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AAC Candidates USNWR and Carnegie Classification - LaTex14 - 09-13-2021 08:40 PM
Ranked Candidates:
Rice: 17 - R1
Buffalo: 93 - R1
UAB: 148 - R1
Charlotte: 227 - R2
GA State: 239 - R1
ODU: 263 - R2
LaTech: 277 - R2
UNT: 277 - R1
FAU: 277 - R2
Marshall: 288 - R2
Unranked (300+):
-Southern Miss - R1
-UTSA - R2
-WKU - D/PU (3rd Tier)
-ULL - R2
-Arkansas State - R2
-Liberty - D/PU
Regional (Not Listed):
-App State - M1 (4th Tier)
-Coastal Carolina - M1
Let me know if I missed anyone!
Not including any MWC teams because Big-12 expansion will likely keep them from moving to AAC.
AAC Candidates USNWR and Carnegie Classification - Stay Cool - 09-13-2021 08:42 PM
We no longer have a shot and quite frankly, I appreciate you leaving NIU off at this point
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RE: AAC Candidates USNWR and Carnegie Classification - LaTex14 - 09-13-2021 08:46 PM
(09-13-2021 08:42 PM)Stay Cool Wrote: We no longer have a shot and quite frankly, I appreciate you leaving NIU off at this point
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You guys are 300+ and a R2!
I had you guys on here initially, but the list was kinda long.
Sorry for your pain.
RE: AAC Candidates USNWR and Carnegie Classification - esayem - 09-13-2021 08:47 PM
UMass
RE: AAC Candidates USNWR and Carnegie Classification - e-parade - 09-13-2021 09:16 PM
(09-13-2021 08:47 PM)esayem Wrote: UMass
I believe this year we're 68 and R1. 26 for publics.
RE: AAC Candidates USNWR and Carnegie Classification - Stugray2 - 09-13-2021 10:02 PM
Rice and Buffalo are also AAU schools. Buffalo is pretty far away and rather small niche. It's Rice and UAB that are in footprint and bring rankings.
I think you are wrong on the MWC ability to keep schools. But I'll go with the premise here, and say after trying for 6 months Boise State, Army and Air Force all decline. So Colorado State, San Diego State and Fresno State stay home as well. Rice and UAB are still there ripe for the picking, even if the accepted some other conference (think TCU's 2011 u-turn from Big East bound to Big 12)
BTW, to really understand who is picking you should give the rankings of the American schools voting:
Tulane (also AAU), SMU, Tulsa, Temple, South Florida especially as they are 75% of the votes (6 of 8 in football and 6 of 8 in Olympic sports)
RE: AAC Candidates USNWR and Carnegie Classification - BullsFanInTX - 09-13-2021 10:04 PM
One of the reasons I believe UAB will be added for sure.
While their ranking isn't as high as USF, Temple, SMU, and Tulane, it's not bad and will not be a drag on the conference.
Rice is too bad athletically to be added, and Buffalo is too far out of the footprint.
RE: AAC Candidates USNWR and Carnegie Classification - LaTex14 - 09-13-2021 10:14 PM
(09-13-2021 10:04 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote: One of the reasons I believe UAB will be added for sure.
While their ranking isn't as high as USF, Temple, SMU, and Tulane, it's not bad and will not be a drag on the conference.
Rice is too bad athletically to be added, and Buffalo is too far out of the footprint.
Will be interesting to see what the AAC President prioritize. Buffalo and Rice might be too good to ignore academically. They have the money to improve facilities.
LaTech was also better than I expected.
They don’t do anything great, but do everything good. Good football, basketball, baseball. Their only negative is Ruston is so small.
Feel like this helps the case for GA State, and Charlotte. Solid academics and market size. If you are looking to move east, might take them over ODU or FAU.
App State and Coastal are basically untouchable academically. Just awful.
RE: AAC Candidates USNWR and Carnegie Classification - dawgonit - 09-13-2021 10:46 PM
(09-13-2021 10:14 PM)LaTex14 Wrote:(09-13-2021 10:04 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote: One of the reasons I believe UAB will be added for sure.
While their ranking isn't as high as USF, Temple, SMU, and Tulane, it's not bad and will not be a drag on the conference.
Rice is too bad athletically to be added, and Buffalo is too far out of the footprint.
LaTech was also better than I expected.
They don’t do anything great, but do everything good. Good football, basketball, baseball. Their only negative is Ruston is so small.
We are the most above average option in every category but never the best. Easy safe option that the AAC should take first.
Also technically we have a campus in Shreveport and play home games there every now and then. Can we claim that market?
RE: AAC Candidates USNWR and Carnegie Classification - panama - 09-13-2021 11:33 PM
(09-13-2021 10:46 PM)dawgonit Wrote:Unfortunately no.(09-13-2021 10:14 PM)LaTex14 Wrote:(09-13-2021 10:04 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote: One of the reasons I believe UAB will be added for sure.
While their ranking isn't as high as USF, Temple, SMU, and Tulane, it's not bad and will not be a drag on the conference.
Rice is too bad athletically to be added, and Buffalo is too far out of the footprint.
LaTech was also better than I expected.
They don’t do anything great, but do everything good. Good football, basketball, baseball. Their only negative is Ruston is so small.
We are the most above average option in every category but never the best. Easy safe option that the AAC should take first.
Also technically we have a campus in Shreveport and play home games there every now and then. Can we claim that market?
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RE: AAC Candidates USNWR and Carnegie Classification - PicksUp - 09-13-2021 11:53 PM
(09-13-2021 10:02 PM)Stugray2 Wrote: Rice and Buffalo are also AAU schools. Buffalo is pretty far away and rather small niche. It's Rice and UAB that are in footprint and bring rankings.
I think you are wrong on the MWC ability to keep schools. But I'll go with the premise here, and say after trying for 6 months Boise State, Army and Air Force all decline. So Colorado State, San Diego State and Fresno State stay home as well. Rice and UAB are still there ripe for the picking, even if the accepted some other conference (think TCU's 2011 u-turn from Big East bound to Big 12)
BTW, to really understand who is picking you should give the rankings of the American schools voting:
Tulane (also AAU), SMU, Tulsa, Temple, South Florida especially as they are 75% of the votes (6 of 8 in football and 6 of 8 in Olympic sports)
Keep dreaming. If anyone from the MW joins the AAC before the end of the year, Ill stop posting on this site.
By join I mean announces officially.
RE: AAC Candidates USNWR and Carnegie Classification - deb025 - 09-14-2021 12:01 AM
(09-13-2021 10:14 PM)LaTex14 Wrote:(09-13-2021 10:04 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote: One of the reasons I believe UAB will be added for sure.
While their ranking isn't as high as USF, Temple, SMU, and Tulane, it's not bad and will not be a drag on the conference.
Rice is too bad athletically to be added, and Buffalo is too far out of the footprint.
Will be interesting to see what the AAC President prioritize. Buffalo and Rice might be too good to ignore academically. They have the money to improve facilities.
LaTech was also better than I expected.
They don’t do anything great, but do everything good. Good football, basketball, baseball. Their only negative is Ruston is so small.
Feel like this helps the case for GA State, and Charlotte. Solid academics and market size. If you are looking to move east, might take them over ODU or FAU.
App State and Coastal are basically untouchable academically. Just awful.
About the same size as Oxford, MS. I've never understood the negativity of a college or university being in a small city. To me it makes the college experience better because the whole city is truly behind the university.
RE: AAC Candidates USNWR and Carnegie Classification - VCE - 09-14-2021 12:24 AM
(09-13-2021 11:53 PM)PicksUp Wrote:(09-13-2021 10:02 PM)Stugray2 Wrote: Rice and Buffalo are also AAU schools. Buffalo is pretty far away and rather small niche. It's Rice and UAB that are in footprint and bring rankings.
I think you are wrong on the MWC ability to keep schools. But I'll go with the premise here, and say after trying for 6 months Boise State, Army and Air Force all decline. So Colorado State, San Diego State and Fresno State stay home as well. Rice and UAB are still there ripe for the picking, even if the accepted some other conference (think TCU's 2011 u-turn from Big East bound to Big 12)
BTW, to really understand who is picking you should give the rankings of the American schools voting:
Tulane (also AAU), SMU, Tulsa, Temple, South Florida especially as they are 75% of the votes (6 of 8 in football and 6 of 8 in Olympic sports)
Keep dreaming. If anyone from the MW joins the AAC before the end of the year, Ill stop posting on this site.
By join I mean announces officially.
I’m not sure those types of assurances mean jack s*** after board moderator JDTulane welched.
RE: AAC Candidates USNWR and Carnegie Classification - 2Buck - 09-14-2021 01:46 AM
(09-13-2021 10:14 PM)LaTex14 Wrote:(09-13-2021 10:04 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote: One of the reasons I believe UAB will be added for sure.
While their ranking isn't as high as USF, Temple, SMU, and Tulane, it's not bad and will not be a drag on the conference.
Rice is too bad athletically to be added, and Buffalo is too far out of the footprint.
Will be interesting to see what the AAC President prioritize. Buffalo and Rice might be too good to ignore academically. They have the money to improve facilities.
LaTech was also better than I expected.
They don’t do anything great, but do everything good. Good football, basketball, baseball. Their only negative is Ruston is so small.
Feel like this helps the case for GA State, and Charlotte. Solid academics and market size. If you are looking to move east, might take them over ODU or FAU.
App State and Coastal are basically untouchable academically. Just awful.
You have no idea what you're talking about. App State is simply classified as a Masters level because they focus on undergrad instead of doctoral programs. For a lot of state schools (especially in states with public ivies like UNC) there's a glut of state schools with doctoral programs. Has nothing to do with the quality of education offered by the schools. If App were in a doctoral Carnegie Mellon classification they'd probably be close to 200 or above. In fact, Charlotte is generally much easier to get into than App. Being an "R1" doesn't mean sh!t in terms of quality of education. Now AAU is a totally different story.
RE: AAC Candidates USNWR and Carnegie Classification - Attackcoog - 09-14-2021 02:35 AM
(09-13-2021 10:46 PM)dawgonit Wrote:(09-13-2021 10:14 PM)LaTex14 Wrote:(09-13-2021 10:04 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote: One of the reasons I believe UAB will be added for sure.
While their ranking isn't as high as USF, Temple, SMU, and Tulane, it's not bad and will not be a drag on the conference.
Rice is too bad athletically to be added, and Buffalo is too far out of the footprint.
LaTech was also better than I expected.
They don’t do anything great, but do everything good. Good football, basketball, baseball. Their only negative is Ruston is so small.
We are the most above average option in every category but never the best. Easy safe option that the AAC should take first.
Also technically we have a campus in Shreveport and play home games there every now and then. Can we claim that market?
The odd thing is it was just 5 or 6 years ago that LaTech was a USNWR top 200 school. I’m wondering what happened to make their ranking fall so far so quickly. Same thing happened to ECU (they were a top 200 school until just a few years ago)—though they didn’t fall nearly as much. I wonder if USNWR changed some of their metrics.
RE: AAC Candidates USNWR and Carnegie Classification - schmolik - 09-14-2021 04:51 AM
(09-13-2021 10:14 PM)LaTex14 Wrote:(09-13-2021 10:04 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote: One of the reasons I believe UAB will be added for sure.
While their ranking isn't as high as USF, Temple, SMU, and Tulane, it's not bad and will not be a drag on the conference.
Rice is too bad athletically to be added, and Buffalo is too far out of the footprint.
Will be interesting to see what the AAC President prioritize. Buffalo and Rice might be too good to ignore academically. They have the money to improve facilities.
LaTech was also better than I expected.
They don’t do anything great, but do everything good. Good football, basketball, baseball. Their only negative is Ruston is so small.
Feel like this helps the case for GA State, and Charlotte. Solid academics and market size. If you are looking to move east, might take them over ODU or FAU.
App State and Coastal are basically untouchable academically. Just awful.
If you're saying Buffalo out of the AAC footprint, you're saying Temple is as well. Depending on who these new members are, Temple leaving might not be the worst idea. If your closest geographical member is East Carolina, you don't belong in the conference. Buffalo would at least give Temple a Northeast partner they haven't had since UConn left. I'm sure no in the AAC cares if Temple leaves but if they do they should at least consider who they invite.
(09-14-2021 12:01 AM)deb025 Wrote:(09-13-2021 10:14 PM)LaTex14 Wrote:(09-13-2021 10:04 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote: One of the reasons I believe UAB will be added for sure.
While their ranking isn't as high as USF, Temple, SMU, and Tulane, it's not bad and will not be a drag on the conference.
Rice is too bad athletically to be added, and Buffalo is too far out of the footprint.
Will be interesting to see what the AAC President prioritize. Buffalo and Rice might be too good to ignore academically. They have the money to improve facilities.
LaTech was also better than I expected.
They don’t do anything great, but do everything good. Good football, basketball, baseball. Their only negative is Ruston is so small.
Feel like this helps the case for GA State, and Charlotte. Solid academics and market size. If you are looking to move east, might take them over ODU or FAU.
App State and Coastal are basically untouchable academically. Just awful.
About the same size as Oxford, MS. I've never understood the negativity of a college or university being in a small city. To me it makes the college experience better because the whole city is truly behind the university.
I don't think all college towns are created equal. A college town in a populous state likely has college kids from big cities and can still have a big city feel. Urbana, IL is a college town but they have a lot of Chicago area kids. State College, PA is a college town but has a lot of Philadelphia, Pittsburgh, even some New York and Washington DC area kids. I'm guessing Gainesville, FL draws people from all over the state of Florida. But a college town in a state with a small population doesn't have much of a fan base.
RE: AAC Candidates USNWR and Carnegie Classification - LostInSpace - 09-14-2021 06:39 AM
(09-14-2021 04:51 AM)schmolik Wrote:(09-13-2021 10:14 PM)LaTex14 Wrote:(09-13-2021 10:04 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote: One of the reasons I believe UAB will be added for sure.
While their ranking isn't as high as USF, Temple, SMU, and Tulane, it's not bad and will not be a drag on the conference.
Rice is too bad athletically to be added, and Buffalo is too far out of the footprint.
Will be interesting to see what the AAC President prioritize. Buffalo and Rice might be too good to ignore academically. They have the money to improve facilities.
LaTech was also better than I expected.
They don’t do anything great, but do everything good. Good football, basketball, baseball. Their only negative is Ruston is so small.
Feel like this helps the case for GA State, and Charlotte. Solid academics and market size. If you are looking to move east, might take them over ODU or FAU.
App State and Coastal are basically untouchable academically. Just awful.
If you're saying Buffalo out of the AAC footprint, you're saying Temple is as well. Depending on who these new members are, Temple leaving might not be the worst idea. If your closest geographical member is East Carolina, you don't belong in the conference. Buffalo would at least give Temple a Northeast partner they haven't had since UConn left. I'm sure no in the AAC cares if Temple leaves but if they do they should at least consider who they invite.
(09-14-2021 12:01 AM)deb025 Wrote:(09-13-2021 10:14 PM)LaTex14 Wrote:(09-13-2021 10:04 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote: One of the reasons I believe UAB will be added for sure.
While their ranking isn't as high as USF, Temple, SMU, and Tulane, it's not bad and will not be a drag on the conference.
Rice is too bad athletically to be added, and Buffalo is too far out of the footprint.
Will be interesting to see what the AAC President prioritize. Buffalo and Rice might be too good to ignore academically. They have the money to improve facilities.
LaTech was also better than I expected.
They don’t do anything great, but do everything good. Good football, basketball, baseball. Their only negative is Ruston is so small.
Feel like this helps the case for GA State, and Charlotte. Solid academics and market size. If you are looking to move east, might take them over ODU or FAU.
App State and Coastal are basically untouchable academically. Just awful.
About the same size as Oxford, MS. I've never understood the negativity of a college or university being in a small city. To me it makes the college experience better because the whole city is truly behind the university.
I don't think all college towns are created equal. A college town in a populous state likely has college kids from big cities and can still have a big city feel. Urbana, IL is a college town but they have a lot of Chicago area kids. State College, PA is a college town but has a lot of Philadelphia, Pittsburgh, even some New York and Washington DC area kids. I'm guessing Gainesville, FL draws people from all over the state of Florida. But a college town in a state with a small population doesn't have much of a fan base.
Buffalo remains the same distance from Temple as ECU same as it was yesterday. Buffalo still isn’t close enough to be a travel partner. Temple is by definition part of the conference footprint. When the A10 starts sponsoring FBS football I’m sure Temple will apply. In the meantime the AAC is the only option. Obviously the AAC members would care if Temple left and it begs the question why Temple would pay $10 million to do so.
Whether it’s here or on the Temple board the obsession that some Villanova fans have with hoping to see Temple drop football is just strange.
RE: AAC Candidates USNWR and Carnegie Classification - chuckk3 - 09-14-2021 07:38 AM
(09-14-2021 04:51 AM)schmolik Wrote: I don't think all college towns are created equal. A college town in a populous state likely has college kids from big cities and can still have a big city feel. Urbana, IL is a college town but they have a lot of Chicago area kids. State College, PA is a college town but has a lot of Philadelphia, Pittsburgh, even some New York and Washington DC area kids. I'm guessing Gainesville, FL draws people from all over the state of Florida. But a college town in a state with a small population doesn't have much of a fan base.
What blows my mind is the exact opposite. How do states like Mississippi and Alabama (and South Carolina and Iowa and Kansas) have the population to support multiple P5's? pretty amazing, really.
RE: AAC Candidates USNWR and Carnegie Classification - Rob3338 - 09-14-2021 07:42 AM
(09-14-2021 06:39 AM)LostInSpace Wrote:(09-14-2021 04:51 AM)schmolik Wrote:(09-13-2021 10:14 PM)LaTex14 Wrote:(09-13-2021 10:04 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote: One of the reasons I believe UAB will be added for sure.
While their ranking isn't as high as USF, Temple, SMU, and Tulane, it's not bad and will not be a drag on the conference.
Rice is too bad athletically to be added, and Buffalo is too far out of the footprint.
Will be interesting to see what the AAC President prioritize. Buffalo and Rice might be too good to ignore academically. They have the money to improve facilities.
LaTech was also better than I expected.
They don’t do anything great, but do everything good. Good football, basketball, baseball. Their only negative is Ruston is so small.
Feel like this helps the case for GA State, and Charlotte. Solid academics and market size. If you are looking to move east, might take them over ODU or FAU.
App State and Coastal are basically untouchable academically. Just awful.
If you're saying Buffalo out of the AAC footprint, you're saying Temple is as well. Depending on who these new members are, Temple leaving might not be the worst idea. If your closest geographical member is East Carolina, you don't belong in the conference. Buffalo would at least give Temple a Northeast partner they haven't had since UConn left. I'm sure no in the AAC cares if Temple leaves but if they do they should at least consider who they invite.
(09-14-2021 12:01 AM)deb025 Wrote:(09-13-2021 10:14 PM)LaTex14 Wrote:(09-13-2021 10:04 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote: One of the reasons I believe UAB will be added for sure.
While their ranking isn't as high as USF, Temple, SMU, and Tulane, it's not bad and will not be a drag on the conference.
Rice is too bad athletically to be added, and Buffalo is too far out of the footprint.
Will be interesting to see what the AAC President prioritize. Buffalo and Rice might be too good to ignore academically. They have the money to improve facilities.
LaTech was also better than I expected.
They don’t do anything great, but do everything good. Good football, basketball, baseball. Their only negative is Ruston is so small.
Feel like this helps the case for GA State, and Charlotte. Solid academics and market size. If you are looking to move east, might take them over ODU or FAU.
App State and Coastal are basically untouchable academically. Just awful.
About the same size as Oxford, MS. I've never understood the negativity of a college or university being in a small city. To me it makes the college experience better because the whole city is truly behind the university.
I don't think all college towns are created equal. A college town in a populous state likely has college kids from big cities and can still have a big city feel. Urbana, IL is a college town but they have a lot of Chicago area kids. State College, PA is a college town but has a lot of Philadelphia, Pittsburgh, even some New York and Washington DC area kids. I'm guessing Gainesville, FL draws people from all over the state of Florida. But a college town in a state with a small population doesn't have much of a fan base.
Buffalo remains the same distance from Temple as ECU same as it was yesterday. Buffalo still isn’t close enough to be a travel partner. Temple is by definition part of the conference footprint. When the A10 starts sponsoring FBS football I’m sure Temple will apply. In the meantime the AAC is the only option. Obviously the AAC members would care if Temple left and it begs the question why Temple would pay $10 million to do so.
Whether it’s here or on the Temple board the obsession that some Villanova fans have with hoping to see Temple drop football is just strange.
Agreed Villanova people are genuinely strange. They have excellent BB why don't they just go with that?
RE: AAC Candidates USNWR and Carnegie Classification - Gamecock - 09-14-2021 07:55 AM
Honestly unless we are talking about the Power 5 I am not convinced any of these presidents care that much about academic rankings. If they think App State or Liberty is going to give them a better TV deal and improve football/basketball rankings then I think they'll add them.