(11-25-2021 08:03 PM)B_Hawk06 Wrote:  How has anyone attacked players?


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(11-25-2021 08:16 PM)SEA33HAWK Wrote:  

(11-25-2021 08:03 PM)B_Hawk06 Wrote:  How has anyone attacked players?


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Just one example.
"The problem with Fornes is he wants to play hero ball. It’s especially problematic when he can’t hit the broad side of a barn.

He needs to see the bench. A lot."

That isn't very encouraging. Guess you could always just walk up to him and tell him to his face that he sucks.

(11-25-2021 08:22 PM)B_Hawk06 Wrote:  

(11-25-2021 08:16 PM)SEA33HAWK Wrote:  

(11-25-2021 08:03 PM)B_Hawk06 Wrote:  How has anyone attacked players?


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Just one example.
"The problem with Fornes is he wants to play hero ball. It’s especially problematic when he can’t hit the broad side of a barn.

He needs to see the bench. A lot."

That isn't very encouraging. Guess you could always just walk up to him and tell him to his face that he sucks.

I suppose I could.

Maybe you’re right.

Fornes, take more shots. Take a lot more shots. Shoot that ball every time you touch it. As a matter of fact, don’t ever pass it. Shoot from half court too.

I’m sorry 33. I didn’t realize I was the only person on the board saying he should be playing behind others on the team.

Hope Siddle plays him 40 minutes from now on.

Lol.


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(11-25-2021 08:16 PM)SEA33HAWK Wrote:  

(11-25-2021 08:03 PM)B_Hawk06 Wrote:  How has anyone attacked players?


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Just one example.
"The problem with Fornes is he wants to play hero ball. It’s especially problematic when he can’t hit the broad side of a barn.

He needs to see the bench. A lot."

That isn't very encouraging. Guess you could always just walk up to him and tell him to his face that he sucks.

(11-25-2021 08:16 PM)SEA33HAWK Wrote:  

(11-25-2021 08:03 PM)B_Hawk06 Wrote:  How has anyone attacked players?


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Just one example.
"The problem with Fornes is he wants to play hero ball. It’s especially problematic when he can’t hit the broad side of a barn.

He needs to see the bench. A lot."

That isn't very encouraging. Guess you could always just walk up to him and tell him to his face that he sucks.

(11-25-2021 08:40 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  

(11-25-2021 08:16 PM)SEA33HAWK Wrote:  

(11-25-2021 08:03 PM)B_Hawk06 Wrote:  How has anyone attacked players?


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Just one example.
"The problem with Fornes is he wants to play hero ball. It’s especially problematic when he can’t hit the broad side of a barn.

He needs to see the bench. A lot."

That isn't very encouraging. Guess you could always just walk up to him and tell him to his face that he sucks.

While i certainly understand what you are saying I’m also of the mindset that if a D1 player reads what a “couch coach” on a message is saying and he can’t take it, he’s probably not tough enough to be a good player at a good D1 school. We all want the same thing, to build a winner. But most importantly we want to see improvement, a glimmer of hope, something to latch onto. And to me that’s what I haven’t seen and that’s where I struggle. We play better when we press, yet, it doesn’t seem to be our strategy to to that early and often. Things like that are what give me pause. Wes Miller took 4 years before he turned it around , but the problem is we had 3 years of losing under CB first. Fair or not, that is what makes people give a shorter leash


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(11-25-2021 09:00 PM)SEA33HAWK Wrote:  

(11-25-2021 08:40 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  

(11-25-2021 08:16 PM)SEA33HAWK Wrote:  

(11-25-2021 08:03 PM)B_Hawk06 Wrote:  How has anyone attacked players?


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Just one example.
"The problem with Fornes is he wants to play hero ball. It’s especially problematic when he can’t hit the broad side of a barn.

He needs to see the bench. A lot."

That isn't very encouraging. Guess you could always just walk up to him and tell him to his face that he sucks.

While i certainly understand what you are saying I’m also of the mindset that if a D1 player reads what a “couch coach” on a message is saying and he can’t take it, he’s probably not tough enough to be a good player at a good D1 school. We all want the same thing, to build a winner. But most importantly we want to see improvement, a glimmer of hope, something to latch onto. And to me that’s what I haven’t seen and that’s where I struggle. We play better when we press, yet, it doesn’t seem to be our strategy to to that early and often. Things like that are what give me pause. Wes Miller took 4 years before he turned it around , but the problem is we had 3 years of losing under CB first. Fair or not, that is what makes people give a shorter leash


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Because it's so heartwarming to a player for fans to show their lack of love. I really don't think it's encouraging to players who are struggling to reach their potential. Or have you thought about recruits reading negative remarks while failing to contribute support in turning the program around. I really don't think recruits care to play for fans who throw players under the bus when things don't get better quick enough in a fan's mind. And I don't see how CB's failures should reflect on Siddle. Wes Miller would have been gone after two years with such thinking.

(11-25-2021 08:50 PM)82hawk Wrote:  

(11-25-2021 08:16 PM)SEA33HAWK Wrote:  

(11-25-2021 08:03 PM)B_Hawk06 Wrote:  How has anyone attacked players?


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Just one example.
"The problem with Fornes is he wants to play hero ball. It’s especially problematic when he can’t hit the broad side of a barn.

He needs to see the bench. A lot."

That isn't very encouraging. Guess you could always just walk up to him and tell him to his face that he sucks.

This is a discussion board, not an emotional support board. Fornes shoots too much. Period. Maybe the coach doesn't care, but as fans we have a right to have a different opinion. Maybe as the season goes Fornes will start hitting 40% of the shots he's taking, but six games in he has taken more shots than any other player on the team and he has one of the worst shooting percentages on the team at 26.6%. That's a recipe for a losing team.

I wonder how Fornes would describe his offense to date?

(11-25-2021 09:00 PM)SEA33HAWK Wrote:  

(11-25-2021 08:40 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  

(11-25-2021 08:16 PM)SEA33HAWK Wrote:  

(11-25-2021 08:03 PM)B_Hawk06 Wrote:  How has anyone attacked players?


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Just one example.
"The problem with Fornes is he wants to play hero ball. It’s especially problematic when he can’t hit the broad side of a barn.

He needs to see the bench. A lot."

That isn't very encouraging. Guess you could always just walk up to him and tell him to his face that he sucks.

Wes Miller took 4 years before he turned it around , but the problem is we had 3 years of losing under CB first. Fair or not, that is what makes people give a shorter leash


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Wes Miller would have been gone after two years with such thinking.

(11-25-2021 09:23 PM)SEA33HAWK Wrote:  

(11-25-2021 08:50 PM)82hawk Wrote:  

(11-25-2021 08:16 PM)SEA33HAWK Wrote:  

(11-25-2021 08:03 PM)B_Hawk06 Wrote:  How has anyone attacked players?


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Just one example.
"The problem with Fornes is he wants to play hero ball. It’s especially problematic when he can’t hit the broad side of a barn.

He needs to see the bench. A lot."

That isn't very encouraging. Guess you could always just walk up to him and tell him to his face that he sucks.

This is a discussion board, not an emotional support board. Fornes shoots too much. Period. Maybe the coach doesn't care, but as fans we have a right to have a different opinion. Maybe as the season goes Fornes will start hitting 40% of the shots he's taking, but six games in he has taken more shots than any other player on the team and he has one of the worst shooting percentages on the team at 26.6%. That's a recipe for a losing team.

I wonder how Fornes would describe his offense to date?

I think Fornes would be the first to admit he's not shooting well. I don't think he needs a fan board to rub it in his face.
Before the flu hit Fornes' minutes have been decreasing. And I'm sure he realizes that if his production doesn't pick up his playing time will continue to drop.
Wainwright and Brownell both had early setbacks in some seasons. They tried different lineups in nonconference in preparation for conference play. And that happened without having to blend in 10 new players. Defensively we are ahead of the game. Offense is not there yet. We have just lost the opportunity to play two games that would have been instrumental in figuring out what we have. We have a lot more games to play. And it has to be a much better improvement in the end than last year's short season. I saw improvement in the second half of the Pitt game and the Coastal game. And we won ugly at Delaware State. We would have never won that game last year. Now, as a team, shooting has to get better.

(11-25-2021 09:25 PM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote:  If only positives should be posted on a message board then we wouldn’t have much basketball discussion here over the last few years.

I’d rather read fair criticism than nothing at all. The latter means apathy has set in and people don’t care.

I somehow doubt being less negative would have helped CB McGrath succeed more. Nothing we say here should impact recruiting. If it does that speaks to a larger problem.

(11-25-2021 09:33 PM)SEA33HAWK Wrote:  

(11-25-2021 09:25 PM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote:  If only positives should be posted on a message board then we wouldn’t have much basketball discussion here over the last few years.

I’d rather read fair criticism than nothing at all. The latter means apathy has set in and people don’t care.

I somehow doubt being less negative would have helped CB McGrath succeed more. Nothing we say here should impact recruiting. If it does that speaks to a larger problem.

Never said there shouldn't be fair criticism.
There is a larger problem. It’s called social media. Many players aren't nearly as emotionally stable as those we grew up watching.

(11-25-2021 09:33 PM)SEA33HAWK Wrote:  

(11-25-2021 09:25 PM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote:  If only positives should be posted on a message board then we wouldn’t have much basketball discussion here over the last few years.

I’d rather read fair criticism than nothing at all. The latter means apathy has set in and people don’t care.

I somehow doubt being less negative would have helped CB McGrath succeed more. Nothing we say here should impact recruiting. If it does that speaks to a larger problem.

Never said there shouldn't be fair criticism.
There is a larger problem. It’s called social media. Many players aren't nearly as emotionally stable as those we grew up watching.

(11-27-2021 10:59 AM)billthebighawksfan Wrote:  I think so Jumpin. The Grizz are world beaters right now so that would not have gone well short-handed for sure. San Diego is no picnic either. Just rest and feel better!

I’m hoping that can be ready to roll on Wednesday. Getting sick now is better than conference time but it sucks to get sick.

(11-27-2021 04:39 PM)70shawk Wrote:  

(11-27-2021 10:59 AM)billthebighawksfan Wrote:  I think so Jumpin. The Grizz are world beaters right now so that would not have gone well short-handed for sure. San Diego is no picnic either. Just rest and feel better!

I’m hoping that can be ready to roll on Wednesday. Getting sick now is better than conference time but it sucks to get sick.

"While UM's record currently stands at 4-2, the Grizzlies might earn a forfeit victory over UNCW which would push their record to 5-2."

https://www.montanasports.com/sports/big-sky-conference/montana-grizzlies/montana-closes-out-zootown-classic-with-win-over-southern-miss

So UNCW might have two forfeit losses as a result of not playing?