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Texas and Oklahoma not part of the Big XII Conference Call this evening Per Thamel - Maize - 07-22-2021 04:59 PM
Here is the link:
https://twitter.com/petethamel/status/1418329283680944132?s=21
RE: Texas and Oklahoma not part of the Big XII Conference Call this evening Per Thamel - Kit-Cat - 07-22-2021 05:03 PM
XII could still raid the PAC for leftovers once the B1G is done picking through it.
RE: Texas and Oklahoma not part of the Big XII Conference Call this evening Per Thamel - dbackjon - 07-22-2021 05:08 PM
(07-22-2021 05:03 PM)Kit-Cat Wrote: XII could still raid the PAC for leftovers once the B1G is done picking through it.
Stop.
No one from the Pac is going to the UT/OU less Big 12
RE: Texas and Oklahoma not part of the Big XII Conference Call this evening Per Thamel - JHS55 - 07-22-2021 05:14 PM
they better talk about getting nebraska back as the flagship of the b12, they can offer the exit fee money left by the two who left
RE: Texas and Oklahoma not part of the Big XII Conference Call this evening Per Thamel - DFW HOYA - 07-22-2021 05:15 PM
(07-22-2021 05:14 PM)JHS55 Wrote: they better talk about getting nebraska back as the flagship of the b12, they can offer the exit fee money left by the two who left
The Big Ten would probably be fine with that. Opens the door for an add of its own.
RE: Texas and Oklahoma not part of the Big XII Conference Call this evening Per Thamel - Attackcoog - 07-22-2021 05:16 PM
Without Texas and Oklahoma, the Big12 is essentially in the same position as the 2011 Big East. They arent poaching any P5.
RE: Texas and Oklahoma not part of the Big XII Conference Call this evening Per Thamel - Fighting Muskie - 07-22-2021 05:18 PM
I’d love to be a fly on the wall in that conference call
RE: Texas and Oklahoma not part of the Big XII Conference Call this evening Per Thamel - UHCougar08 - 07-22-2021 05:20 PM
They’re going to have to add teams while they find their life rafts.
RE: Texas and Oklahoma not part of the Big XII Conference Call this evening Per Thamel - DFW HOYA - 07-22-2021 05:21 PM
"Hang together, or hang separately." If the Big East (basketball) schools had split up, where would they be scattered?
The problem with breaking up the Big 12 is that someone's holding the bag at the end.
OSU and Texas Tech probably find a home.
Baylor and TCU, maybe.
WVU, only if the ACC takes pity.
Iowa State, only if the Big Ten has a heart.
The Kansas schools? Who knows.
RE: Texas and Oklahoma not part of the Big XII Conference Call this evening Per Thamel - Frank the Tank - 07-22-2021 05:28 PM
(07-22-2021 05:15 PM)DFW HOYA Wrote:(07-22-2021 05:14 PM)JHS55 Wrote: they better talk about getting nebraska back as the flagship of the b12, they can offer the exit fee money left by the two who left
The Big Ten would probably be fine with that. Opens the door for an add of its own.
No, the Big Ten would *definitely* not be fine with that. What open door do they need? If UT and OU are off the table and ND isn't coming, they don't need a door!
Nebraska is exponentially more valuable than any realistic addition to the Big Ten out there at this point. It's not even close.
RE: Texas and Oklahoma not part of the Big XII Conference Call this evening Per Thamel - Kit-Cat - 07-22-2021 05:29 PM
(07-22-2021 05:08 PM)dbackjon Wrote:(07-22-2021 05:03 PM)Kit-Cat Wrote: XII could still raid the PAC for leftovers once the B1G is done picking through it.
Stop.
No one from the Pac is going to the UT/OU less Big 12
If the PAC loses 8 to the B1G maybe the leftover 4 will align with the XII as an alternative to MWC schools.
That's all I'm saying. Perhaps the XII should be patient if all these massive power conferences come to fruition.
RE: Texas and Oklahoma not part of the Big XII Conference Call this evening Per Thamel - dbackjon - 07-22-2021 05:32 PM
(07-22-2021 05:28 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:(07-22-2021 05:15 PM)DFW HOYA Wrote:(07-22-2021 05:14 PM)JHS55 Wrote: they better talk about getting nebraska back as the flagship of the b12, they can offer the exit fee money left by the two who left
The Big Ten would probably be fine with that. Opens the door for an add of its own.
No, the Big Ten would *definitely* not be fine with that. What open door do they need? If UT and OU are off the table and ND isn't coming, they don't need a door!
Nebraska is exponentially more valuable than any realistic addition to the Big Ten out there at this point. It's not even close.
And why would Nebraska take a HUGE paycut?
RE: Texas and Oklahoma not part of the Big XII Conference Call this evening Per Thamel - Frank the Tank - 07-22-2021 05:33 PM
(07-22-2021 05:14 PM)JHS55 Wrote: they better talk about getting nebraska back as the flagship of the b12, they can offer the exit fee money left by the two who left
I think people are underrating stability here as a conference realignment goal. More short-term money (which I don't think would even occur - the Big Ten is CLEARLY providing more money to Nebraska) is irrelevant without long term stability. Heck, that's a big reason why UT and OU are considering the SEC in the first place.
I don't know why this seems to be so hard for a lot of people to understand, but being an equal member in an organization where you can cash massive checks whether you're 12-0 or 0-12 without any risk is basically a university president's dream compared to being a "flagship" of a conference. All this talk about whether it's easier to make a playoff, whether you have more influence compared to Ohio State/Alabama/whichever other conference member, whether they're going lose 5 or 6 game per year now... that's all IRRELEVANT for conference realignment. We have seen that over and over and over and over again. Anything based on "performance bonuses" or variable payments that aren't guaranteed are basically worthless to university leaders. They want zero risk massive revenue that's guaranteed whether they win or lose. Leagues like the SEC and Big Ten provide that in spades. The ones that don't are the ones that are in danger and it makes no sense why anyone would ever leave either the SEC or Big Ten in this environment.
RE: Texas and Oklahoma not part of the Big XII Conference Call this evening Per Thamel - UpStreamRedTeam - 07-22-2021 06:02 PM
(07-22-2021 05:21 PM)DFW HOYA Wrote: "Hang together, or hang separately." If the Big East (basketball) schools had split up, where would they be scattered?
The problem with breaking up the Big 12 is that someone's holding the bag at the end.
OSU and Texas Tech probably find a home.
Baylor and TCU, maybe.
WVU, only if the ACC takes pity.
Iowa State, only if the Big Ten has a heart.
The Kansas schools? Who knows.
I would that Kansas has enough value of a basketball property that they will find a home in either the B1G/Pac-12/ACC. The rest of the schools could be in trouble.
RE: Texas and Oklahoma not part of the Big XII Conference Call this evening Per Thamel - 10thMountain - 07-22-2021 06:17 PM
This is the call where they all agree to swallow their pride, accept reality and agree to counteroffer UT and OU with unequal revenue sharing that guarantees they will make SEC level money while they get to continue beating up on the Kansas and Texas Techs of the world and acting like they’re Gods gift to college football for doing so.
RE: Texas and Oklahoma not part of the Big XII Conference Call this evening Per Thamel - quo vadis - 07-22-2021 06:21 PM
(07-22-2021 04:59 PM)Maize Wrote: Here is the link:
https://twitter.com/petethamel/status/1418329283680944132?s=21
Well, that makes sense, as the call is obviously about them.
RE: Texas and Oklahoma not part of the Big XII Conference Call this evening Per Thamel - quo vadis - 07-22-2021 06:22 PM
(07-22-2021 05:03 PM)Kit-Cat Wrote: XII could still raid the PAC for leftovers once the B1G is done picking through it.
How on earth is a rump Big 12 going to "raid" the PAC? They will be fortunate to be able to raid the AAC or MW.
I'm not getting this.
RE: Texas and Oklahoma not part of the Big XII Conference Call this evening Per Thamel - quo vadis - 07-22-2021 06:23 PM
(07-22-2021 06:17 PM)10thMountain Wrote: This is the call where they all agree to swallow their pride, accept reality and agree to counteroffer UT and OU with unequal revenue sharing that guarantees they will make SEC level money while they get to continue beating up on the Kansas and Texas Techs of the world and acting like they’re Gods gift to college football for doing so.
Yes, they will guarantee TX and OU basically anything to try and keep them on board.
But I do no think it will work.
RE: Texas and Oklahoma not part of the Big XII Conference Call this evening Per Thamel - quo vadis - 07-22-2021 06:24 PM
(07-22-2021 05:33 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:(07-22-2021 05:14 PM)JHS55 Wrote: they better talk about getting nebraska back as the flagship of the b12, they can offer the exit fee money left by the two who left
I think people are underrating stability here as a conference realignment goal. More short-term money (which I don't think would even occur - the Big Ten is CLEARLY providing more money to Nebraska) is irrelevant without long term stability. Heck, that's a big reason why UT and OU are considering the SEC in the first place.
I don't know why this seems to be so hard for a lot of people to understand, but being an equal member in an organization where you can cash massive checks whether you're 12-0 or 0-12 without any risk is basically a university president's dream compared to being a "flagship" of a conference. All this talk about whether it's easier to make a playoff, whether you have more influence compared to Ohio State/Alabama/whichever other conference member, whether they're going lose 5 or 6 game per year now... that's all IRRELEVANT for conference realignment. We have seen that over and over and over and over again. Anything based on "performance bonuses" or variable payments that aren't guaranteed are basically worthless to university leaders. They want zero risk massive revenue that's guaranteed whether they win or lose. Leagues like the SEC and Big Ten provide that in spades. The ones that don't are the ones that are in danger and it makes no sense why anyone would ever leave either the SEC or Big Ten in this environment.
Yes, plus Nebraska has just sat through many years of that probationary period of getting less than a full share of B1G money and NOW that they are just starting to cash those epic full checks they are going to leave rejoin the Big 12?
That's almost surreal.
RE: Texas and Oklahoma not part of the Big XII Conference Call this evening Per Thamel - mvcfan76 - 07-22-2021 06:25 PM
(07-22-2021 05:14 PM)JHS55 Wrote: they better talk about getting nebraska back as the flagship of the b12, they can offer the exit fee money left by the two who left
You realize this news only reconfirmed to the huskers that they did the right thing. Trust me nebby has never been more happy with the move than this exact moment in time