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RE: Rice AD: Best Academic Profile, Largest Endowment in G5 - b0ndsj0ns - 10-13-2021 02:16 PM (10-13-2021 02:06 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:(10-13-2021 01:51 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:(10-13-2021 12:37 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:(10-13-2021 12:35 PM)Chappy Wrote:(10-13-2021 07:51 AM)quo vadis Wrote: So Rice badly wants out of CUSA. For an 18 year old kid that wasn't born when any of that happened it's just as ancient and meaningless history. I know this because ECU was in a league with SMU at the time, prior to Larry Brown they were every bit the terrible program that ECU/Tulane/Rice were/are. SMU had the money and the stomach to hire known and proven winner and cheater Larry Brown, and he won almost immediately and of course got busted for cheating almost immediately, but it was completely worth it they became relevant overnight. Unlike UTSA or sadly even ECU Rice if they just decided they wanted to do it could go drop huge money to hire insert your massive name coach with baggage. They could go pay Rick Pitino or Greg Marshall 3 million a year to come coach at Rice, and Rice would instantly be nationally relevant. The only thing stopping Rice from doing something like that is Rice themselves. RE: Rice AD: Best Academic Profile, Largest Endowment in G5 - LostInSpace - 10-13-2021 02:23 PM (10-13-2021 01:20 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:(10-13-2021 12:43 PM)Pony94 Wrote:(10-13-2021 10:15 AM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote: Wouldn't the Rice AD already be aware of interest from the AAC? So is he saying these things to advertise Rice's interest in firming up those interests or is he worried that the AAC is passing on Rice? Is he also saying that the MWC isn't of interest to Rice? The folks Temple are disappointed that Houston is leaving. We can only speculate as to what they may think about Rice specifically. But other than having the same concerns as many do regarding Rice’s commitment to athletics (huge concern obviuosly), I can’t think of other reasons for Temple to find Rice objectionable and I can find reasons why they would want Rice as a member. As for the media, does anyone care about Mike Jensen’s opinion? Even he recently wrote a piece in which he conceded that the AAC is Temple’s best option as long as it’s sponsoring football. Or he was at least forced to do so because of the quotes he got from his interviews. RE: Rice AD: Best Academic Profile, Largest Endowment in G5 - CliftonAve - 10-13-2021 02:24 PM The Athletic releases an article today where they spoke to various ADs and coaches and listed Rice among then toughest G5/Indy jobs (in terms of being successful). The consensus was whether there was a commitment to football. https://theathletic.com/2885974/2021/10/13/the-hardest-jobs-in-college-football-coaches-ads-and-agents-on-miami-vanderbilt-kansas-umass-michigan-and-more/?amp#click=https://t.co/3zy4aYAe92 RE: Rice AD: Best Academic Profile, Largest Endowment in G5 - ExcitedOwl18 - 10-13-2021 02:25 PM (10-13-2021 02:16 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:(10-13-2021 02:06 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:(10-13-2021 01:51 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:(10-13-2021 12:37 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:(10-13-2021 12:35 PM)Chappy Wrote: Rice needs to do like SMU did with Larry Brown and make a splash basketball hire to put them on the map in BBall. A small school with high academic standards like Rice will never be able to be consistently good in football, but they could make noise in basketball. Our second or third largest basketball donor decided that he'd rather self-fund a run for governor of Virginia than further upgrade our basketball program. Time will tell if that gamble pays off! But in all seriousness, most Rice fans actually like our current basketball coach. The program is slowly but steadily getting better. RE: Rice AD: Best Academic Profile, Largest Endowment in G5 - bullet - 10-13-2021 02:26 PM (10-13-2021 01:06 PM)Bogg Wrote:(10-13-2021 12:40 PM)seaking4steel Wrote: Waiting for All4One to mention how CUSA will survive realignment. Its pretty telling that everyone in the conference has eyes elsewhere. There are if AAC goes to 12 and MWC and MAC go to 14. That would leave 16 between SBC and CUSA. RE: Rice AD: Best Academic Profile, Largest Endowment in G5 - The Cutter of Bish - 10-13-2021 02:27 PM (10-13-2021 01:31 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:(10-13-2021 12:42 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:(10-13-2021 11:41 AM)esayem Wrote:(10-13-2021 10:19 AM)DavidSt Wrote:(10-13-2021 10:12 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote: Rice has always been in a good position to rejoin a better conference. If only it ever really put into its athletics and kept at it as such, their current situation would be much different. Maybe even in a major conference by now. But, they don’t, so, now they’re not. I’ve heard that even the more recent updates didn’t address all of the stadium’s woes. Never been there, but would like to go just because of its history. I suspect that the historical component puts a school like that in a bind. It garners respect, but it’s not fan-friendly anymore with its infrastructure. Like, I couldn’t imagine ripping it down to rebuild, but a face-lift to its inner guts is cost-prohibitive, as well. Tudor Fieldhouse doesn’t look like much fun. Reminds me of a less open/more dark Tom Gola Arena (where La Salle plays). RE: Rice AD: Best Academic Profile, Largest Endowment in G5 - DaBigBlue - 10-13-2021 02:28 PM It seems that with Rice's AD writing that letter, they may have been passed over. Looks like a hail mary to me. Maybe it's a note, "don't forget about us". I mean every AD in CUSA has made a pitch to the AAC. Every team has some value, potential and strengths. Look the leading candidate, UAB. They didn't have football 4 years ago and only won their first every bowl game a couple years ago. Any team with resources can be successful. RE: Rice AD: Best Academic Profile, Largest Endowment in G5 - The Cutter of Bish - 10-13-2021 02:37 PM (10-13-2021 02:16 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote: Unlike UTSA or sadly even ECU Rice if they just decided they wanted to do it could go drop huge money to hire insert your massive name coach with baggage. They could go pay Rick Pitino or Greg Marshall 3 million a year to come coach at Rice, and Rice would instantly be nationally relevant. The only thing stopping Rice from doing something like that is Rice themselves. QFT, though, culturally, Rice would also have to challenge its recruiting practices and maybe try for kids it may have previously passed on, too. It’s a bigger lift for the school than it appears, but, yeah, Rice itself put that on its own back. RE: Rice AD: Best Academic Profile, Largest Endowment in G5 - loki_the_bubba - 10-13-2021 02:39 PM (10-13-2021 02:28 PM)DaBigBlue Wrote: It seems that with Rice's AD writing that letter, they may have been passed over. Looks like a hail mary to me. Maybe it's a note, "don't forget about us". I mean every AD in CUSA has made a pitch to the AAC. Every team has some value, potential and strengths. Look the leading candidate, UAB. They didn't have football 4 years ago and only won their first every bowl game a couple years ago. Any team with resources can be successful. There was no letter written. This was an interview with the school paper, the Rice Thresher. Nothing earthshaking in the content. And not much revealing either. RE: Rice AD: Best Academic Profile, Largest Endowment in G5 - b0ndsj0ns - 10-13-2021 02:54 PM (10-13-2021 02:37 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:(10-13-2021 02:16 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote: Unlike UTSA or sadly even ECU Rice if they just decided they wanted to do it could go drop huge money to hire insert your massive name coach with baggage. They could go pay Rick Pitino or Greg Marshall 3 million a year to come coach at Rice, and Rice would instantly be nationally relevant. The only thing stopping Rice from doing something like that is Rice themselves. True there's more to it than just that, but like you said all the issues that make it arguably impossible to win at Rice are self imposed. RE: Rice AD: Best Academic Profile, Largest Endowment in G5 - bullet - 10-13-2021 03:02 PM (10-13-2021 02:54 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:(10-13-2021 02:37 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:(10-13-2021 02:16 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote: Unlike UTSA or sadly even ECU Rice if they just decided they wanted to do it could go drop huge money to hire insert your massive name coach with baggage. They could go pay Rick Pitino or Greg Marshall 3 million a year to come coach at Rice, and Rice would instantly be nationally relevant. The only thing stopping Rice from doing something like that is Rice themselves. Well if Stanford can win, Rice can win. RE: Rice AD: Best Academic Profile, Largest Endowment in G5 - b0ndsj0ns - 10-13-2021 03:53 PM (10-13-2021 03:02 PM)bullet Wrote:(10-13-2021 02:54 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:(10-13-2021 02:37 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:(10-13-2021 02:16 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote: Unlike UTSA or sadly even ECU Rice if they just decided they wanted to do it could go drop huge money to hire insert your massive name coach with baggage. They could go pay Rick Pitino or Greg Marshall 3 million a year to come coach at Rice, and Rice would instantly be nationally relevant. The only thing stopping Rice from doing something like that is Rice themselves. The pool of kids that can meet those academic standards are tiny, and Notre Dame/Stanford/Northwestern are going to get the cream of that crop, and Rice is going to be behind Duke and Vandy as well in that pecking order. You can't swim only in that recruiting pool at the G5 level and win. SMU doesn't swim only in that pool. Even Tulane no longer swims only in that pool. Rice has to be willing to take the types of kids Tulane and SMU take if they want to win. If they only want to take the types of kids Stanford takes they can't win, nowhere near enough exist and Rice is last choice. RE: Rice AD: Best Academic Profile, Largest Endowment in G5 - CoastalJuan - 10-13-2021 04:05 PM (10-13-2021 03:53 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:(10-13-2021 03:02 PM)bullet Wrote:(10-13-2021 02:54 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:(10-13-2021 02:37 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:(10-13-2021 02:16 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote: Unlike UTSA or sadly even ECU Rice if they just decided they wanted to do it could go drop huge money to hire insert your massive name coach with baggage. They could go pay Rick Pitino or Greg Marshall 3 million a year to come coach at Rice, and Rice would instantly be nationally relevant. The only thing stopping Rice from doing something like that is Rice themselves. It's crazy to me that, with their resources, they could be a good football team next season if they wanted to be. If they've been reaching out to the Big 12 and AAC, why on Earth haven't they flipped that switch? RE: Rice AD: Best Academic Profile, Largest Endowment in G5 - BIgCatonProwl - 10-13-2021 04:11 PM Houston we have a problem! RE: Rice AD: Best Academic Profile, Largest Endowment in G5 - Fighting Muskie - 10-13-2021 04:19 PM (10-13-2021 03:02 PM)bullet Wrote:(10-13-2021 02:54 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:(10-13-2021 02:37 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:(10-13-2021 02:16 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote: Unlike UTSA or sadly even ECU Rice if they just decided they wanted to do it could go drop huge money to hire insert your massive name coach with baggage. They could go pay Rick Pitino or Greg Marshall 3 million a year to come coach at Rice, and Rice would instantly be nationally relevant. The only thing stopping Rice from doing something like that is Rice themselves. Stanford’s enrollment is considerably larger but I get the point, Rice could fund a competitive program but chooses not to. Honestly, I kind of don’t blame them—it’s not like the Houston market is suddenly going to convert to Rice fans with a few great seasons. Maybe some of these urban academic citadels would be better served being beasts in D3 or forming a Patriot/Ivy style FCS conference. RE: Rice AD: Best Academic Profile, Largest Endowment in G5 - loki_the_bubba - 10-13-2021 04:55 PM (10-13-2021 04:19 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:The problem with an Ivy or D3 strategy is the distances down here. Even 'close' teams like Tulane are further away than the span of the Ivy League or typical D3 conference.(10-13-2021 03:02 PM)bullet Wrote:(10-13-2021 02:54 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:(10-13-2021 02:37 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:(10-13-2021 02:16 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote: Unlike UTSA or sadly even ECU Rice if they just decided they wanted to do it could go drop huge money to hire insert your massive name coach with baggage. They could go pay Rick Pitino or Greg Marshall 3 million a year to come coach at Rice, and Rice would instantly be nationally relevant. The only thing stopping Rice from doing something like that is Rice themselves. RE: Rice AD: Best Academic Profile, Largest Endowment in G5 - whittx - 10-13-2021 05:19 PM (10-13-2021 11:41 AM)esayem Wrote:(10-13-2021 10:19 AM)DavidSt Wrote:(10-13-2021 10:12 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote: Rice has always been in a good position to rejoin a better conference. If only it ever really put into its athletics and kept at it as such, their current situation would be much different. Maybe even in a major conference by now. But, they don’t, so, now they’re not. You're more likely to see Albany and that isn't happening. RE: Rice AD: Best Academic Profile, Largest Endowment in G5 - Fighting Muskie - 10-13-2021 05:40 PM (10-13-2021 04:55 PM)loki_the_bubba Wrote:(10-13-2021 04:19 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:The problem with an Ivy or D3 strategy is the distances down here. Even 'close' teams like Tulane are further away than the span of the Ivy League or typical D3 conference.(10-13-2021 03:02 PM)bullet Wrote:(10-13-2021 02:54 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:(10-13-2021 02:37 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote: QFT, though, culturally, Rice would also have to challenge its recruiting practices and maybe try for kids it may have previously passed on, too. It’s a bigger lift for the school than it appears, but, yeah, Rice itself put that on its own back. There’s a D3 conference of all AAU schools that has a giant footprint. This would be a similar idea RE: Rice AD: Best Academic Profile, Largest Endowment in G5 - CoastalJuan - 10-13-2021 05:53 PM (10-13-2021 04:19 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:(10-13-2021 03:02 PM)bullet Wrote:(10-13-2021 02:54 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:(10-13-2021 02:37 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:(10-13-2021 02:16 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote: Unlike UTSA or sadly even ECU Rice if they just decided they wanted to do it could go drop huge money to hire insert your massive name coach with baggage. They could go pay Rick Pitino or Greg Marshall 3 million a year to come coach at Rice, and Rice would instantly be nationally relevant. The only thing stopping Rice from doing something like that is Rice themselves. You don't think so? Texans are terrible. If the cougars keep being terrible at football in the Big 12, and the rockets have a bad season, a 10-win Rice would be a hot ticket. Look at Miami. They are another small private(lol) with a terrible pro football franchise in town. (and if any of you are old enough to be Dan Marino fans, shoosh) RE: Rice AD: Best Academic Profile, Largest Endowment in G5 - bullet - 10-13-2021 05:53 PM (10-13-2021 04:19 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:(10-13-2021 03:02 PM)bullet Wrote:(10-13-2021 02:54 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:(10-13-2021 02:37 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:(10-13-2021 02:16 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote: Unlike UTSA or sadly even ECU Rice if they just decided they wanted to do it could go drop huge money to hire insert your massive name coach with baggage. They could go pay Rick Pitino or Greg Marshall 3 million a year to come coach at Rice, and Rice would instantly be nationally relevant. The only thing stopping Rice from doing something like that is Rice themselves. The problem for Rice is that there is noone else around ike them in Division 3 or like a patriot/Ivy school. The nearest such schools are in the UAA-Washington, Mo. and Emory. So they need to try to get with SMU and Tulane. |