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Scott Frost could be in some hot water - usffan - 08-18-2021 08:28 AM
Of course there's no real way to know who leaked this story, but given the speculation about how hot the seat is for Frost, that he wasn't hired by Alberts and the high buyout if Nebraska wanted to make a move, this sure seems to be almost too coincidentally perfect.
USFFan
RE: Scott Frost could be in some hot water - ccd494 - 08-18-2021 08:30 AM
You'd think he would win more football games if he was cheating.
RE: Scott Frost could be in some hot water - johnintx - 08-18-2021 08:52 AM
(08-18-2021 08:28 AM)usffan Wrote: Of course there's no real way to know who leaked this story, but given the speculation about how hot the seat is for Frost, that he wasn't hired by Alberts and the high buyout if Nebraska wanted to make a move, this sure seems to be almost too coincidentally perfect.
USFFan
Yeah, those dots connect pretty nicely. Someone's looking for just cause.
RE: Scott Frost could be in some hot water - No Bull - 08-18-2021 09:20 AM
(08-18-2021 08:52 AM)johnintx Wrote:(08-18-2021 08:28 AM)usffan Wrote: Of course there's no real way to know who leaked this story, but given the speculation about how hot the seat is for Frost, that he wasn't hired by Alberts and the high buyout if Nebraska wanted to make a move, this sure seems to be almost too coincidentally perfect.
USFFan
Yeah, those dots connect pretty nicely. Someone's looking for just cause.
I feel like Frost regretted taking the Nebraska job before the ink was dry on his contract. Frost should have stayed at UCF a bit longer. Nebraska has been very average since it bailed out on the Big 12. Frost should have waited for the Oregon job to open back up. Imo
RE: Scott Frost could be in some hot water - GoldenWarrior11 - 08-18-2021 09:43 AM
(08-18-2021 09:20 AM)No Bull Wrote:(08-18-2021 08:52 AM)johnintx Wrote:(08-18-2021 08:28 AM)usffan Wrote: Of course there's no real way to know who leaked this story, but given the speculation about how hot the seat is for Frost, that he wasn't hired by Alberts and the high buyout if Nebraska wanted to make a move, this sure seems to be almost too coincidentally perfect.
USFFan
Yeah, those dots connect pretty nicely. Someone's looking for just cause.
I feel like Frost regretted taking the Nebraska job before the ink was dry on his contract. Frost should have stayed at UCF a bit longer. Nebraska has been very average since it bailed out on the Big 12. Frost should have waited for the Oregon job to open back up. Imo
There should be zero regret or second-guessing, IMO. If you are head coach at the G5 level, especially coming off a historic undefeated season, and you are offered a (historical) top-15 program job that you are an alum for, and get paid handsomely for it, you take it every single time. If Frost does get fired after this season (which is a strong possibility), Frost will have no shortage of suitors for either a 1) P5 OC position, likely an SEC role, that he can spin into another P5 head coaching job or 2) a G5 HC position, which he can be very selective with in order to parlay that into another P5 HC role.
In any event, Nebraska will likely not be Frost's last HC role at the P5 level. Frost hit the ceiling at UCF and could not get any higher (undefeated season, self-proclaimed national championship). The bigger challenge for him was to (re)create a sustained elite-level program at Nebraska, which he has been very unsuccessful with thus far.
Frost is making $5 million at Nebraska. Gus Malzahn, a national championship-winning coach now at UCF, is only making $2.3 million at UCF. Again, there should be zero second-guessing on Frost's part.
RE: Scott Frost could be in some hot water - quo vadis - 08-18-2021 09:51 AM
(08-18-2021 09:43 AM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:(08-18-2021 09:20 AM)No Bull Wrote:(08-18-2021 08:52 AM)johnintx Wrote:(08-18-2021 08:28 AM)usffan Wrote: Of course there's no real way to know who leaked this story, but given the speculation about how hot the seat is for Frost, that he wasn't hired by Alberts and the high buyout if Nebraska wanted to make a move, this sure seems to be almost too coincidentally perfect.
USFFan
Yeah, those dots connect pretty nicely. Someone's looking for just cause.
I feel like Frost regretted taking the Nebraska job before the ink was dry on his contract. Frost should have stayed at UCF a bit longer. Nebraska has been very average since it bailed out on the Big 12. Frost should have waited for the Oregon job to open back up. Imo
There should be zero regret or second-guessing, IMO. If you are head coach at the G5 level, especially coming off a historic undefeated season, and you are offered a (historical) top-15 program job that you are an alum for, and get paid handsomely for it, you take it every single time. If Frost does get fired after this season (which is a strong possibility), Frost will have no shortage of suitors for either a 1) P5 OC position, likely an SEC role, that he can spin into another P5 head coaching job or 2) a G5 HC position, which he can be very selective with in order to parlay that into another P5 HC role.
In any event, Nebraska will likely not be Frost's last HC role at the P5 level. Frost hit the ceiling at UCF and could not get any higher (undefeated season, self-proclaimed national championship). The bigger challenge for him was to (re)create a sustained elite-level program at Nebraska, which he has been very unsuccessful with thus far.
Frost is making $5 million at Nebraska. Gus Malzahn, a national championship-winning coach now at UCF, is only making $2.3 million at UCF. Again, there should be zero second-guessing on Frost's part.
Totally agree. Even if Frost gets unceremoniously fired by UNL this season, he has cashed those B1G-P5 coaching checks for four years, basically set-for-life money, and as a former UNL coach he could find another job as a Nick Saban analyst in no time (LOL) or likely grab a G5 job.
In any event, if I were him, I'd have zero regrets, it was the only move I would make then or now.
RE: Scott Frost could be in some hot water - quo vadis - 08-18-2021 09:54 AM
(08-18-2021 08:52 AM)johnintx Wrote:(08-18-2021 08:28 AM)usffan Wrote: Of course there's no real way to know who leaked this story, but given the speculation about how hot the seat is for Frost, that he wasn't hired by Alberts and the high buyout if Nebraska wanted to make a move, this sure seems to be almost too coincidentally perfect.
USFFan
Yeah, those dots connect pretty nicely. Someone's looking for just cause.
Someone may be, but I'm not sure who it is. Sure there is some grumbling at UNL about him, but he's also had only two true full seasons as coach. IMO, most UNL fans are probably not ready to pull the plug on a UNL man who led the team to their last national championship as their golden-boy quarterback.
I think he has more goodwill and capital with the UNL community than that.
Now if the team tanks again this year ....
RE: Scott Frost could be in some hot water - johnintx - 08-18-2021 09:56 AM
(08-18-2021 09:43 AM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:(08-18-2021 09:20 AM)No Bull Wrote:(08-18-2021 08:52 AM)johnintx Wrote:(08-18-2021 08:28 AM)usffan Wrote: Of course there's no real way to know who leaked this story, but given the speculation about how hot the seat is for Frost, that he wasn't hired by Alberts and the high buyout if Nebraska wanted to make a move, this sure seems to be almost too coincidentally perfect.
USFFan
Yeah, those dots connect pretty nicely. Someone's looking for just cause.
I feel like Frost regretted taking the Nebraska job before the ink was dry on his contract. Frost should have stayed at UCF a bit longer. Nebraska has been very average since it bailed out on the Big 12. Frost should have waited for the Oregon job to open back up. Imo
There should be zero regret or second-guessing, IMO. If you are head coach at the G5 level, especially coming off a historic undefeated season, and you are offered a (historical) top-15 program job that you are an alum for, and get paid handsomely for it, you take it every single time. If Frost does get fired after this season (which is a strong possibility), Frost will have no shortage of suitors for either a 1) P5 OC position, likely an SEC role, that he can spin into another P5 head coaching job or 2) a G5 HC position, which he can be very selective with in order to parlay that into another P5 HC role.
In any event, Nebraska will likely not be Frost's last HC role at the P5 level. Frost hit the ceiling at UCF and could not get any higher (undefeated season, self-proclaimed national championship). The bigger challenge for him was to (re)create a sustained elite-level program at Nebraska, which he has been very unsuccessful with thus far.
Frost is making $5 million at Nebraska. Gus Malzahn, a national championship-winning coach now at UCF, is only making $2.3 million at UCF. Again, there should be zero second-guessing on Frost's part.
Yep. He maxed out at UCF. He could only go down from undefeated. He had the chance to go home and rebuild Nebraska, the program where he won a NC as a player. Between the money and the opportunity, he had to take it.
I'm not sure if anyone can restore Nebraska, but he wasn't wrong to go there, and they weren't wrong to hire him.
As long as the Huskers can keep filling an 80,000 seat stadium, and as long as those with memory of their greatness are still living, they'll keep trying to restore past glory.
RE: Scott Frost could be in some hot water - Wedge - 08-18-2021 11:03 AM
(08-18-2021 08:52 AM)johnintx Wrote:(08-18-2021 08:28 AM)usffan Wrote: Of course there's no real way to know who leaked this story, but given the speculation about how hot the seat is for Frost, that he wasn't hired by Alberts and the high buyout if Nebraska wanted to make a move, this sure seems to be almost too coincidentally perfect.
USFFan
Yeah, those dots connect pretty nicely. Someone's looking for just cause.
Kansas and David Beaty. Connecticut and Kevin Ollie. Seems like standard operating procedure these days.
RE: Scott Frost could be in some hot water - Attackcoog - 08-18-2021 11:23 AM
(08-18-2021 09:20 AM)No Bull Wrote:(08-18-2021 08:52 AM)johnintx Wrote:(08-18-2021 08:28 AM)usffan Wrote: Of course there's no real way to know who leaked this story, but given the speculation about how hot the seat is for Frost, that he wasn't hired by Alberts and the high buyout if Nebraska wanted to make a move, this sure seems to be almost too coincidentally perfect.
USFFan
Yeah, those dots connect pretty nicely. Someone's looking for just cause.
I feel like Frost regretted taking the Nebraska job before the ink was dry on his contract. Frost should have stayed at UCF a bit longer. Nebraska has been very average since it bailed out on the Big 12. Frost should have waited for the Oregon job to open back up. Imo
I dont know. Nebraska is a pretty good job. Good fan base---good school with great facilites. Im surprised its been so hard to get that place turned around.
RE: Scott Frost could be in some hot water - ArmoredUpKnight - 08-18-2021 11:30 AM
Scott Frost and Josh Huepel are nothing without UCF.
Expect Josh Huepel to be really bad at Tennessee too. Scott Frost will have other opportunities. I doubt Frost or Huepel make it back to a NY6 game as the Head Coach.
RE: Scott Frost could be in some hot water - JRsec - 08-18-2021 11:31 AM
(08-18-2021 08:28 AM)usffan Wrote:
Of course there's no real way to know who leaked this story, but given the speculation about how hot the seat is for Frost, that he wasn't hired by Alberts and the high buyout if Nebraska wanted to make a move, this sure seems to be almost too coincidentally perfect.
USFFan
Nebraska has threatened to sue the Big 10 over COVID losses as recently as last week and now this pops up? There are the dots you need to connect. All these conference offices know what peccadillos their coaches are into and usually only get involved if they would be embarrassing to the conference. But they are also a convenient tool for firing a shot across the bow for other reasons.
If the offenses are serious then this will become evident soon enough. If they aren't then I'd say the legal threat has been responded to and these seem minor.
RE: Scott Frost could be in some hot water - Scoochpooch1 - 08-18-2021 02:26 PM
(08-18-2021 09:20 AM)No Bull Wrote:(08-18-2021 08:52 AM)johnintx Wrote:(08-18-2021 08:28 AM)usffan Wrote: Of course there's no real way to know who leaked this story, but given the speculation about how hot the seat is for Frost, that he wasn't hired by Alberts and the high buyout if Nebraska wanted to make a move, this sure seems to be almost too coincidentally perfect.
USFFan
Yeah, those dots connect pretty nicely. Someone's looking for just cause.
I feel like Frost regretted taking the Nebraska job before the ink was dry on his contract. Frost should have stayed at UCF a bit longer. Nebraska has been very average since it bailed out on the Big 12. Frost should have waited for the Oregon job to open back up. Imo
Frost should have stuck with the easy path to 12 wins. He has no idea how to win vs real teams now.
RE: Scott Frost could be in some hot water - The Grassy Nole - 08-18-2021 06:44 PM
What is killing Frost is him trying to run a speed offense in the middle of the country. If he built a team like Iowa or Wisconsin, started to win games, and then began attracting blue chip speedsters; he may be able to pull it off. I doubt there are many blue chippers hanging around Nebraska (or adjacent states) in which Nebraska can just pick up, nor is that Texas Pipeline ever coming back. Until Scott Frost builds to the strengths of the area of the country he is in, he will never succeed at Nebraska. If he gets fired at Nebraska and becomes the next coach at an Arizona State, Virginia Tech, or Texas Tech type program I bet he would do fine.
RE: Scott Frost could be in some hot water - Wedge - 08-18-2021 06:53 PM
(08-18-2021 06:44 PM)The Grassy Nole Wrote: What is killing Frost is him trying to run a speed offense in the middle of the country. If he built a team like Iowa or Wisconsin, started to win games, and then began attracting blue chip speedsters; he may be able to pull it off. I doubt there are many blue chippers hanging around Nebraska (or adjacent states) in which Nebraska can just pick up, nor is that Texas Pipeline ever coming back. Until Scott Frost builds to the strengths of the area of the country he is in, he will never succeed at Nebraska. If he gets fired at Nebraska and becomes the next coach at an Arizona State, Virginia Tech, or Texas Tech type program I bet he would do fine.
Frost is 12-20 at Nebraska. Head coaches who gets fired with that kind of winning percentage don't lateral directly into another P job.
RE: Scott Frost could be in some hot water - The Grassy Nole - 08-18-2021 07:08 PM
(08-18-2021 06:53 PM)Wedge Wrote:(08-18-2021 06:44 PM)The Grassy Nole Wrote: What is killing Frost is him trying to run a speed offense in the middle of the country. If he built a team like Iowa or Wisconsin, started to win games, and then began attracting blue chip speedsters; he may be able to pull it off. I doubt there are many blue chippers hanging around Nebraska (or adjacent states) in which Nebraska can just pick up, nor is that Texas Pipeline ever coming back. Until Scott Frost builds to the strengths of the area of the country he is in, he will never succeed at Nebraska. If he gets fired at Nebraska and becomes the next coach at an Arizona State, Virginia Tech, or Texas Tech type program I bet he would do fine.
Frost is 12-20 at Nebraska. Head coaches who gets fired with that kind of winning percentage don't lateral directly into another P job.
Tell that to Kliff Kingsbury, fired from Texas Tech yet NFL head coach haha! In all seriousness I am just saying if he were to somehow land at one of those other programs he would probably be getting much better results. The only wildcard in this is McKenzie Milton is that damn good and carried Frost (I am hoping for that to be true for obvious reasons) kinda like how Teddy Bridgewater carried Charlie Strong to getting the Texas job.
RE: Scott Frost could be in some hot water - Wedge - 08-18-2021 08:01 PM
(08-18-2021 07:08 PM)The Grassy Nole Wrote:(08-18-2021 06:53 PM)Wedge Wrote:(08-18-2021 06:44 PM)The Grassy Nole Wrote: What is killing Frost is him trying to run a speed offense in the middle of the country. If he built a team like Iowa or Wisconsin, started to win games, and then began attracting blue chip speedsters; he may be able to pull it off. I doubt there are many blue chippers hanging around Nebraska (or adjacent states) in which Nebraska can just pick up, nor is that Texas Pipeline ever coming back. Until Scott Frost builds to the strengths of the area of the country he is in, he will never succeed at Nebraska. If he gets fired at Nebraska and becomes the next coach at an Arizona State, Virginia Tech, or Texas Tech type program I bet he would do fine.
Frost is 12-20 at Nebraska. Head coaches who gets fired with that kind of winning percentage don't lateral directly into another P job.
Tell that to Kliff Kingsbury, fired from Texas Tech yet NFL head coach haha! In all seriousness I am just saying if he were to somehow land at one of those other programs he would probably be getting much better results. The only wildcard in this is McKenzie Milton is that damn good and carried Frost (I am hoping for that to be true for obvious reasons) kinda like how Teddy Bridgewater carried Charlie Strong to getting the Texas job.
Didn't know Milton had transferred to FSU. Great pickup for FSU if he's anywhere close to his previous level.
RE: Scott Frost could be in some hot water - BruceMcF - 08-18-2021 08:06 PM
(08-18-2021 11:23 AM)Attackcoog Wrote: I dont know. Nebraska is a pretty good job. Good fan base---good school with great facilites. Im surprised its been so hard to get that place turned around.
Also moved from a power conference with one of the three biggest recruiting states in its footprint to the power conference with the weakest recruiting in its footprint.
So I think there is a lot to:
(08-18-2021 06:44 PM)The Grassy Nole Wrote: What is killing Frost is him trying to run a speed offense in the middle of the country. If he built a team like Iowa or Wisconsin, started to win games, and then began attracting blue chip speedsters; he may be able to pull it off. I doubt there are many blue chippers hanging around Nebraska (or adjacent states) in which Nebraska can just pick up, nor is that Texas Pipeline ever coming back. Until Scott Frost builds to the strengths of the area of the country he is in, he will never succeed at Nebraska. ...
Trying to build the same offense as too many other people in the out of conference areas he needs to recruit when going up against the local powers in that area, without a lot of program success under his belt already, seems like it will lead to a lot of #2 and #3 finishes in fights for target recruits, in a fight where close counts for nothing at all.
RE: Scott Frost could be in some hot water - Mav - 08-19-2021 09:04 AM
(08-18-2021 09:54 AM)quo vadis Wrote:Nebraska fans take great pride in running a clean program. Any sign of impropriety does make you look that much worse in their eyes. The older ones look at our history with Miami with almost a good vs. evil lens for that reason. The fans don't just want to win, they want a program to be proud of.(08-18-2021 08:52 AM)johnintx Wrote:(08-18-2021 08:28 AM)usffan Wrote: Of course there's no real way to know who leaked this story, but given the speculation about how hot the seat is for Frost, that he wasn't hired by Alberts and the high buyout if Nebraska wanted to make a move, this sure seems to be almost too coincidentally perfect.
USFFan
Yeah, those dots connect pretty nicely. Someone's looking for just cause.
Someone may be, but I'm not sure who it is. Sure there is some grumbling at UNL about him, but he's also had only two true full seasons as coach. IMO, most UNL fans are probably not ready to pull the plug on a UNL man who led the team to their last national championship as their golden-boy quarterback.
I think he has more goodwill and capital with the UNL community than that.
Now if the team tanks again this year ....
This will factor into how the fans view him, especially with one of the main charges being "improper use of a special teams analyst" when the special teams under Frost have been some of the worst in the country.
Still, to say Frost regrets coming home is sour grapes. I'm not going to say he was the right man for the job but I will say his heart is in it and there was no way he was going to say no.