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Portal - bullet - 12-16-2021 03:38 PM
https://twitter.com/Brett_McMurphy
"Brett McMurphy
@Brett_McMurphy
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Dec 13
At least 18 QBs have entered NCAA Transfer Portal. A few listed below already have found new homes. Of these 18, one-fifth (13) of the 65 Power 5 schools have QBs in the portal...."
Becoming the norm for QBs. Start or leave. Probably going to lower QB play with people continually learning new systems. Texas hasn't lost any QBs yet, but they've had 13 players leave since the beginning of the season.
RE: Portal - Wedge - 12-16-2021 06:00 PM
(12-16-2021 03:38 PM)bullet Wrote: Becoming the norm for QBs. Start or leave. Probably going to lower QB play with people continually learning new systems.
I don’t think so. The QBs who are transferring weren’t going to start for the team they are leaving, and in almost every case they will move to a team that doesn’t already have a quality starter on the roster.
Possible outcomes:
— A team that has mediocre QBs already on the roster is bringing in another mediocre QB and a suboptimal situation remains suboptimal (e.g. 2021 Oregon).
— The transferring-in QB is an upgrade.
— The coaching staff gives the starting QB job to a transferring-in QB when they should have given it to a QB who was already there (2019 Washington, when Petersen gave the starting job to transfer Jacob Eason and should have given it to Jake Haener, who later transferred out and played very well at Fresno State).
The last scenario is a possibility, though the first two (the ones where there really isn’t a good option at QB other than the QB who transfers in) are much more likely.
RE: Portal - PicksUp - 12-16-2021 06:15 PM
How many QBs does each school have on scholarship? 3-4? Maybe more.
We’re looking at maybe 5-10% of all QBs in the P5.
RE: Portal - bullet - 12-17-2021 06:46 PM
Texas starting QB Casey Thompson hit the portal today.
Texas has 3 QBs returning and 2 new ones coming in.
RE: Portal - Statefan - 12-17-2021 06:50 PM
(12-16-2021 03:38 PM)bullet Wrote: https://twitter.com/Brett_McMurphy
"Brett McMurphy
@Brett_McMurphy
·
Dec 13
At least 18 QBs have entered NCAA Transfer Portal. A few listed below already have found new homes. Of these 18, one-fifth (13) of the 65 Power 5 schools have QBs in the portal...."
Becoming the norm for QBs. Start or leave. Probably going to lower QB play with people continually learning new systems. Texas hasn't lost any QBs yet, but they've had 13 players leave since the beginning of the season.
It can't degrade as fast as college basketball.
RE: Portal - TerryD - 12-18-2021 11:16 AM
ND is in a bit of a jam on the transfer portal front because of its own internal policies.
Grad transfers are no problem but undergrad transfers are (at least currently).
--ND wants its football players to be on a path to graduate in 3 1/2 years.
--Notre Dame doesn’t allow undergraduate transfers after their academic sophomore year.
--Any undergrad transfer will need to be admitted no later than March 15.
--There are some other self imposed academic restrictions and course requirements as well.
https://admissions.nd.edu/apply/resources-for/transfer-applicants/
The only recent undergrad transfer I can recall was safety Alohi Gilman, who transferred from the Naval Academy.
The question is whether ND will ease these restrictions in the new recruiting/transfer world.
RE: Portal - bullet - 12-18-2021 11:40 AM
(12-18-2021 11:16 AM)TerryD Wrote: ND is in a bit of a jam on the transfer portal front because of its own internal policies.Its a very different world. Coaches may have different ideas. Despite Texas having lost a dozen players, Sarkasian seems to be recruiting freshman. He did bring in Ewers, the former Ohio St.er who skipped his senior year to sit on the bench at Ohio St. But so far that is the only one and he seems to be filling the roster with HS recruits.
Grad transfers are no problem but undergrad transfers are (at least currently).
--ND wants its football players to be on a path to graduate in 3 1/2 years.
--Notre Dame doesn’t allow undergraduate transfers after their academic sophomore year.
--Any undergrad transfer will need to be admitted no later than March 15.
--There are some other self imposed academic restrictions and course requirements as well.
https://admissions.nd.edu/apply/resources-for/transfer-applicants/
The only recent undergrad transfer I can recall was safety Alohi Gilman, who transferred from the Naval Academy.
The question is whether ND will ease these restrictions in the new recruiting/transfer world.
RE: Portal - Hokie Mark - 12-18-2021 12:50 PM
(12-17-2021 06:50 PM)Statefan Wrote:(12-16-2021 03:38 PM)bullet Wrote: https://twitter.com/Brett_McMurphy
"Brett McMurphy
@Brett_McMurphy
·
Dec 13
At least 18 QBs have entered NCAA Transfer Portal. A few listed below already have found new homes. Of these 18, one-fifth (13) of the 65 Power 5 schools have QBs in the portal...."
Becoming the norm for QBs. Start or leave. Probably going to lower QB play with people continually learning new systems. Texas hasn't lost any QBs yet, but they've had 13 players leave since the beginning of the season.
It can't degrade as fast as college basketball.
Bringing in multiple QBs at the same time is not going to work going forward. I think roster management is critical, and teams should bring in one QB per cycle - alternating starter and backup every other year. That way you always have a Jr or Sr starter and a Fr or So on the bench - and if the older player skips his Sr year (typical these days), then you have a Soph starting.
RE: Portal - Pervis_Griffith - 12-18-2021 01:13 PM
(12-18-2021 11:40 AM)bullet Wrote:(12-18-2021 11:16 AM)TerryD Wrote: --Notre Dame doesn’t allow undergraduate transfers after their academic sophomore year.Its a very different world. Coaches may have different ideas. Despite Texas having lost a dozen players, Sarkasian seems to be recruiting freshman. He did bring in Ewers, the former Ohio St.er who skipped his senior year to sit on the bench at Ohio St. But so far that is the only one and he seems to be filling the roster with HS recruits.
Rudy taught us all that.
One of the best scenes in that movie is Rudy making it in, on his final try. (No idea if this is how things went down at all ... but it was clear, Notre Dame doesn't accept transfers after their sophomore year. )
RE: Portal - Stugray2 - 12-18-2021 01:22 PM
(12-16-2021 06:00 PM)Wedge Wrote:(12-16-2021 03:38 PM)bullet Wrote: Becoming the norm for QBs. Start or leave. Probably going to lower QB play with people continually learning new systems.
I don’t think so. The QBs who are transferring weren’t going to start for the team they are leaving, and in almost every case they will move to a team that doesn’t already have a quality starter on the roster.
Possible outcomes:
— A team that has mediocre QBs already on the roster is bringing in another mediocre QB and a suboptimal situation remains suboptimal (e.g. 2021 Oregon).
— The transferring-in QB is an upgrade.
— The coaching staff gives the starting QB job to a transferring-in QB when they should have given it to a QB who was already there (2019 Washington, when Petersen gave the starting job to transfer Jacob Eason and should have given it to Jake Haener, who later transferred out and played very well at Fresno State).
The last scenario is a possibility, though the first two (the ones where there really isn’t a good option at QB other than the QB who transfers in) are much more likely.
Example of an upgrade, Joe Burrow at LSU. Ohio State had too many quality QBs for awhile. That happens too, where there is a logjam at a position.
Also to be considered, some players develop and that simply is not recognized by their coaching staff and by leaving they can showcase that development.
IMHO it's a good thing, players get an opportunity to work out somewhere else than the choice they made while still in High School.
RE: Portal - bullet - 12-18-2021 03:55 PM
(12-18-2021 01:22 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:(12-16-2021 06:00 PM)Wedge Wrote:(12-16-2021 03:38 PM)bullet Wrote: Becoming the norm for QBs. Start or leave. Probably going to lower QB play with people continually learning new systems.
I don’t think so. The QBs who are transferring weren’t going to start for the team they are leaving, and in almost every case they will move to a team that doesn’t already have a quality starter on the roster.
Possible outcomes:
— A team that has mediocre QBs already on the roster is bringing in another mediocre QB and a suboptimal situation remains suboptimal (e.g. 2021 Oregon).
— The transferring-in QB is an upgrade.
— The coaching staff gives the starting QB job to a transferring-in QB when they should have given it to a QB who was already there (2019 Washington, when Petersen gave the starting job to transfer Jacob Eason and should have given it to Jake Haener, who later transferred out and played very well at Fresno State).
The last scenario is a possibility, though the first two (the ones where there really isn’t a good option at QB other than the QB who transfers in) are much more likely.
Example of an upgrade, Joe Burrow at LSU. Ohio State had too many quality QBs for awhile. That happens too, where there is a logjam at a position.
Also to be considered, some players develop and that simply is not recognized by their coaching staff and by leaving they can showcase that development.
IMHO it's a good thing, players get an opportunity to work out somewhere else than the choice they made while still in High School.
Its a good thing for the players and its fair to treat them like other students. I just don't know that its good for the caliber of play.
RE: Portal - SoCalBobcat78 - 12-18-2021 05:43 PM
(12-16-2021 06:00 PM)Wedge Wrote:(12-16-2021 03:38 PM)bullet Wrote: Becoming the norm for QBs. Start or leave. Probably going to lower QB play with people continually learning new systems.
I don’t think so. The QBs who are transferring weren’t going to start for the team they are leaving, and in almost every case they will move to a team that doesn’t already have a quality starter on the roster.
Possible outcomes:
— A team that has mediocre QBs already on the roster is bringing in another mediocre QB and a suboptimal situation remains suboptimal (e.g. 2021 Oregon).
— The transferring-in QB is an upgrade.
— The coaching staff gives the starting QB job to a transferring-in QB when they should have given it to a QB who was already there (2019 Washington, when Petersen gave the starting job to transfer Jacob Eason and should have given it to Jake Haener, who later transferred out and played very well at Fresno State).
The last scenario is a possibility, though the first two (the ones where there really isn’t a good option at QB other than the QB who transfers in) are much more likely.
The last scenario could also apply at Utah with Cam Rising and Baylor transfer Charile Brewer. I think kids transfer looking for playing time or for a system that will help get them to the NFL, or both.
There is at least a dozen quarterabcks transferring in-and-out of the Pac-12 this month. Kedon Slovis is leaving USC, Dillion Gabriel is transferring into UCLA from UCF. UCLA has lost two of the six quarterbacks on their roster to the transfer portal. DTR is likely leaving for the NFL but they have Gabriel coming in and another four star recruit on the way. Jack Plummer is transferring in from Purdue to Cal, presumably to replace Garbers, who for some reason decided to leave for the NFL. Michael Penix Jr. is transferring in from Indiana to Washington. The transfer portal has become a useful recruiting tool for Pac-12 schools.
RE: Portal - EKUSteve - 12-19-2021 04:37 PM
Zach Calzada to Pitt.
RE: Portal - quo vadis - 12-19-2021 05:02 PM
Maybe nobody's QB transfer portal situation has been crazier than LSU's.
On November 1st, Myles Brennan, who was battling Max Johnson for the starting job until he broke his arm in August, entered the portal as it seemed that Johnson had solidified the starting position in his absence.
Then, Ed Orgeron leaves, Brian Kelly moves in, and Max Johnson decides to enter the portal.
Then, a couple days ago, Brennan has a talk with Kelly, changes his mind, and says he will stay at LSU.
RE: Portal - quo vadis - 12-19-2021 05:07 PM
(12-16-2021 06:00 PM)Wedge Wrote:(12-16-2021 03:38 PM)bullet Wrote: Becoming the norm for QBs. Start or leave. Probably going to lower QB play with people continually learning new systems.
I don’t think so. The QBs who are transferring weren’t going to start for the team they are leaving, and in almost every case they will move to a team that doesn’t already have a quality starter on the roster.
I think we have to distinguish between the quality of starter and backup QB play. I agree with you that starting QB play is unlikely to decline, because the portal will free up talented QBs who are stuck on the bench at Ohio State or Alabama to start at other places where they are the best QB. Starting QB play should actually go up in quality. But on the other hand, as someone wrote the other day, the transfer portal is killing the backup QB position. That's the flipside. Now, if a Caleb Williams is injured, there won't be a Spencer Rattler waiting on the bench, because he will have already left. Every kid comes to a campus expecting to start, or at least anyone who was a 3-star or above recruit. If they don't win the starting job, they are entering the portal, and they aren't going to a place that has an established starter, because that defeats the whole point, which for them is tot start.
Sure, every once in a while someone will leave for other reasons. I'm scratching my head as to why Max Johnson left LSU when Brian Kelly took over, as he started all season and seemed to be the putative starter going in to next year.
But the main thing is, what happened at places like Oklahoma is going to be the norm. Recruit two four-star QBs, and the guy who doesn't start will be gone by next Tuesday.
RE: Portal - PlayBall! - 12-19-2021 05:09 PM
Q: Does "Entering the transfer portal" mean no going back (i.e., potentially staying)?
RE: Portal - EKUSteve - 12-19-2021 06:03 PM
(12-19-2021 05:09 PM)PlayBall! Wrote: Q: Does "Entering the transfer portal" mean no going back (i.e., potentially staying)?
You can exit the portal and stay with your original team.
RE: Portal - johnintx - 12-19-2021 06:03 PM
(12-19-2021 05:09 PM)PlayBall! Wrote: Q: Does "Entering the transfer portal" mean no going back (i.e., potentially staying)?
No. It opens the player up for re-recruitment, but the player has the option to return.
For example, Oklahoma WR Theo Wease recently hit the portal, but yesterday announced that he was coming back to OU.
RE: Portal - Wedge - 12-19-2021 06:31 PM
(12-19-2021 06:03 PM)johnintx Wrote:(12-19-2021 05:09 PM)PlayBall! Wrote: Q: Does "Entering the transfer portal" mean no going back (i.e., potentially staying)?
No. It opens the player up for re-recruitment, but the player has the option to return.
For example, Oklahoma WR Theo Wease recently hit the portal, but yesterday announced that he was coming back to OU.
The player has the option of returning, but the coaches get to choose whether or not to let a player keep their scholarship if the player went into the transfer portal and then decided to stay.
RE: Portal - quo vadis - 12-19-2021 06:44 PM
(12-19-2021 06:03 PM)EKUSteve Wrote:(12-19-2021 05:09 PM)PlayBall! Wrote: Q: Does "Entering the transfer portal" mean no going back (i.e., potentially staying)?
You can exit the portal and stay with your original team.
Yes, e.g. LSU QB Myles Brennan entered the portal on November 1st, but announced he was remaining at LSU the other day.
Two other things about the portal:
1) Players in the portal but who have not signed with another team can still play for their current team, including in bowl games.
2) If a player enters the portal, the current team is not required to take him back if he wants to come back. E.g., LSU did not have to let Myles Brennan stay and would not have had to honor his scholarship if they didn't want to.