. You would keep the max number of people engaged in the regular season and the CFP.
RE: 3 × 24 breakaway - JRsec - 04-15-2022 12:36 AM
(04-14-2022 10:55 PM)SouthEastAlaska Wrote: I still struggle to see 3 x 24. IMO 3x 24 is the middle step in a 3 step process towards 2 conferences. Using the idea of 72 teams I came up with a rough 4x18 team conferences.
PAC
- Division A
⦁ USC
⦁ UCLA
⦁ Utah
⦁ Colorado
⦁ Arizona
⦁ Arizona State
-Division B
⦁ Washington
⦁ WSU
⦁ Oregon
⦁ Oregon State
⦁ Stanford
⦁ California
-Division C
⦁ Kansas State
⦁ Iowa State
⦁ Kansas
⦁ Oklahoma State
⦁ Texas Tech
⦁ Houston
B1G
-Division A
⦁ Nebraska
⦁ Iowa
⦁ Minnesota
⦁ Wisconsin
⦁ Illinois
⦁ Northwestern
-Division B
⦁ Purdue
⦁ Indiana
⦁ Notre Dame
⦁ Ohio State
⦁ Michigan
⦁ Michigan State
-Division C
⦁ Penn State
⦁ Rutgers
⦁ Maryland
⦁ Virginia
⦁ North Carolina
⦁ Duke
SEC
-Division A
⦁ Oklahoma
⦁ Texas
⦁ Texas A&M
⦁ Missouri
⦁ Arkansas
⦁ LSU
-Division B
⦁ Ole Miss
⦁ Mississippi State
⦁ Auburn
⦁ Alabama
⦁ Tennessee
⦁ Vanderbilt
-Division C
⦁ Kentucky
⦁ South Carolina
⦁ Clemson
⦁ Georgia
⦁ Florida
⦁ Florida State
National
-Division A
⦁ BYU
⦁ Colorado State
⦁ Baylor
⦁ TCU
⦁ Memphis
⦁ Louisville
-Division B
⦁ Cincinnati
⦁ Pittsburgh
⦁ West Virginia
⦁ Syracuse
⦁ Boston College
⦁ Virginia Tech
-Division C
⦁ N.C. State
⦁ Wake Forest
⦁ Georgia Tech
⦁ Central Florida
⦁ South Florida
⦁ Miami
This kind of set up seems like an easier way for the networks. This also works extremely well for a 12 team playoff where the best team from each division from each conference gets a spot. You would keep the max number of people engaged in the regular season and the CFP.
It's a well-conceived pleasant fiction. What it ignores is the nasty reality that it requires ESPN to surrender rights they simply won't give up. It requires ESPN to abandon a strategic plan which is working. And it denies FOX's waning interest in college sports.
The sport would be better off with this arrangement but it also flies in the face of the carefully crafted revenue disparity, the effects of which create an irrepressible force for brand consolidation. Which, of course, is where we are headed.
RE: 3 × 24 breakaway - Big 12 fan too - 04-15-2022 12:41 AM
I don’t see 24 as the number for all three.
BIG will add 6-9 Pac12 schools. 20 or 24 works well as numbers,
SEC may add 4-8 ACC schools plus KU. UNC, Duke, and KU plus Clemson, UVA, a Florida school. I could see them stopping at 22 or adding both Florida schools and a surprise (like Maryland). If 24 maybe Louisville and VT.
The third conference will be smaller Imo. Big 12 plus leftovers from Pac12, ACC, and maybe 1 or 2 AAC/MWC
RE: 3 × 24 breakaway - EdwordL - 04-15-2022 12:39 PM
(04-14-2022 01:50 PM)CliftonAve Wrote: In that scenario Pitt would more likely be in the Big American vs. the B1G. Northwestern, WF and Duke would figure out a way to be included.
Don't know if it will happen, but Kansas has always aspired to join the B1G and would provide a bridge between the PAC schools and Nebraska.
If BB breaks free of the NCAA, Kansas will become much more valuable to both B1G and SEC.
RE: 3 × 24 breakaway - SouthEastAlaska - 04-15-2022 03:13 PM
(04-15-2022 12:36 AM)JRsec Wrote:(04-14-2022 10:55 PM)SouthEastAlaska Wrote: I still struggle to see 3 x 24. IMO 3x 24 is the middle step in a 3 step process towards 2 conferences. Using the idea of 72 teams I came up with a rough 4x18 team conferences.
PAC
- Division A
⦁ USC
⦁ UCLA
⦁ Utah
⦁ Colorado
⦁ Arizona
⦁ Arizona State
-Division B
⦁ Washington
⦁ WSU
⦁ Oregon
⦁ Oregon State
⦁ Stanford
⦁ California
-Division C
⦁ Kansas State
⦁ Iowa State
⦁ Kansas
⦁ Oklahoma State
⦁ Texas Tech
⦁ Houston
B1G
-Division A
⦁ Nebraska
⦁ Iowa
⦁ Minnesota
⦁ Wisconsin
⦁ Illinois
⦁ Northwestern
-Division B
⦁ Purdue
⦁ Indiana
⦁ Notre Dame
⦁ Ohio State
⦁ Michigan
⦁ Michigan State
-Division C
⦁ Penn State
⦁ Rutgers
⦁ Maryland
⦁ Virginia
⦁ North Carolina
⦁ Duke
SEC
-Division A
⦁ Oklahoma
⦁ Texas
⦁ Texas A&M
⦁ Missouri
⦁ Arkansas
⦁ LSU
-Division B
⦁ Ole Miss
⦁ Mississippi State
⦁ Auburn
⦁ Alabama
⦁ Tennessee
⦁ Vanderbilt
-Division C
⦁ Kentucky
⦁ South Carolina
⦁ Clemson
⦁ Georgia
⦁ Florida
⦁ Florida State
National
-Division A
⦁ BYU
⦁ Colorado State
⦁ Baylor
⦁ TCU
⦁ Memphis
⦁ Louisville
-Division B
⦁ Cincinnati
⦁ Pittsburgh
⦁ West Virginia
⦁ Syracuse
⦁ Boston College
⦁ Virginia Tech
-Division C
⦁ N.C. State
⦁ Wake Forest
⦁ Georgia Tech
⦁ Central Florida
⦁ South Florida
⦁ Miami
This kind of set up seems like an easier way for the networks. This also works extremely well for a 12 team playoff where the best team from each division from each conference gets a spot. You would keep the max number of people engaged in the regular season and the CFP.
It's a well-conceived pleasant fiction. What it ignores is the nasty reality that it requires ESPN to surrender rights they simply won't give up. It requires ESPN to abandon a strategic plan which is working. And it denies FOX's waning interest in college sports.
The sport would be better off with this arrangement but it also flies in the face of the carefully crafted revenue disparity, the effects of which create an irrepressible force for brand consolidation. Which, of course, is where we are headed.
I agree that the end game is a two conference league that resembles a bigger NFL.
I guess my question is could this kind of set-up be Americas professional college football baptism. I feel like this would be more tolerable for both tee shirt wearers and graduates alike.
To your point about revenue, I agree, my reason for crafting the league this way would be to even out the distribution of CFP money thus raising the average pay per conference. I could be wrong but I think this would make the average pay out per school for each of my proposed conferences something like, SEC $100mil, B1G $95mil, PAC $80mil, and NAT $70mil.
Running some quick math, this would be an annual pay out for all the schools plus the CFP at 6.21 billion per season. In comparison, the NFL currently is in a 12 year deal 22' - 33' for an average of 9.31 billion per season. I feel like that would be a pretty decent deal for the networks, They would get the 2nd most watched sport behind the NFL, double the product 72 teams to 32, at 2/3 the price.
NFL reference link
https://www.statista.com/statistics/615678/nfl-national-television-broadcast-deals/#:~:text=Sports%20network%20ESPN%20agreed%20a,for%2013.2%20billion%20U.S.%20dollars.
RE: 3 × 24 breakaway - ken d - 04-17-2022 07:36 AM
The problem with these scenarios is that none of the stakeholders in college athletics want this to happen. They would require that schools and their media partners submit to arbitrary assignments imposed by some institution with no stake in the outcome. It would require that current stakeholders voluntarily relinquish advantages they have earned over many decades. All for a scenario that at the end of the day is only a marginal improvement in the eyes of some fans with no skin in the game.
Unless we can show a path where the real stakeholders want something like this to happen, it's going to remain fantasy.
RE: 3 × 24 breakaway - Big 12 fan too - 04-18-2022 10:14 PM
(04-17-2022 07:36 AM)ken d Wrote: The problem with these scenarios is that none of the stakeholders in college athletics want this to happen. They would require that schools and their media partners submit to arbitrary assignments imposed by some institution with no stake in the outcome. It would require that current stakeholders voluntarily relinquish advantages they have earned over many decades. All for a scenario that at the end of the day is only a marginal improvement in the eyes of some fans with no skin in the game.
Unless we can show a path where the real stakeholders want something like this to happen, it's going to remain fantasy.
It only takes the stakeholders at the top of the weaker conferences to get it.
Do you think USC is happy making half in the NIL/employment era?
Clemson/FSU?
USC is nearly a free agent right now, with the fate of the Pac12 in its hands. That’s assuming the stakeholders at the ivory tower types don’t fold anyway.
The ACC has the GOR, but a forced union on FSU, then Clemson, is not worth the costs. UNC and Co may be fine with spending $300 million to delay the death of the ACC, but the NC St types won’t be. They’ll need to use their dissolution vote to secure a good home after the ACC.