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Big East catch-all topics - bill dazzle - 07-18-2021 05:49 PM
In an effort to not have the Bill Dazzle handle excessively visible on the Big East Conference Talk home page (thus potentially dissuading folks from posting on this board) ...
... I've created this thread to respond to previous posts in various threads.
My thinking, in short, is that the greater variety of posters (and their handles) that are seen on this home page, the more (in theory) we entice others to post.
From kmdhoya:
Below are the records of the Big East vs the P5 Football conferences since the 2013-2014 season
1) Villanova (30-11)
2) Creighton (23-13)
3) Seton Hall (22-14)
4) Xavier (26-17)
5) Butler (23-16)
6) St Johns (14-13)
7) Marquette (17-18)
8) Providence (16-19)
9) Georgetown (12-17)
10) Depaul (9-18)
Total: 192-156
This looks strong overall. I'm not pleased to see GU and DePaul at the bottom, but I'm not surprised.
Creighton did better during this time span than I perhaps would have expected.
I would be curious to know how many of the 192 wins were notched vs. teams that (that particular season) went on to have winning records.
RE: Big East catch-all topic - GoldenWarrior11 - 07-19-2021 02:33 PM
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Marquette non-conference schedule released today. Illinois and UCLA are both projected top-10 (if not top-5) teams.
RE: Big East catch-all topic - bill dazzle - 07-20-2021 08:01 AM
(07-19-2021 02:33 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:
Marquette non-conference schedule released today. Illinois and UCLA are both projected top-10 (if not top-5) teams.
This looks very respectable. Will not be easy. Seems I read recently MU lost all five starters. Is that true?
RE: Big East catch-all topic - bill dazzle - 07-20-2021 08:05 AM
Some interesting stats.
https://www.three-man-weave.com/3mw/college-basketball-budgets-2020
From the writer:
Butler (38.2% below Big East median, 42.1% below average)
Another shocker: discovering that Butler, with its $5.8M budget in a Big East that averages nearly $10M, is at the biggest relative disadvantage, monetarily, in the entire Power 6. DePaul, the second-stingiest Big East program, spent an extra $1M compared to the frugal Bulldogs in 2018-19.
The only lower Power 6 budget belongs to Washington State, where Kyle Smith is attempting to work magic with just $5.5M of expenditures; that’s less than St. Joseph’s, St. Louis, UNLV, and Duquesne (among others), and just $0.2M more than Grand Canyon. Cal and Oregon State also help pull down the Pac 12’s average to the lowest of the Power 6, which also prevents Wazzu from being a bigger outlier than Butler.
RE: Big East catch-all topic - GoldenWarrior11 - 07-22-2021 10:23 PM
(07-20-2021 08:01 AM)bill dazzle Wrote:(07-19-2021 02:33 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:
Marquette non-conference schedule released today. Illinois and UCLA are both projected top-10 (if not top-5) teams.
This looks very respectable. Will not be easy. Seems I read recently MU lost all five starters. Is that true?
Only returmers are Elliott, Lewis and Oso. Lewis will be starter and Elliott is a likely starter. Nevertheless, there is a lot of turnover, which isn't a bad thing considering the dull end of the Wojo era.
RE: Big East catch-all topic - bill dazzle - 07-23-2021 04:37 PM
(07-22-2021 10:23 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:(07-20-2021 08:01 AM)bill dazzle Wrote:(07-19-2021 02:33 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:
Marquette non-conference schedule released today. Illinois and UCLA are both projected top-10 (if not top-5) teams.
This looks very respectable. Will not be easy. Seems I read recently MU lost all five starters. Is that true?
Only returmers are Elliott, Lewis and Oso. Lewis will be starter and Elliott is a likely starter. Nevertheless, there is a lot of turnover, which isn't a bad thing considering the dull end of the Wojo era.
A rebuilding year, no doubt. But maybe a fresh start will be a positive thing. One step back to get two steps ahead.
As noted, I feel the hiring of Smart is strong.
RE: Big East catch-all topics - bill dazzle - 07-28-2021 10:34 PM
A response to gosports1's post in the thread titled "Refreshing Change," ...
... football and massive universities with lots of money and unrealistic fans are the problem with the Big 12 (and the other P5 leagues) — and the main reason the Big East is relatively safe and stable. The BE has a strong sense of self, is united and does not have to worry about football.
As to gosports1's question regarding a breakaway scenario (and that separation could happen) ... we have now seen with this SEC move what, for example, Texas and Alabama think about Kansas and Baylor. And that is, not very highly. Could the Big East consider adding, for example, West Virginia and Kansas (with the football programs of those two going indy, ala UConn)? Maybe. But I struggle to see that. And such additions, were they to happen, would run counter to the BE narrative of having like-minded universities with similar missions and goals. UConn (as a large public school not located in an urban environment and with DI football) is the one, and understandable, exception to that rule.
Now if the ACC splintered and BC, Syracuse, Pitt and Notre Dame wanted BE membership (while being indy in football), perhaps that changes the narrative. But that almost would feel like a "return to the scene of the crime" situation.
As a Memphis fan, I use to think that the big boys of college sports looked down overwhelmingly, if not exclusively, on Memphis-type athletic programs. I was wrong. The power players (i.e., those programs that are strong in everything: football, hoops, money, hundreds of thousands of fans, academics, etc.) basically scoff at everybody other than their fellow big boys. Kansas fans (and those fans of the other eight Big 12 programs) now know this. Some are likely stunned, thinking "How could we not be desired for membership by the other power leagues?" And as a Vanderbilt fan, I know this feeling well. VU is simply lucky to be in the SEC. If we were a member of the Big 12, we'd be stuck with Baylor and TCU.
The future of college hoops (just like the future of college sports in general) is uncertain. The NCAA Tournament generates a lot of money and "engages" millions of Americans. I hope it stays open (in theory) to all DI programs. That broad inclusiveness is part of the reason it's special.
If there is a breakaway, I feel the Big East (likely every program in the conference) and multiple programs from other non-P5 leagues will be part of the mix. But with this most recent situation, you never know.
RE: Big East catch-all topic - bill dazzle - 08-07-2021 06:56 AM
My latest response to the thoughts from GoldenWarrior11 and gosports1 in the thread titled "Refreshing Change," ...
On the hybrid theme and with a hypothetical scenario in which lots of DI college athletics programs are scrambling for a home...
We could see a football-only league (or leagues) such as the Missouri Valley Football Conference. So, let's say there is a Big East Football Conference that operates independently of the Big East. Or any football-only league, for that matter. That arrangement might allow the current 11 schools in the Big East to feel more comfortable adding, say, Syracuse and/or Kansas.
RE: Big East catch-all topics - bill dazzle - 08-30-2021 11:54 AM
Responding to VCE:
I did not count the GU law school building since it is located off campus. The counts are for campus buildings only.
Glad you continue to enjoy!
RE: Big East catch-all topics - bill dazzle - 09-03-2021 08:17 AM
Responding to VCE:
What’s your favorite non men’s bball Big East sport?
I check the scores for Big East baseball and for BE women's hoops. DePaul has a rather strong women's basketball program.