(02-23-2022 06:26 PM)The Doctor Is In Wrote:  Just wondering...we have a similar "situation". Wondering, what is Ladner's salary?

(03-21-2022 09:38 AM)HarborPointe Wrote:  Right now, we’re better off spending our money on making the job better than replacing who has it with another person desperate enough to take it. We’re playing the long game at this point.

Let Ladner keep working for cheap until we at least bring the Coliseum into the 1990s and some of that Sun Belt money starts coming in and we can bump the recruiting budget. Then bring in somebody who can coach. Until then, you’re just handing another driver the keys to the Yugo.

Eustachy was a national Coach of the Year with connections out the wazzu, and it took him 6 years to make a postseason tournament of any kind. Tyndall had to trade 3 years of probation and the rest of his D1 career for a couple NIT appearances here.

Ladner sucks, but handing him $600k just so we can watch somebody else struggle to win 4-5 more games the next couple years isn’t the play right now. It’s frustrating as hell, but that’s what 20 years of neglecting a program gets you.

(03-22-2022 09:53 AM)Reggie Favre Wrote:  

(03-21-2022 09:38 AM)HarborPointe Wrote:  Right now, we’re better off spending our money on making the job better than replacing who has it with another person desperate enough to take it. We’re playing the long game at this point.

Let Ladner keep working for cheap until we at least bring the Coliseum into the 1990s and some of that Sun Belt money starts coming in and we can bump the recruiting budget. Then bring in somebody who can coach. Until then, you’re just handing another driver the keys to the Yugo.

Eustachy was a national Coach of the Year with connections out the wazzu, and it took him 6 years to make a postseason tournament of any kind. Tyndall had to trade 3 years of probation and the rest of his D1 career for a couple NIT appearances here.

Ladner sucks, but handing him $600k just so we can watch somebody else struggle to win 4-5 more games the next couple years isn’t the play right now. It’s frustrating as hell, but that’s what 20 years of neglecting a program gets you.

Has the program been neglected? Yes and no.
Probably more yes than no. But Tyndall had more success than anyone and that was not long ago. Had the same garbage coliseum. Also, as you said, LE had success. Sadler sank the ship. That was the hire that ruined everything. Imagine EJ for 4-5 years (apologies to Sadler, he was not as bad as EJ).

The Yurt is quite the eyesore. Though it doesn't look near as bad inside and has had a few updates. It still is terrible and needs more. However, I dont see it as an excuse to be as bad as Ladner and Sadler were. Especially coming off all those consecutive 20-win seasons.

(03-24-2022 09:19 PM)HarborPointe Wrote:  

(03-22-2022 09:53 AM)Reggie Favre Wrote:  

(03-21-2022 09:38 AM)HarborPointe Wrote:  Right now, we’re better off spending our money on making the job better than replacing who has it with another person desperate enough to take it. We’re playing the long game at this point.

Let Ladner keep working for cheap until we at least bring the Coliseum into the 1990s and some of that Sun Belt money starts coming in and we can bump the recruiting budget. Then bring in somebody who can coach. Until then, you’re just handing another driver the keys to the Yugo.

Eustachy was a national Coach of the Year with connections out the wazzu, and it took him 6 years to make a postseason tournament of any kind. Tyndall had to trade 3 years of probation and the rest of his D1 career for a couple NIT appearances here.

Ladner sucks, but handing him $600k just so we can watch somebody else struggle to win 4-5 more games the next couple years isn’t the play right now. It’s frustrating as hell, but that’s what 20 years of neglecting a program gets you.

Has the program been neglected? Yes and no.
Probably more yes than no. But Tyndall had more success than anyone and that was not long ago. Had the same garbage coliseum. Also, as you said, LE had success. Sadler sank the ship. That was the hire that ruined everything. Imagine EJ for 4-5 years (apologies to Sadler, he was not as bad as EJ).

The Yurt is quite the eyesore. Though it doesn't look near as bad inside and has had a few updates. It still is terrible and needs more. However, I dont see it as an excuse to be as bad as Ladner and Sadler were. Especially coming off all those consecutive 20-win seasons.

You continue to gloss over the fact that Tyndall cheated his a** off, left the school and his replacement with a stack of impending then actual penalties, and rendered himself unemployable in the process. Quite literally nothing Tyndall did counts, as his official record here stands at 0–17.

The real mistake was letting Eustachy go. A couple more years with him at the helm, and maybe we have a program with some credibility. If we could luck into another big name like his, I could get behind that, because those kinds of connections & name value are what’s needed to counter our lack of infrastructure and financial investment. It’d still take somebody like that at least a few years to turn the tide, though.

Beyond that, again I say, fix the job before getting too worried about who has it. Ladner doesn’t need to be here a day longer than necessary, but it ain’t worth 600 grand to make him go away in the grand scheme of things.

(03-25-2022 09:56 PM)Reggie Favre Wrote:  Donnie got completely hosed. He did less than most coaches are doing every year. He got caught and it was nothing compared to what most schools do. You can continue to gloss over that.

Quote:I could be wrong, but pretty sure there would be no need to buy Ladner out at $600k, had he not just received an extension. I would be in the $300k category - which we would make up in ticket sales alone, multiple times over, in the first year with the right hire.