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RE: ***The Official Western Kentucky vs Memphis Basketball Thread (11/19)*** - TigersRuleAll - 11-20-2021 08:09 AM
Penny might as well have no staff because it's clear he doesn't listen to them. I wish just one time he would angry at something, someone versus worrying about how cool he looks.
Year 4 and nothing has changed.
RE: ***The Official Western Kentucky vs Memphis Basketball Thread (11/19)*** - TigerBlue4Ever - 11-20-2021 08:29 AM
(11-20-2021 08:02 AM)cmt Wrote:(11-20-2021 07:30 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:(11-19-2021 11:20 PM)memphistiger89 Wrote: Penny has brought in some great talent during his time here but does anyone else think it weird that he hasn’t signed an elite PG? You would think that would be the one position where five stars would be lining up to play for him.
It's puzzling for sure.
Its not puzzling, Boogie left and at least 2 decommited, all or partly because they know Lomax is going to get minutes no matter what. All you Lomax defenders (and I love the kid,, he just should not be starting ) please explain this team's players per hundred possession stats over last 4 games. Lomax and Nolley are tied for 3rd in minutes. Lomax is 11th in defensive rating and 10th on offense, only ahead of Dandridge, Lawson and Camden.
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/schools/memphis/2022.html
Boogie was no elite PG in any universe and I loved the kid. I wish he hadn't left. I don't disagree with any of the rest of it though.
I think it's Penny's mindset that we are going to play position-less ball irredamngardless and that all of our players
But hey, I'm just a frustrated fan who still loves this team. Anything I, or many here, say in the heat of a close game needs to be taken with a grain of salt.
RE: ***The Official Western Kentucky vs Memphis Basketball Thread (11/19)*** - TigerBlue4Ever - 11-20-2021 08:32 AM
(11-20-2021 08:09 AM)TigersRuleAll Wrote: Penny might as well have no staff because it's clear he doesn't listen to them. I wish just one time he would angry at something, someone versus worrying about how cool he looks.
Year 4 and nothing has changed.
That's just not his approach. I wish he was more animated but he just isn't. I don't want him to be Cal in his first few years here, cursing and screaming at players, but I do wish he'd show some level of aggression and assertiveness.
RE: ***The Official Western Kentucky vs Memphis Basketball Thread (11/19)*** - TigerBlue4Ever - 11-20-2021 08:38 AM
Damn, I almost forgot, we are 4-0 and ranked number 11 in the country. We have what may be the most elite center in college hoops and a whole squad that is infinitely more capable than what they showed us last night. We may have needed a game like that one as a wake up call. We can't just walk out on the court and expect player and team rankings to win games for us.
If Penny isn't screaming at them over 26 turnovers and making them run nothing but passing drills the entire weekend then something is wrong. Although I'm not sure it would matter. These kids have been playing ball most of their lives, if they haven't been shown or figured out how to deliver a sharp crisp pass by now I'm not sure they can learn it. SO damn many lazy passes.
***The Official Western Kentucky vs Memphis Basketball Thread (11/19)*** - FCBE TIGER - 11-20-2021 09:01 AM
If WKU’s towel boy wasn’t on fire from downtown the score looks a little better, but we have to clean up turnovers or we’re going to lose to a disciplined team with less talent in the future.
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RE: ***The Official Western Kentucky vs Memphis Basketball Thread (11/19)*** - Unionman76 - 11-20-2021 09:33 AM
Doug Shows is awful, always has to have drama in his games
Attendance: 13,375
RE: ***The Official Western Kentucky vs Memphis Basketball Thread (11/19)*** - Eagleonpar - 11-20-2021 09:53 AM
(11-20-2021 07:26 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:(11-19-2021 10:59 PM)Eagleonpar Wrote:(11-19-2021 10:39 PM)chrisd11 Wrote:(11-19-2021 10:23 PM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:(11-19-2021 10:02 PM)SpiderMan79x Wrote: Alo 6 - Bates 4
Which doesn't negate the fact that Bates was a turnover machine tonight. He has a bit of an excuse given he's a 17 year old high school senior. There is no excuse for ALo.
Bates had 5 points and 4 turnovers
2-10 from the floor
Ouch
Bates is 17. Alo is 22 at least
Pointing out the obvious doesn't mean we are down on the kid. He just had a bad night, there's no denying it.
Comparing a freshman to a senior who has been in Penny’s system since 6 grade is spot on imo. The Lomax experiment is way past over. Time to play someone else. Lester, Nolley, Bates, Earl, Tyler even Williams at point power forward. That “ball handler” dribbled into 2 half court traps in the last 3 minutes.
RE: ***The Official Western Kentucky vs Memphis Basketball Thread (11/19)*** - TubbyBall - 11-20-2021 10:03 AM
(11-20-2021 09:53 AM)Eagleonpar Wrote:(11-20-2021 07:26 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:(11-19-2021 10:59 PM)Eagleonpar Wrote:(11-19-2021 10:39 PM)chrisd11 Wrote:(11-19-2021 10:23 PM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote: Which doesn't negate the fact that Bates was a turnover machine tonight. He has a bit of an excuse given he's a 17 year old high school senior. There is no excuse for ALo.
Bates had 5 points and 4 turnovers
2-10 from the floor
Ouch
Bates is 17. Alo is 22 at least
Pointing out the obvious doesn't mean we are down on the kid. He just had a bad night, there's no denying it.
Comparing a freshman to a senior who has been in Penny’s system since 6 grade is spot on imo. The Lomax experiment is way past over. Time to play someone else. Lester, Nolley, Bates, Earl, Tyler even Williams at point power forward. That “ball handler” dribbled into 2 half court traps in the last 3 minutes.
Thank you
RE: ***The Official Western Kentucky vs Memphis Basketball Thread (11/19)*** - snowtiger - 11-20-2021 10:37 AM
(11-20-2021 12:42 AM)Mimi Wrote: Things feel different in the arena than through the television
Alo had too many turnovers
And was also huge in settling this team that could have lost this game with timely assists and even with the turnovers he was a primary reason we won
Bates had 5 points, 4 boards, and 4 turnovers, 2 assists and no steals and was unsettling and while he is a tremendous player who will be key in whether we make a final four but tonight he played like a freshman and it would have lost us the game absent Alo
Lomax had 5 points, 3 boards and 6 turnovers, 4 assists and 4 steals and a block and was settling as hell
Yes, the 6 turnovers were frustrating, but if that is all you can see when you watch Alo than you have the problem
This
The couch potato coaches have neither court vision nor arena insight. Plus they have no insight as to what’s going on other than game time.
They don’t get it. No one is defending ALo’s Turnovers. But he was the best player we had for the job of winning last night’s game. We won.
RE: ***The Official Western Kentucky vs Memphis Basketball Thread (11/19)*** - mairving - 11-20-2021 10:50 AM
Last year people were killing ALo. He turned things around towards the end of the season.
RE: ***The Official Western Kentucky vs Memphis Basketball Thread (11/19)*** - cmt - 11-20-2021 10:52 AM
(11-20-2021 10:50 AM)mairving Wrote: Last year people were killing ALo. He turned things around towards the end of the season.
By getting hurt and letting Boogie take over?
And he, by no means, won the game last night. Duren won it. Several other players contributed and most made some really stupid mistakes.
RE: ***The Official Western Kentucky vs Memphis Basketball Thread (11/19)*** - SeñorTiger - 11-20-2021 10:55 AM
(11-20-2021 10:50 AM)mairving Wrote: Last year people were killing ALo. He turned things around towards the end of the season.
Last year we really did not have other options. This year we do have other options and options with much much much higher upside...
RE: ***The Official Western Kentucky vs Memphis Basketball Thread (11/19)*** - passat25 - 11-20-2021 11:01 AM
(11-20-2021 10:52 AM)cmt Wrote:(11-20-2021 10:50 AM)mairving Wrote: Last year people were killing ALo. He turned things around towards the end of the season.
By getting hurt and letting Boogie take over?
And he, by no means, won the game last night. Duren won it. Several other players contributed and most made some really stupid mistakes.
So true lol
We need to solve the PG issue.
RE: ***The Official Western Kentucky vs Memphis Basketball Thread (11/19)*** - Poolshrk111 - 11-20-2021 11:19 AM
(11-19-2021 11:00 PM)macgar32 Wrote:(11-19-2021 10:57 PM)Poolshrk111 Wrote: Bottom line, these 7 need a majority of the minutes: Bates, LQ, Nolley, Timberlake, Minot, Williams, Duren. These are your 7 best players. Start Timberlake at PG and let him roll with it.
Minot?
You playing Minot ahead of Lomax...
Yes. Those are your 7 best players. They should get the majority of the minutes. If Alo is as bad as he was last night you might as well give his mins to Tyler or Jayden; at least they have to be guarded at the 3 point line. Minot and Nolley should be your first two off the bench.
RE: ***The Official Western Kentucky vs Memphis Basketball Thread (11/19)*** - Poolshrk111 - 11-20-2021 11:22 AM
Timberlake
Bates
LQ
Williams
Duren
Nolley and Minot first in
Leaves you two spots, 1) goes to Lawson as a backup big and the other is 1 of Alo, Harris or Jayden.
Any other coach in the country wouldn’t play Alo, Tyler or Jayden over Earl, Bates, Nolley and Q. And even Boogie.
RE: ***The Official Western Kentucky vs Memphis Basketball Thread (11/19)*** - snowtiger - 11-20-2021 12:08 PM
Minott
Minott
Minott
Spell it three times
RE: ***The Official Western Kentucky vs Memphis Basketball Thread (11/19)*** - passat25 - 11-20-2021 12:09 PM
(11-20-2021 12:08 PM)snowtiger Wrote: Minott
Minott
Minott
Spell it three times
You must live in this place.. 3099 reps!??.. DAMN!
RE: ***The Official Western Kentucky vs Memphis Basketball Thread (11/19)*** - Unionman76 - 11-20-2021 12:23 PM
lester was wearing the janitor's shoes last night
RE: ***The Official Western Kentucky vs Memphis Basketball Thread (11/19)*** - snowtiger - 11-20-2021 12:25 PM
(11-20-2021 12:23 PM)Unionman76 Wrote: lester was wearing the janitor's shoes last nightI'll bite.
What was the janitor wearing?
RE: ***The Official Western Kentucky vs Memphis Basketball Thread (11/19)*** - memtigbb - 11-20-2021 12:30 PM
(11-20-2021 09:53 AM)Eagleonpar Wrote:(11-20-2021 07:26 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:(11-19-2021 10:59 PM)Eagleonpar Wrote:(11-19-2021 10:39 PM)chrisd11 Wrote:(11-19-2021 10:23 PM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote: Which doesn't negate the fact that Bates was a turnover machine tonight. He has a bit of an excuse given he's a 17 year old high school senior. There is no excuse for ALo.
Bates had 5 points and 4 turnovers
2-10 from the floor
Ouch
Bates is 17. Alo is 22 at least
Pointing out the obvious doesn't mean we are down on the kid. He just had a bad night, there's no denying it.
Comparing a freshman to a senior who has been in Penny’s system since 6 grade is spot on imo. The Lomax experiment is way past over. Time to play someone else. Lester, Nolley, Bates, Earl, Tyler even Williams at point power forward. That “ball handler” dribbled into 2 half court traps in the last 3 minutes.
and passed the ball to players already in traps multiple times. Someone in the game thread said "ALo only had 6 to's. Seemed like so many more" yeah because he was solely responsible for about 15 turnovers last night. His defense is still bad. I saw last night, when he was in the game, WK would drive straight at him over and over.