(12-04-2021 07:10 PM)BinghamptonNed Wrote:  You can't improve until you figure out what is causing the problem-- Now that Penny has figured out what the problem is I'm sure this is going to correct itself pretty quick.

As soon as the upperclassmen start mentoring Bates this team will take off!

I'm glad Penny figured this out because I was thinking the problem was that Penny was playing his favorites who are not good enough to play at this level and that Penny subsitutes too often and never lets the players get in a rhythm. I had the problem completely mis-diagnosed.

(12-04-2021 07:10 PM)BinghamptonNed Wrote:  You can't improve until you figure out what is causing the problem-- Now that Penny has figured out what the problem is I'm sure this is going to correct itself pretty quick.

As soon as the upperclassmen start mentoring Bates this team will take off!

I'm glad Penny figured this out because I was thinking the problem was that Penny was playing his favorites who are not good enough to play at this level and that Penny subsitutes too often and never lets the players get in a rhythm. I had the problem completely mis-diagnosed.

(12-04-2021 07:10 PM)BinghamptonNed Wrote:  You can't improve until you figure out what is causing the problem-- Now that Penny has figured out what the problem is I'm sure this is going to correct itself pretty quick.

As soon as the upperclassmen start mentoring Bates this team will take off!

I'm glad Penny figured this out because I was thinking the problem was that Penny was playing his favorites who are not good enough to play at this level and that Penny subsitutes too often and never lets the players get in a rhythm. I had the problem completely mis-diagnosed.

(12-05-2021 12:26 PM)MemphisTigerPawr Wrote:  

(12-04-2021 07:10 PM)BinghamptonNed Wrote:  You can't improve until you figure out what is causing the problem-- Now that Penny has figured out what the problem is I'm sure this is going to correct itself pretty quick.

As soon as the upperclassmen start mentoring Bates this team will take off!

I'm glad Penny figured this out because I was thinking the problem was that Penny was playing his favorites who are not good enough to play at this level and that Penny subsitutes too often and never lets the players get in a rhythm. I had the problem completely mis-diagnosed.

I had kind of figured it like you, glad Penny has at all figured out.

Play Alo, Jayden, Tyler, and Malcolm each 25 mpg and we win out! Brilliant!

(12-05-2021 03:02 PM)TiminMem23 Wrote:  The problems:

Poor PG play - Lomax is not a high D1-caliber PG. Not going to debate that. Timberlake hasn't looked good yet. Bates is 17 and clearly not a PG.
Lack of scorers - As I see it, only Bates, Harris, Nolley and Williams are scorers. None of them are elite.
Fundamentals - The turnovers speak for themselves. Poor FT shooting, too.

Penny needs more shooters and scorers. He also needs to the scheme if that is what is leading to all the turnovers on offense. You can't turn the ball over 20 plus times a game and be successful.

This team is structurally flawed and has all kinds of chemistry issues. I don't see it being resolved this year.

NIT bound.

(12-05-2021 03:02 PM)TiminMem23 Wrote:  The problems:

Poor PG play - Lomax is not a high D1-caliber PG. Not going to debate that. Timberlake hasn't looked good yet. Bates is 17 and clearly not a PG.
Lack of scorers - As I see it, only Bates, Harris, Nolley and Williams are scorers. None of them are elite.
Fundamentals - The turnovers speak for themselves. Poor FT shooting, too.

Penny needs more shooters and scorers. He also needs to the scheme if that is what is leading to all the turnovers on offense. You can't turn the ball over 20 plus times a game and be successful.

This team is structurally flawed and has all kinds of chemistry issues. I don't see it being resolved this year.

NIT bound.

(12-05-2021 03:20 PM)BinghamptonNed Wrote:  

(12-05-2021 03:02 PM)TiminMem23 Wrote:  The problems:

Poor PG play - Lomax is not a high D1-caliber PG. Not going to debate that. Timberlake hasn't looked good yet. Bates is 17 and clearly not a PG.
Lack of scorers - As I see it, only Bates, Harris, Nolley and Williams are scorers. None of them are elite.
Fundamentals - The turnovers speak for themselves. Poor FT shooting, too.

Penny needs more shooters and scorers. He also needs to the scheme if that is what is leading to all the turnovers on offense. You can't turn the ball over 20 plus times a game and be successful.

This team is structurally flawed and has all kinds of chemistry issues. I don't see it being resolved this year.

NIT bound.

That all sounds logical , but Penny has identified the problem and it is not that. Let’s all hope he is correct!

(12-04-2021 10:55 PM)cscottl1981 Wrote:  It does seem like we’re trying to lean more on our experienced players. However, since the start of the season we’ve leaned on Williams a decent amount and he hasn’t been great. We leaned on Nolley in the UGA game and he shot less than 33% on 16 shot attempts. I still think it’s the right move b/c the freshmen aren’t ready to carry a team.

However, I don’t know how you can boil it down to one thing as the issues seem to change from game to game. We’ve had several games where our defense was good, but our turnovers were out of control. Against UGA we cleaned up the TOs a good bit, but didn’t defend well. Against OM we bricked a bunch of FTs.

(12-05-2021 07:13 PM)tigergeorge55 Wrote:  

(12-04-2021 10:55 PM)cscottl1981 Wrote:  It does seem like we’re trying to lean more on our experienced players. However, since the start of the season we’ve leaned on Williams a decent amount and he hasn’t been great. We leaned on Nolley in the UGA game and he shot less than 33% on 16 shot attempts. I still think it’s the right move b/c the freshmen aren’t ready to carry a team.

However, I don’t know how you can boil it down to one thing as the issues seem to change from game to game. We’ve had several games where our defense was good, but our turnovers were out of control. Against UGA we cleaned up the TOs a good bit, but didn’t defend well. Against OM we bricked a bunch of FTs.

wow this guy actually watched the games. I agree with you 100%

(12-05-2021 10:37 PM)BinghamptonNed Wrote:  

(12-05-2021 07:13 PM)tigergeorge55 Wrote:  

(12-04-2021 10:55 PM)cscottl1981 Wrote:  It does seem like we’re trying to lean more on our experienced players. However, since the start of the season we’ve leaned on Williams a decent amount and he hasn’t been great. We leaned on Nolley in the UGA game and he shot less than 33% on 16 shot attempts. I still think it’s the right move b/c the freshmen aren’t ready to carry a team.

However, I don’t know how you can boil it down to one thing as the issues seem to change from game to game. We’ve had several games where our defense was good, but our turnovers were out of control. Against UGA we cleaned up the TOs a good bit, but didn’t defend well. Against OM we bricked a bunch of FTs.

wow this guy actually watched the games. I agree with you 100%

Penny says the problem is not the crazy subsitutions ,it is not that he is playing his favorites at the expense of winning , it is not the defense or offense -- it is a few bad apples, once they leave we will be a great team ... I hope he is right

(12-05-2021 11:16 PM)450bench Wrote:  When everyone can see what’s wrong with the team but the coach can’t, you’ve got a real problem.

We’ve got a real problem.

(12-05-2021 03:02 PM)TiminMem23 Wrote:  The problems:

Poor PG play - Lomax is not a high D1-caliber PG. Not going to debate that. Timberlake hasn't looked good yet. Bates is 17 and clearly not a PG.
Lack of scorers - As I see it, only Bates, Harris, Nolley and Williams are scorers. None of them are elite.
Fundamentals - The turnovers speak for themselves. Poor FT shooting, too.

Penny needs more shooters and scorers. He also needs to the scheme if that is what is leading to all the turnovers on offense. You can't turn the ball over 20 plus times a game and be successful.

This team is structurally flawed and has all kinds of chemistry issues. I don't see it being resolved this year.

NIT bound.

(12-05-2021 11:16 PM)450bench Wrote:  When everyone can see what’s wrong with the team but the coach can’t, you’ve got a real problem.

We’ve got a real problem.

(12-06-2021 07:47 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(12-05-2021 03:02 PM)TiminMem23 Wrote:  The problems:

Poor PG play - Lomax is not a high D1-caliber PG. Not going to debate that. Timberlake hasn't looked good yet. Bates is 17 and clearly not a PG.
Lack of scorers - As I see it, only Bates, Harris, Nolley and Williams are scorers. None of them are elite.
Fundamentals - The turnovers speak for themselves. Poor FT shooting, too.

Penny needs more shooters and scorers. He also needs to the scheme if that is what is leading to all the turnovers on offense. You can't turn the ball over 20 plus times a game and be successful.

This team is structurally flawed and has all kinds of chemistry issues. I don't see it being resolved this year.

NIT bound.

If we make it that far.

(12-05-2021 10:37 PM)BinghamptonNed Wrote:  

(12-05-2021 07:13 PM)tigergeorge55 Wrote:  

(12-04-2021 10:55 PM)cscottl1981 Wrote:  It does seem like we’re trying to lean more on our experienced players. However, since the start of the season we’ve leaned on Williams a decent amount and he hasn’t been great. We leaned on Nolley in the UGA game and he shot less than 33% on 16 shot attempts. I still think it’s the right move b/c the freshmen aren’t ready to carry a team.

However, I don’t know how you can boil it down to one thing as the issues seem to change from game to game. We’ve had several games where our defense was good, but our turnovers were out of control. Against UGA we cleaned up the TOs a good bit, but didn’t defend well. Against OM we bricked a bunch of FTs.

wow this guy actually watched the games. I agree with you 100%

Penny says the problem is not the crazy subsitutions ,it is not that he is playing his favorites at the expense of winning , it is not the defense or offense -- it is a few bad apples, once they leave we will be a great team ... I hope he is right