(01-14-2022 12:29 PM)RealDeal Wrote:  

(01-14-2022 09:50 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  I think there is an interesting wrinkle there with Prater...it stands to reason that they'd run him more due to the inconsistency with passing, but his frame is SO slight, that they'd have to worry about injury while doing it.

I think frame is overrated. Some QBs are good at avoiding the big hits. Lamar Jackson isn't huge and hasn't been injured much. He got hurt this year on a passing play; not a designed run. I'm not saying that we run QB power 10 times a game but I think we can incorporate more QB run game without endangering the QB.

Heck we ran Des a lot more when he was smaller than when he developed a frame that you would think could handle more.

(01-14-2022 01:21 PM)eroc Wrote:  

(01-14-2022 01:28 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  I think that was more because we had a solid backup and his passing was inconsistent at the time. When you aren't comfortable with the backup, you tend to protect your starter, and the emergence of his passing meant there wasn't a significant skill gap between rush and pass at that point.

(01-12-2022 12:47 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(01-12-2022 12:33 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Biggest game of the...well ever...and we had the least imaginative play calling possible. Made zero sense.

I mean, to some extent I understand where they are coming from...get a TO or two, hope you make something happen on offense and it's a close game while limiting the best offense in the country to fewer possessions. Unfortunately, the defensive conservatism bled over to the offense, and it just stuck up the whole building by the end of the day. Really though, if we recover that muffed punt, it's a 4 point game with us getting the ball at the half...I doubt any of us would've complained being in that situation, and that's exactly what they were going for by keeping the game in front of them. I'm more upset about the offense than the defense...I'd rather take the million cuts (allowing Bama to run) than the MG40 (allowing Bryce Young to pass) and hope you can find a medic to patch up the wounds (offense does anything). There is also no telling if have 4 guys at the line would've done anything...our 1's were clearly outmatched down there, so throwing another guy out there who isn't even up to that level may have done nothing but limit the amount of second level tacklers.

(01-12-2022 12:33 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Biggest game of the...well ever...and we had the least imaginative play calling possible. Made zero sense.

(01-12-2022 06:11 PM)eroc Wrote:  

(01-12-2022 11:45 AM)RealDeal Wrote:  

(01-12-2022 09:47 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  Yes, I think that's the way to go...the bigger issue to me is the fact that we ran a 4-4 against Navy the last time we played them and basically ground them to a halt, but thought we could get away with a 3-3 this year and almost got nipped for it. I don't care if we're 3-3 stack, 4-3, 4-2-5, etc...my biggest issue is that we ran base so damn much and just relied on the talent gap that there was almost nothing new to scheme against for most teams in the later half of the year. We need to be more multiple now in order to keep teams off balance, seeing as how our talent gap on defense vs. most of our opponents' offenses is no longer anywhere near as large.

I think it's more of an implementation issue than an alignment. Everyone's base defense is some sort of nickel yet even when we were getting plowed in the run game vs Tulsa and Bama we didn't bring safety's up into the box. How the front 6 breaks down doesn't really matter to me; if you're not willing to bring 7 and 8 into the box occasionally. You could go 5-1-5 and it doesn't really matter if the back 5 are all staying back. I listened to Joel Klatt on Ryen Rusillo's podcast and he was very critical of Fickell being willing to sit back and die a slow death without making them testing the corners.

i listened to that pod as well and was nodding my head in agreement. Some are phrasing it as playing not to lose. Honestly, i would phrase it as playing not to get blown out. i have my qualms with that but whatever my qualms, we closed the season as the #4 team in both the AP and the Coaches poll. i don't know if that happens if we take chances and, likely, get our doors blown off for the non-zero chance of winning. Coach Fickell is building something. While i wish we emptied the chamber, results be damned, i can't argue with #4 in the nation.

(01-14-2022 12:29 PM)RealDeal Wrote:  

(01-14-2022 09:50 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  I think there is an interesting wrinkle there with Prater...it stands to reason that they'd run him more due to the inconsistency with passing, but his frame is SO slight, that they'd have to worry about injury while doing it.

I think frame is overrated. Some QBs are good at avoiding the big hits. Lamar Jackson isn't huge and hasn't been injured much. He got hurt this year on a passing play; not a designed run. I'm not saying that we run QB power 10 times a game but I think we can incorporate more QB run game without endangering the QB.

Heck we ran Des a lot more when he was smaller than when he developed a frame that you would think could handle more.

(01-15-2022 09:59 AM)BcatMatt13 Wrote:  

(01-14-2022 12:29 PM)RealDeal Wrote:  

(01-14-2022 09:50 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  I think there is an interesting wrinkle there with Prater...it stands to reason that they'd run him more due to the inconsistency with passing, but his frame is SO slight, that they'd have to worry about injury while doing it.

I think frame is overrated. Some QBs are good at avoiding the big hits. Lamar Jackson isn't huge and hasn't been injured much. He got hurt this year on a passing play; not a designed run. I'm not saying that we run QB power 10 times a game but I think we can incorporate more QB run game without endangering the QB.

Heck we ran Des a lot more when he was smaller than when he developed a frame that you would think could handle more.

If you’re going to have a QB that runs a lot they need to have that natural knack for knowing how to avoid getting hit. Des has that. Lamar has that. Michael Vick, Russell Wilson have that. Long list of guys like RGIII that didn’t have that and their careers don’t last very long.

Not saying Prater needs to be on the level of Michael Vick or Russell Wilson lol but I’m interested in seeing that aspect of Prater’s game.

(01-15-2022 10:00 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(01-15-2022 09:59 AM)BcatMatt13 Wrote:  

(01-14-2022 12:29 PM)RealDeal Wrote:  

(01-14-2022 09:50 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  I think there is an interesting wrinkle there with Prater...it stands to reason that they'd run him more due to the inconsistency with passing, but his frame is SO slight, that they'd have to worry about injury while doing it.

I think frame is overrated. Some QBs are good at avoiding the big hits. Lamar Jackson isn't huge and hasn't been injured much. He got hurt this year on a passing play; not a designed run. I'm not saying that we run QB power 10 times a game but I think we can incorporate more QB run game without endangering the QB.

Heck we ran Des a lot more when he was smaller than when he developed a frame that you would think could handle more.

If you’re going to have a QB that runs a lot they need to have that natural knack for knowing how to avoid getting hit. Des has that. Lamar has that. Michael Vick, Russell Wilson have that. Long list of guys like RGIII that didn’t have that and their careers don’t last very long.

Not saying Prater needs to be on the level of Michael Vick or Russell Wilson lol but I’m interested in seeing that aspect of Prater’s game.

Considering the fact that his first run from scrimmage resulted in a flying somersault, I hope he figures that out in the off season haha

(01-15-2022 10:33 AM)OKIcat Wrote:  

(01-15-2022 10:00 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(01-15-2022 09:59 AM)BcatMatt13 Wrote:  

(01-14-2022 12:29 PM)RealDeal Wrote:  

(01-14-2022 09:50 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  I think there is an interesting wrinkle there with Prater...it stands to reason that they'd run him more due to the inconsistency with passing, but his frame is SO slight, that they'd have to worry about injury while doing it.

I think frame is overrated. Some QBs are good at avoiding the big hits. Lamar Jackson isn't huge and hasn't been injured much. He got hurt this year on a passing play; not a designed run. I'm not saying that we run QB power 10 times a game but I think we can incorporate more QB run game without endangering the QB.

Heck we ran Des a lot more when he was smaller than when he developed a frame that you would think could handle more.

If you’re going to have a QB that runs a lot they need to have that natural knack for knowing how to avoid getting hit. Des has that. Lamar has that. Michael Vick, Russell Wilson have that. Long list of guys like RGIII that didn’t have that and their careers don’t last very long.

Not saying Prater needs to be on the level of Michael Vick or Russell Wilson lol but I’m interested in seeing that aspect of Prater’s game.

Considering the fact that his first run from scrimmage resulted in a flying somersault, I hope he figures that out in the off season haha

Bolded, LOL, I bet the coaches hope he figures that out too! It's a good point here about how Des avoided taking the hits and still gained considerable yardage and stayed healthy. That's my biggest concern for Prater who appears tall, thin, and athletic. Will he hold up to rushing 10-20 snaps per game? We won't know unti we see the '22 team.

(01-15-2022 10:52 AM)doss2 Wrote:  

(01-15-2022 10:33 AM)OKIcat Wrote:  

(01-15-2022 10:00 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(01-15-2022 09:59 AM)BcatMatt13 Wrote:  

(01-14-2022 12:29 PM)RealDeal Wrote:  I think frame is overrated. Some QBs are good at avoiding the big hits. Lamar Jackson isn't huge and hasn't been injured much. He got hurt this year on a passing play; not a designed run. I'm not saying that we run QB power 10 times a game but I think we can incorporate more QB run game without endangering the QB.

Heck we ran Des a lot more when he was smaller than when he developed a frame that you would think could handle more.

If you’re going to have a QB that runs a lot they need to have that natural knack for knowing how to avoid getting hit. Des has that. Lamar has that. Michael Vick, Russell Wilson have that. Long list of guys like RGIII that didn’t have that and their careers don’t last very long.

Not saying Prater needs to be on the level of Michael Vick or Russell Wilson lol but I’m interested in seeing that aspect of Prater’s game.

Considering the fact that his first run from scrimmage resulted in a flying somersault, I hope he figures that out in the off season haha

Bolded, LOL, I bet the coaches hope he figures that out too! It's a good point here about how Des avoided taking the hits and still gained considerable yardage and stayed healthy. That's my biggest concern for Prater who appears tall, thin, and athletic. Will he hold up to rushing 10-20 snaps per game? We won't know unti we see the '22 team.

Fortunately, Bryant has 2 more years of eligibility.

Do we need 6?
PLAYER 2021 Class
Jacob Hoying Fr
Brady Lichtenberg Fr
Jack Perry Jr
Evan Prater Soph
Ben Bryant Transfer
Luther Richesson Incoming

(01-15-2022 09:59 AM)BcatMatt13 Wrote:  

(01-14-2022 12:29 PM)RealDeal Wrote:  

(01-14-2022 09:50 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  I think there is an interesting wrinkle there with Prater...it stands to reason that they'd run him more due to the inconsistency with passing, but his frame is SO slight, that they'd have to worry about injury while doing it.

I think frame is overrated. Some QBs are good at avoiding the big hits. Lamar Jackson isn't huge and hasn't been injured much. He got hurt this year on a passing play; not a designed run. I'm not saying that we run QB power 10 times a game but I think we can incorporate more QB run game without endangering the QB.

Heck we ran Des a lot more when he was smaller than when he developed a frame that you would think could handle more.

If you’re going to have a QB that runs a lot they need to have that natural knack for knowing how to avoid getting hit. Des has that. Lamar has that. Michael Vick, Russell Wilson have that. Long list of guys like RGIII that didn’t have that and their careers don’t last very long.

Not saying Prater needs to be on the level of Michael Vick or Russell Wilson lol but I’m interested in seeing that aspect of Prater’s game.

(01-15-2022 01:27 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  

(01-15-2022 09:59 AM)BcatMatt13 Wrote:  

(01-14-2022 12:29 PM)RealDeal Wrote:  

(01-14-2022 09:50 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  I think there is an interesting wrinkle there with Prater...it stands to reason that they'd run him more due to the inconsistency with passing, but his frame is SO slight, that they'd have to worry about injury while doing it.

I think frame is overrated. Some QBs are good at avoiding the big hits. Lamar Jackson isn't huge and hasn't been injured much. He got hurt this year on a passing play; not a designed run. I'm not saying that we run QB power 10 times a game but I think we can incorporate more QB run game without endangering the QB.

Heck we ran Des a lot more when he was smaller than when he developed a frame that you would think could handle more.

If you’re going to have a QB that runs a lot they need to have that natural knack for knowing how to avoid getting hit. Des has that. Lamar has that. Michael Vick, Russell Wilson have that. Long list of guys like RGIII that didn’t have that and their careers don’t last very long.

Not saying Prater needs to be on the level of Michael Vick or Russell Wilson lol but I’m interested in seeing that aspect of Prater’s game.

Gunner Keil definitely did not have that.

(01-11-2022 04:18 PM)natibeast2.0 Wrote:  Figured provide one spot for edits as further transfers happen, we get into spring/summer practice, injuries, etc. What's your thoughts? Feel free to edit. I did quick so likely missing some.

Offense
QB:
1ab) Evan Prater/Ben Bryant
2ab) Brady Lichtenberg/Luther Richesson

RB:
1abc) Ethan Wright/Charles McClelland/Ryan Montgomery
2ab) Myles Montgomery/Stephan Byrd

WR:
1a) Nick Mardner
2ab) Drew Donley/Blue Smith

WR 2:
1ab) Tyler Scott/Jadon Thompson
2a) Chris Scott

Slot WR:
1a) Tre Tucker
2a) Will Pauling

TE:
1ab) Josh Whyle/Leonard Taylor
2ab) Payton Singletary/Chamon Metayer

RT:
1a) Dylan O'Quinn
2a) Cam Jones

RG:
1a) Lorenz Metz
2ab) Mao Glynn/Landon Fickell

C:
1a) Jake Renfro
2a) Gavin Gerhardt

LG:
1a) Jeremy Cooper
2a) Colin Woodside

LT:
1a) James Tunstall
2a) John Williams


Defense
CB:
1a) Arquon Bush
2a) Todd Bumphis

CB:
1a) Jaquan Sheppard
2ab) Sammy Anderson/JQ Hardaway

S:
1a) Bryon Threats
2ab) Jacob Dingle/Isiah Cox

S:
1a) Javon Hicks
2ab) Armorion Smith/Will Adams

N:
1ab) Justin Harris/Taj Ward

WILL:
1a) Jaheim Thomas
2a) Cam Junior

MIKE:
1ab) Ivan Pace/Wilson Huber
2a) Devin Hightower

SAM:
1ab) Deshawn Pace/Ty Van Fossen

DE:
1ab) Iziah Ruffin/Robert Jackson
2a) ?

DT:
1a/b) Jabari Taylor/Eric Phillips
2ab) Justin Wodtly/Dontay Corleone

DE:
1ab) Malik Vann/Jowon Briggs
2a) ?


Special Teams:
K:
1a) Ryan Coe

P:
1a) Mason Fletcher

KR:
1a) Tre Tucker

PR:
1a) Ryan Montgomery

(01-15-2022 01:17 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  

(01-15-2022 10:52 AM)doss2 Wrote:  

(01-15-2022 10:33 AM)OKIcat Wrote:  

(01-15-2022 10:00 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(01-15-2022 09:59 AM)BcatMatt13 Wrote:  If you’re going to have a QB that runs a lot they need to have that natural knack for knowing how to avoid getting hit. Des has that. Lamar has that. Michael Vick, Russell Wilson have that. Long list of guys like RGIII that didn’t have that and their careers don’t last very long.

Not saying Prater needs to be on the level of Michael Vick or Russell Wilson lol but I’m interested in seeing that aspect of Prater’s game.

Considering the fact that his first run from scrimmage resulted in a flying somersault, I hope he figures that out in the off season haha

Bolded, LOL, I bet the coaches hope he figures that out too! It's a good point here about how Des avoided taking the hits and still gained considerable yardage and stayed healthy. That's my biggest concern for Prater who appears tall, thin, and athletic. Will he hold up to rushing 10-20 snaps per game? We won't know unti we see the '22 team.

Fortunately, Bryant has 2 more years of eligibility.

Do we need 6?
PLAYER 2021 Class
Jacob Hoying Fr
Brady Lichtenberg Fr
Jack Perry Jr
Evan Prater Soph
Ben Bryant Transfer
Luther Richesson Incoming

I'm not one for running off guys simply because the position has several guys and only one can play. You never know when a guy is really going to come into his own.

There were no parades when Ridder showed up on campus but look what he turned into.

I expect Prater to be the guy next year, but if one of these other guys steps up... then put him in.

I don't see Bryant as being anything more than an insurance policy. I don't see him being the man unless he grows a few inches and picks up a step. If he proves me wrong... great!