(01-11-2022 10:56 PM)Big Ron Buckeye Wrote:  ... a slew of "invincible" feeling 19 -21 year-olds feel disrespected and leave good situations ...

(01-12-2022 12:39 AM)Stugray2 Wrote:  Agree with Wedge, that would make sense for Frost. On the other hand perhaps his recruiting just isn't going well.

I find it rather distasteful for some old dude (I'm an old dude too) like Big Ron Buckeye to spout off negatively, insinuating childish motivations.

(01-11-2022 10:56 PM)Big Ron Buckeye Wrote:  ... a slew of "invincible" feeling 19 -21 year-olds feel disrespected and leave good situations ...

Yeesh, people make career moves all the time, especially the first few years as they try to find a fit. How many places when you were 17 or 18 gave you this super pitch you bought, but when you check it out it's not right for you? How many of us stayed in that first job out of school, rather than use it to figure out what we really wanted to do? Is that childish and leaving a good situation? Good for whom, the company that hired you, or good for you looking at your career.

Ridiculous.

(01-11-2022 10:56 PM)Big Ron Buckeye Wrote:  So, Nebraska has never been a juggernaut in recruiting. They've had success with their walk-on program, the prop 48 days and most recently in the Big12 recruiting Texas. However, it looks like they are about to try out players from the transfer portal like nobody's business. In my opinion, it makes a lot of sense and I can see more programs (that struggle to sign elite talent) trying this approach. Most programs fill up their class after the early signing period with maybe a scholarship or two to spare for ultra talented players that may come down the pike. Nebraska has only signed (as of 1/11/2022) 14 players, but it seems like NU is hyperactive in the transfer portal.
Here's the dirty little secret about the portal...far more players enter than ever come out, and a slew of "invincible" feeling 19 -21 year-olds feel disrespected and leave good situations so there is more than enough talent than will ever get called upon out of the portal.
While most schools are selectively active in the portal most schools still more highly prize high school recruit over transfers (even though with the portal they are no safer bets to stay with the program than transfers additional benefits of pulling players out of the portal are that you probably have college level film on them and it may be harder to transfer and play immediately without sitting out a year after the first transfer.
For those of you too young to remember...Bill Synder changed the game and built Kansas State into a National power by going hard after junior college players and winning big with them. I feel like Nebraska leaving open 11 initial place counters for the 2022 recruiting cycle could be the start of a serious trend for some programs to make the transfer portal the #1 focus in talent acquisition instead of high school talent...especially in non-talent laden regions of the country. In the long term perhaps the portal could level the playing field in terms of talent spread out around the nation.

(01-12-2022 11:49 AM)YNot Wrote:  Good take. I see that Nebraska has recently attracted the following players via the portal:

CB from Arizona State
QB from Texas
WR from LSU
RB from Texas A&M
OL from Oklahoma State
WR from NMSU
OL from Northern Colorado
P from Montana
K from Furman

They've also lost a handful of players to the portal.

(01-12-2022 11:39 AM)johnintx Wrote:  I think there's something to this. In Nebraska's case, it could help save Scott Frost's job.

I heard an interview on Sirius XM a couple of weeks ago about the number of players in the portal, and the ridiculous number of players that don't come out. I forgot the percentages, but it was something like 1/2 to 2/3 of players don't come out of the portal. If a guy goes into the portal looking for another place to play, there is no guarantee there will be an opening at another school.

As mentioned upthread, transfers have always been part of college basketball, especially from the junior college ranks. And, Bill Snyder took advantage of the large number of Kansas junior colleges to build his program at K-State. Nebraska is in a similar geographic position.

There are a ton of guys in the portal, and comparably fewer places to play. If Nebraska can get enough B1G caliber guys out of the portal with two or three years of eligibility, it'll work for them.

Here's an article I found regarding statistics on the portal. It's a couple of weeks old, so the numbers have changed. But, we're seeing that there are more players in the portal than spots to transfer to.

https://thespun.com/college-football/telling-statistics-emerge-from-the-ncaas-transfer-portal

(01-12-2022 07:52 PM)Big Ron Buckeye Wrote:  

(01-12-2022 11:39 AM)johnintx Wrote:  I think there's something to this. In Nebraska's case, it could help save Scott Frost's job.

I heard an interview on Sirius XM a couple of weeks ago about the number of players in the portal, and the ridiculous number of players that don't come out. I forgot the percentages, but it was something like 1/2 to 2/3 of players don't come out of the portal. If a guy goes into the portal looking for another place to play, there is no guarantee there will be an opening at another school.

As mentioned upthread, transfers have always been part of college basketball, especially from the junior college ranks. And, Bill Snyder took advantage of the large number of Kansas junior colleges to build his program at K-State. Nebraska is in a similar geographic position.

There are a ton of guys in the portal, and comparably fewer places to play. If Nebraska can get enough B1G caliber guys out of the portal with two or three years of eligibility, it'll work for them.

Here's an article I found regarding statistics on the portal. It's a couple of weeks old, so the numbers have changed. But, we're seeing that there are more players in the portal than spots to transfer to.

https://thespun.com/college-football/telling-statistics-emerge-from-the-ncaas-transfer-portal

Thanks for the link. 50% or 66%... either way, that's a lot of young people giving up a free education.

(01-12-2022 09:49 PM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  

(01-12-2022 07:52 PM)Big Ron Buckeye Wrote:  

(01-12-2022 11:39 AM)johnintx Wrote:  I think there's something to this. In Nebraska's case, it could help save Scott Frost's job.

I heard an interview on Sirius XM a couple of weeks ago about the number of players in the portal, and the ridiculous number of players that don't come out. I forgot the percentages, but it was something like 1/2 to 2/3 of players don't come out of the portal. If a guy goes into the portal looking for another place to play, there is no guarantee there will be an opening at another school.

As mentioned upthread, transfers have always been part of college basketball, especially from the junior college ranks. And, Bill Snyder took advantage of the large number of Kansas junior colleges to build his program at K-State. Nebraska is in a similar geographic position.

There are a ton of guys in the portal, and comparably fewer places to play. If Nebraska can get enough B1G caliber guys out of the portal with two or three years of eligibility, it'll work for them.

Here's an article I found regarding statistics on the portal. It's a couple of weeks old, so the numbers have changed. But, we're seeing that there are more players in the portal than spots to transfer to.

https://thespun.com/college-football/telling-statistics-emerge-from-the-ncaas-transfer-portal

Thanks for the link. 50% or 66%... either way, that's a lot of young people giving up a free education.

I don't know the % but there are a number of players that leave the portal and are welcomed back by their original schools.

(01-12-2022 08:07 AM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  

(01-11-2022 10:56 PM)Big Ron Buckeye Wrote:  So, Nebraska has never been a juggernaut in recruiting. They've had success with their walk-on program, the prop 48 days and most recently in the Big12 recruiting Texas. However, it looks like they are about to try out players from the transfer portal like nobody's business. In my opinion, it makes a lot of sense and I can see more programs (that struggle to sign elite talent) trying this approach. Most programs fill up their class after the early signing period with maybe a scholarship or two to spare for ultra talented players that may come down the pike. Nebraska has only signed (as of 1/11/2022) 14 players, but it seems like NU is hyperactive in the transfer portal.
Here's the dirty little secret about the portal...far more players enter than ever come out, and a slew of "invincible" feeling 19 -21 year-olds feel disrespected and leave good situations so there is more than enough talent than will ever get called upon out of the portal.
While most schools are selectively active in the portal most schools still more highly prize high school recruit over transfers (even though with the portal they are no safer bets to stay with the program than transfers additional benefits of pulling players out of the portal are that you probably have college level film on them and it may be harder to transfer and play immediately without sitting out a year after the first transfer.
For those of you too young to remember...Bill Synder changed the game and built Kansas State into a National power by going hard after junior college players and winning big with them. I feel like Nebraska leaving open 11 initial place counters for the 2022 recruiting cycle could be the start of a serious trend for some programs to make the transfer portal the #1 focus in talent acquisition instead of high school talent...especially in non-talent laden regions of the country. In the long term perhaps the portal could level the playing field in terms of talent spread out around the nation.

I would point out that Bob Huggins was a pioneer in getting kids from JuCo. Herb Jones, Corie Blount, Erik Martin, Terry Nelson, Nick Van Exel... and that was just his the first 2 recruiting seasons at UC. His Final Four team in 1992 had 8 JUCo transfers.

I never understood why that was a "thing" in basketball for so long before it became acceptable in football.

(01-17-2022 09:24 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  Nebraska is very unlikely to ever make a come back. If you are a Teen football stud, do you want to go live in Nebraska for 3 or 4 years?

Not me.

(01-12-2022 08:07 AM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  

(01-11-2022 10:56 PM)Big Ron Buckeye Wrote:  So, Nebraska has never been a juggernaut in recruiting. They've had success with their walk-on program, the prop 48 days and most recently in the Big12 recruiting Texas. However, it looks like they are about to try out players from the transfer portal like nobody's business. In my opinion, it makes a lot of sense and I can see more programs (that struggle to sign elite talent) trying this approach. Most programs fill up their class after the early signing period with maybe a scholarship or two to spare for ultra talented players that may come down the pike. Nebraska has only signed (as of 1/11/2022) 14 players, but it seems like NU is hyperactive in the transfer portal.
Here's the dirty little secret about the portal...far more players enter than ever come out, and a slew of "invincible" feeling 19 -21 year-olds feel disrespected and leave good situations so there is more than enough talent than will ever get called upon out of the portal.
While most schools are selectively active in the portal most schools still more highly prize high school recruit over transfers (even though with the portal they are no safer bets to stay with the program than transfers additional benefits of pulling players out of the portal are that you probably have college level film on them and it may be harder to transfer and play immediately without sitting out a year after the first transfer.
For those of you too young to remember...Bill Synder changed the game and built Kansas State into a National power by going hard after junior college players and winning big with them. I feel like Nebraska leaving open 11 initial place counters for the 2022 recruiting cycle could be the start of a serious trend for some programs to make the transfer portal the #1 focus in talent acquisition instead of high school talent...especially in non-talent laden regions of the country. In the long term perhaps the portal could level the playing field in terms of talent spread out around the nation.

I would point out that Bob Huggins was a pioneer in getting kids from JuCo. Herb Jones, Corie Blount, Erik Martin, Terry Nelson, Nick Van Exel... and that was just his the first 2 recruiting seasons at UC. His Final Four team in 1992 had 8 JUCo transfers.

I never understood why that was a "thing" in basketball for so long before it became acceptable in football.

(01-17-2022 09:40 AM)cottager Wrote:  

(01-17-2022 09:24 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  Nebraska is very unlikely to ever make a come back. If you are a Teen football stud, do you want to go live in Nebraska for 3 or 4 years?

Not me.

Depends on what the boosters are able to pay. If they can offer 50k+ some kids will show up. There’s an interesting article out about A&M’s recruiting efforts and what they are offering recruits to sign and stick around for three to four years.