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RE: What is the OVC going to do? - TexasTerror - 11-25-2021 08:25 AM
Some new comments from OVC Commish, EIU athletic director
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“(While) we don’t have a specific timetable, we are aggressively engaged in the process of cultivating relationships to find institutions that share a similar mission and vision. Our Presidents have been very engaged, and this process has reaffirmed how much people care deeply about this league,” OVC commissioner Beth DeBauche said last week in a written statement to Prairie State Pigskin.
Eastern Illinois athletic director Tom Michael also shared his thoughts.
“Anytime institutions leave your conference for whatever reasons they are, and they’ve all left for their own individual reasons, and whatever they are, they have to do what’s best for them individually,” Michael told Prairie State Pigskin Monday, “but certainly it’s concerning when we’ve lost four institutions in the last year.
“All of us (that remain) are looking to create some stability in the league. We have 10 institutions that are committed to the OVC right now, but we need to continue to look at the football piece from a scheduling standpoint and try to figure out a way that fits both from a competitive standpoint, a geographical/budgetary/travel standpoint.”
https://www.chicagonow.com/prairie-state-pigskin/2021/11/eastern-illinois-ohio-valley-conference-face-uncertain-future-heading-into-football-off-season/
RE: What is the OVC going to do? - Inkblot - 11-25-2021 10:21 AM
10 institutions that are committed? Is that including the two that are gone after this year?
RE: What is the OVC going to do? - DavidSt - 11-25-2021 11:23 AM
(11-25-2021 08:25 AM)TexasTerror Wrote: Some new comments from OVC Commish, EIU athletic director
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“(While) we don’t have a specific timetable, we are aggressively engaged in the process of cultivating relationships to find institutions that share a similar mission and vision. Our Presidents have been very engaged, and this process has reaffirmed how much people care deeply about this league,” OVC commissioner Beth DeBauche said last week in a written statement to Prairie State Pigskin.
Eastern Illinois athletic director Tom Michael also shared his thoughts.
“Anytime institutions leave your conference for whatever reasons they are, and they’ve all left for their own individual reasons, and whatever they are, they have to do what’s best for them individually,” Michael told Prairie State Pigskin Monday, “but certainly it’s concerning when we’ve lost four institutions in the last year.
“All of us (that remain) are looking to create some stability in the league. We have 10 institutions that are committed to the OVC right now, but we need to continue to look at the football piece from a scheduling standpoint and try to figure out a way that fits both from a competitive standpoint, a geographical/budgetary/travel standpoint.”
https://www.chicagonow.com/prairie-state-pigskin/2021/11/eastern-illinois-ohio-valley-conference-face-uncertain-future-heading-into-football-off-season/
Interested from this part as well.
Quote:Organ named 10 schools, however only half of those have football teams. Those five schools are: Alabama A&M, Chattanooga, East Tennessee State, West Florida and West Georgia. The latter two currently play at the Division II level.
So, they want to raid SWAC, SoCon And GSC from D2 in West Florida and West Georgia.
RE: What is the OVC going to do? - IWokeUpLikeThis - 11-25-2021 11:28 AM
Organ is very obviously an idiot.
RE: What is the OVC going to do? - johnbragg - 11-25-2021 12:32 PM
(11-25-2021 11:28 AM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote: Organ is very obviously an idiot.
No he just doesn't have a lot of good options
RE: What is the OVC going to do? - IWokeUpLikeThis - 11-25-2021 12:35 PM
(11-25-2021 12:32 PM)johnbragg Wrote:(11-25-2021 11:28 AM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote: Organ is very obviously an idiot.
No he just doesn't have a lot of good options
No, re-check the article. Organ is a journalist who doesn't grasp even the most elementary fundamentals of realignment. If you're writing about the OVC poaching multiple SoCon schools, you're not qualified to write about the topic.
RE: What is the OVC going to do? - johnbragg - 11-25-2021 01:02 PM
(11-25-2021 12:35 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:(11-25-2021 12:32 PM)johnbragg Wrote:(11-25-2021 11:28 AM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote: Organ is very obviously an idiot.
No he just doesn't have a lot of good options
No, re-check the article. Organ is a journalist who doesn't grasp even the most elementary fundamentals of realignment. If you're writing about the OVC poaching multiple SoCon schools, you're not qualified to write about the topic.
Ehh, he suggests a school, then gives the reason they probably won't. What else do you want from him?
RE: What is the OVC going to do? - IWokeUpLikeThis - 11-25-2021 01:13 PM
(11-25-2021 01:02 PM)johnbragg Wrote:(11-25-2021 12:35 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:(11-25-2021 12:32 PM)johnbragg Wrote:(11-25-2021 11:28 AM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote: Organ is very obviously an idiot.
No he just doesn't have a lot of good options
No, re-check the article. Organ is a journalist who doesn't grasp even the most elementary fundamentals of realignment. If you're writing about the OVC poaching multiple SoCon schools, you're not qualified to write about the topic.
Ehh, he suggests a school, then gives the reason they probably won't. What else do you want from him?
To not suggest schools from conferences ranked 20 spots above the future OVC? That wasn't important enough to mention, but an associate membership in beach volleyball was.
I'm asking for informed, common sense journalism (ie. a league ranked 20 spots above the future iteration of another isn't losing schools to them).
RE: What is the OVC going to do? - bill dazzle - 11-25-2021 01:15 PM
(11-25-2021 12:35 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:(11-25-2021 12:32 PM)johnbragg Wrote:(11-25-2021 11:28 AM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote: Organ is very obviously an idiot.
No he just doesn't have a lot of good options
No, re-check the article. Organ is a journalist who doesn't grasp even the most elementary fundamentals of realignment. If you're writing about the OVC poaching multiple SoCon schools, you're not qualified to write about the topic.
I've known Mike Organ since the early 1980s (we both attended Middle Tennessee State). Mike is very connected and knowledgeable regarding the OVC. He is also highly ethical and conscientious, always attempting to be fair and accurate with his reporting.
Now, that's not to say Mike is an expert on the "fundamentals of realignment," as you note. He's clearly no Matt Brown (strongly enjoy having MB on the board).
But I think some credit is due here.
RE: What is the OVC going to do? - mjs - 11-25-2021 02:40 PM
I'm now thinking that the Ohio Valley is our (i.e. Little Rock) mostly likely and best landing spot. The Sun Belt is pushing us and UTA out. The MoValley apparently wants UTA, but not us. They also apparently want UMKC. We clearly have had more success on the basketball court than either of those schools, but don't bring the market they do which seems to be their main criteria. We have been a "competitive" Sun Belt team, for many years, and have 2 NCAA appearances in the last 10 years or so. We have clearly had the best women's basketball program in the Belt (we already have wins over Vanderbilt, Memphis and Auburn this season), for the past 15 years, but this doesn't appear to mean much. Since we don't have football, our options are limited. I would think that the Ohio Valley would be happy to have us despite not having football. At this point, I think we need to wait for the dust to settle to make sure the OVC is a viable league going forward. Most of the teams in the OVC are a reasonable bus ride from Little Rock, with Morehead State (about 8:30 hours) being the furthest. I think this would be a real positive for us with budgets tightening at many mid-majors.
RE: What is the OVC going to do? - The Cutter of Bish - 11-26-2021 06:50 AM
(11-25-2021 01:13 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:(11-25-2021 01:02 PM)johnbragg Wrote:(11-25-2021 12:35 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:(11-25-2021 12:32 PM)johnbragg Wrote:(11-25-2021 11:28 AM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote: Organ is very obviously an idiot.
No he just doesn't have a lot of good options
No, re-check the article. Organ is a journalist who doesn't grasp even the most elementary fundamentals of realignment. If you're writing about the OVC poaching multiple SoCon schools, you're not qualified to write about the topic.
Ehh, he suggests a school, then gives the reason they probably won't. What else do you want from him?
To not suggest schools from conferences ranked 20 spots above the future OVC? That wasn't important enough to mention, but an associate membership in beach volleyball was.
I'm asking for informed, common sense journalism (ie. a league ranked 20 spots above the future iteration of another isn't losing schools to them).
I think the UTC thing is an easy lift and can be a lazy suggestion anyone at this point can make. Just because UTC did it before to leverage on SoCon to grab ETSU doesn’t mean lightning strikes twice here. And in a now nearly gutted OVC, what could UTC possibly be thinking? If UTC is letting this float out there, SoCon should call them out on it.
So, yeah, it’s either bad journalism, or get the popcorn ready for something within SoCon.
This kind of take isn’t unlike sliding EKU into every FBS upgrade slot because of their former candidacy for Sun Belt. “Well, they did it before…stands to reason they’ll do it again!”
RE: What is the OVC going to do? - johnbragg - 11-26-2021 07:30 AM
(11-26-2021 06:50 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:(11-25-2021 01:13 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:(11-25-2021 01:02 PM)johnbragg Wrote:(11-25-2021 12:35 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:(11-25-2021 12:32 PM)johnbragg Wrote: No he just doesn't have a lot of good options
No, re-check the article. Organ is a journalist who doesn't grasp even the most elementary fundamentals of realignment. If you're writing about the OVC poaching multiple SoCon schools, you're not qualified to write about the topic.
Ehh, he suggests a school, then gives the reason they probably won't. What else do you want from him?
To not suggest schools from conferences ranked 20 spots above the future OVC? That wasn't important enough to mention, but an associate membership in beach volleyball was.
I'm asking for informed, common sense journalism (ie. a league ranked 20 spots above the future iteration of another isn't losing schools to them).
I think the UTC thing is an easy lift and can be a lazy suggestion anyone at this point can make. Just because UTC did it before to leverage on SoCon to grab ETSU doesn’t mean lightning strikes twice here. And in a now nearly gutted OVC, what could UTC possibly be thinking? If UTC is letting this float out there, SoCon should call them out on it.
So, yeah, it’s either bad journalism, or get the popcorn ready for something within SoCon.
This kind of take isn’t unlike sliding EKU into every FBS upgrade slot because of their former candidacy for Sun Belt. “Well, they did it before…stands to reason they’ll do it again!”
You real ize these articles are aimed at normies, right?
If he doesn't address UTC etc, they'll get complaints and questions "why don't they just go get It Chattanooga?".
Even though the answer is "because there's no way UTC us leaving SoCon for the new dumpster fire OVC."
RE: What is the OVC going to do? - Gemofthehills - 11-26-2021 08:05 AM
Whats up with UTC, rumors center around them at every conference change? Someone in their organization must hint at their unhappiness in the SOCON. If UTC truly is considering a change why would you choose the OVC over ASUN? If KSU leaves a league with KSU, UNA, AP and UCA would be better than the OVC. UTC may very well have the option of FBS in the near future.
Also, could just be to have as many options as possible if you have the possibility of being left at the alter.
RE: What is the OVC going to do? - The Cutter of Bish - 11-26-2021 09:44 AM
(11-26-2021 07:30 AM)johnbragg Wrote:(11-26-2021 06:50 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:(11-25-2021 01:13 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:(11-25-2021 01:02 PM)johnbragg Wrote:(11-25-2021 12:35 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote: No, re-check the article. Organ is a journalist who doesn't grasp even the most elementary fundamentals of realignment. If you're writing about the OVC poaching multiple SoCon schools, you're not qualified to write about the topic.
Ehh, he suggests a school, then gives the reason they probably won't. What else do you want from him?
To not suggest schools from conferences ranked 20 spots above the future OVC? That wasn't important enough to mention, but an associate membership in beach volleyball was.
I'm asking for informed, common sense journalism (ie. a league ranked 20 spots above the future iteration of another isn't losing schools to them).
I think the UTC thing is an easy lift and can be a lazy suggestion anyone at this point can make. Just because UTC did it before to leverage on SoCon to grab ETSU doesn’t mean lightning strikes twice here. And in a now nearly gutted OVC, what could UTC possibly be thinking? If UTC is letting this float out there, SoCon should call them out on it.
So, yeah, it’s either bad journalism, or get the popcorn ready for something within SoCon.
This kind of take isn’t unlike sliding EKU into every FBS upgrade slot because of their former candidacy for Sun Belt. “Well, they did it before…stands to reason they’ll do it again!”
You real ize these articles are aimed at normies, right?
If he doesn't address UTC etc, they'll get complaints and questions "why don't they just go get It Chattanooga?".
Even though the answer is "because there's no way UTC us leaving SoCon for the new dumpster fire OVC."
If one can easily float that name, it can just as easily be mentioned why they are listed. It won’t take that many characters of text to explain. Either there’s truth to a school’s unrest, or the name is just listed, and unfounded, because of “previous activities.”
This stuff does nobody good, and I am feeling for SoCon in these cases because this isn’t optically very helpful for it. UTC can do a better job with its outward PR about its status and place and relative happiness and commitment to its current conference surroundings, or it should get to steppin’.
It’s just old and tired if it’s not founded on anything new or recent. Much like all of us normal fans know/knew Penn State wasn’t walking back its Big Ten membership for Big East considerations, decent journalists made that known as well, or simply didn’t reference them at all.
RE: What is the OVC going to do? - johnbragg - 11-26-2021 10:10 AM
(11-26-2021 09:44 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:(11-26-2021 07:30 AM)johnbragg Wrote:(11-26-2021 06:50 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:(11-25-2021 01:13 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:(11-25-2021 01:02 PM)johnbragg Wrote: Ehh, he suggests a school, then gives the reason they probably won't. What else do you want from him?
To not suggest schools from conferences ranked 20 spots above the future OVC? That wasn't important enough to mention, but an associate membership in beach volleyball was.
I'm asking for informed, common sense journalism (ie. a league ranked 20 spots above the future iteration of another isn't losing schools to them).
I think the UTC thing is an easy lift and can be a lazy suggestion anyone at this point can make. Just because UTC did it before to leverage on SoCon to grab ETSU doesn’t mean lightning strikes twice here. And in a now nearly gutted OVC, what could UTC possibly be thinking? If UTC is letting this float out there, SoCon should call them out on it.
So, yeah, it’s either bad journalism, or get the popcorn ready for something within SoCon.
This kind of take isn’t unlike sliding EKU into every FBS upgrade slot because of their former candidacy for Sun Belt. “Well, they did it before…stands to reason they’ll do it again!”
You real ize these articles are aimed at normies, right?
If he doesn't address UTC etc, they'll get complaints and questions "why don't they just go get It Chattanooga?".
Even though the answer is "because there's no way UTC us leaving SoCon for the new dumpster fire OVC."
If one can easily float that name, it can just as easily be mentioned why they are listed.
It's barely worth the characters to type on CSNBBS, but here I go: UT Chattanooga is listed as an OVC and ASUN etc candidate because they're a halfway-decent-for-FCS school in Tennessee.
Much like James Madison for the last 10 years, Eastern Kentucky is listed for every FBS opening because they came pretty close 10 years ago, so the they're at the top of the list for the next opening.
Quote:It won’t take that many characters of text to explain. Either there’s truth to a school’s unrest, or the name is just listed, and unfounded, because of “previous activities.”
This stuff does nobody good, and I am feeling for SoCon in these cases because this isn’t optically very helpful for it. UTC can do a better job with its outward PR about its status and place and relative happiness and commitment to its current conference surroundings, or it should get to steppin’.
It’s just old and tired if it’s not founded on anything new or recent.
OK then it's old and tired. Realistically, the OVC has a low probability of getting anyone for football besides Division II upgrades. On the other hand, long-shots pay off sometimes. Maybe Chattanooga's brass don't get along with the private / military school higher-ups in the SoCon and they make a move. If you're the Ohio Valley Conference staff, you make that phone call.
Quote:Much like all of us normal fans know/knew Penn State wasn’t walking back its Big Ten membership for Big East considerations, decent journalists made that known as well, or simply didn’t reference them at all.
Which is what the journalist did here, but you're still mad for some reason.
RE: What is the OVC going to do? - Fresno St. Alum - 11-26-2021 09:26 PM
what ever happened w/ S.Indiana getting ready to join the OVC. UWF is and UWG are good D-I move up options but both would be better for the ASUN and UWF would fit better w/ the SLC over the OVC
RE: What is the OVC going to do? - EKUSteve - 11-27-2021 12:53 PM
(11-26-2021 09:26 PM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote: what ever happened w/ S.Indiana getting ready to join the OVC. UWF is and UWG are good D-I move up options but both would be better for the ASUN and UWF would fit better w/ the SLC over the OVC
USI is still looking at it. Hope to have study done by the end if the year.
https://www.courierpress.com/story/news/local/2021/11/04/usi-hopes-conclude-di-feasibility-study-end-2021/6284350001/
RE: What is the OVC going to do? - TOPSTRAIGHT - 11-27-2021 01:02 PM
USI January 13th for a decision date. Look for Little Rock to join. Western Illinois is still a possible as olympics only if OVC stops FB sponsorship.
RE: What is the OVC going to do? - DavidSt - 11-27-2021 02:32 PM
(11-26-2021 08:05 AM)Gemofthehills Wrote: Whats up with UTC, rumors center around them at every conference change? Someone in their organization must hint at their unhappiness in the SOCON. If UTC truly is considering a change why would you choose the OVC over ASUN? If KSU leaves a league with KSU, UNA, AP and UCA would be better than the OVC. UTC may very well have the option of FBS in the near future.
Also, could just be to have as many options as possible if you have the possibility of being left at the alter.
Chattanooga leadership hinted FBS a couple months ago before CUSA got raided.
RE: What is the OVC going to do? - chargeradio - 11-27-2021 03:15 PM
I would think if C-USA is going to go above nine, they may still be gunshy about bringing in more FCS transitions than absolutely necessary.