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Would ESPN dare schedule CFP games the weekend of Army/Navy? - Fighting Muskie - 05-12-2021 08:12 PM
The Army/Navy game typically enjoys the 2nd Saturday in December all by themselves.
If the CFP expands, does that weekend become the opening round of the playoffs?
What’s CBS, Army, and Navy to do? Do they stay on that weekend and compete with ESPN’s 4 (?) playoff games that weekend? Or would CCG weekend be better? Maybe they go to week 0?
RE: Would ESPN dare schedule CFP games the weekend of Army/Navy? - IWokeUpLikeThis - 05-12-2021 08:22 PM
The question isn’t “Would ESPN dare schedule CFP games the weekend of Army/Navy?”
ESPN isn’t making CFP decisions off a CBS property.
The question is “Which weekend does Army/Navy get relocated to?”
RE: Would ESPN dare schedule CFP games the weekend of Army/Navy? - CarlSmithCenter - 05-12-2021 08:37 PM
(05-12-2021 08:22 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote: The question isn’t “Would ESPN dare schedule CFP games the weekend of Army/Navy?”
ESPN isn’t making CFP decisions off a CBS property.
The question is “Which weekend does Army/Navy get relocated to?”
Move it up a day and play it on a Friday night as an appetizer for four games on ESPN/ABC on Saturday. Better yet, have ESPN buy the rights from CBS, which seems fine with divesting itself of CFB programming (SEC), and put in on ABC on Friday night: it will still be on network TV and then ESPN’s commentators can use the game as a three hour window to hype the four playoff games (halftime “Playoff Preview” show with Reese Davis etc.)
RE: Would ESPN dare schedule CFP games the weekend of Army/Navy? - Nittany_Bearcat - 05-12-2021 08:38 PM
Army/Navy does not have any right to "a weekend all to themselves." Any such notion is, frankly, absurd.
Frankly, IMO the NCAA shouldn't let them play the weekend after Championship Week as is. Why do they deserve a special weekend? There have been a few instances where Bowl Games have been waiting on the result of Army/Navy. Other schools shouldn't be having to wait on them. Army & Navy are no more special than the UL-Lafayette's and Cincinnati's and Oregon State's of the CFB world.
RE: Would ESPN dare schedule CFP games the weekend of Army/Navy? - 46566 - 05-13-2021 12:30 AM
(05-12-2021 08:38 PM)Nittany_Bearcat Wrote: Army/Navy does not have any right to "a weekend all to themselves." Any such notion is, frankly, absurd.
Frankly, IMO the NCAA shouldn't let them play the weekend after Championship Week as is. Why do they deserve a special weekend? There have been a few instances where Bowl Games have been waiting on the result of Army/Navy. Other schools shouldn't be having to wait on them. Army & Navy are no more special than the UL-Lafayette's and Cincinnati's and Oregon State's of the CFB world.
Air Force make things work in the regular season. If they want to keep it as a week after have the NCAA simply count the game as a exhibition and not count for W-L record. Didn't NCAA do something similar in basketball a year or so ago? With no regular season games after conference tournaments. The easiest thing might be for Navy to leave the AAC and move it to the championship week. AAC can stay at 10 and 11 with Wichita State.
RE: Would ESPN dare schedule CFP games the weekend of Army/Navy? - Stugray2 - 05-13-2021 02:49 AM
The academies are not ever in contention for a Playoff spot. That is never going to change.
Who cares? Nobody is going to eliminate a playoff game because two schools want to play in mid-December. That is their problem. That they are CBS property makes it even more irrelevant.
I assume this is about the proposed Play-in game for the top two non-Autonomous (P5) schools.
RE: Would ESPN dare schedule CFP games the weekend of Army/Navy? - The Cutter of Bish - 05-13-2021 05:57 AM
(05-13-2021 02:49 AM)Stugray2 Wrote: The academies are not ever in contention for a Playoff spot. That is never going to change.
I don’t know. Navy has done well enough in the AAC over the years. I get the impression they are of a few of the “tallest midgets” with respect to G5/non-majors. BYU and Navy would be my guess as the best ones to test/crash the system. I don’t disagree that most years, this will not be an issue. Still, they’re a top AAC football team who make things interesting from time to time.
RE: Would ESPN dare schedule CFP games the weekend of Army/Navy? - esayem - 05-13-2021 07:04 AM
The day unto themselves is relatively new. That game should be before conference championships.
RE: Would ESPN dare schedule CFP games the weekend of Army/Navy? - goofus - 05-13-2021 07:29 AM
If the CFP expands to 12 teams, the Army/Navy weekend is the logical weekend to play the 1st round games. Then make the 2nd round 4 bowl games on NYD or close to NYD.
This way the 4 teams with a bye don't get a big advantage because the 2nd round games would be 3 weeks after the 1st round games.
RE: Would ESPN dare schedule CFP games the weekend of Army/Navy? - Fighting Muskie - 05-13-2021 07:29 AM
ESPN really has no motivation to help out CBS by giving them that weekend to theirselves. If they do move in that creates all sorts of trouble for CBS, Army, and Navy.
Would Navy pass on a playoff spot to leave the schedule as is or would they change the date?
RE: Would ESPN dare schedule CFP games the weekend of Army/Navy? - TeleCoog - 05-13-2021 07:36 AM
(05-13-2021 07:04 AM)esayem Wrote: The day unto themselves is relatively new. That game should be before conference championships.
Exactly. Move Army/Navy back to its tradition on Thanksgiving weekend.
RE: Would ESPN dare schedule CFP games the weekend of Army/Navy? - IWokeUpLikeThis - 05-13-2021 07:42 AM
(05-13-2021 02:49 AM)Stugray2 Wrote: The academies are not ever in contention for a Playoff spot. That is never going to change.
Untrue. Navy has been in contention for the G5 spot 3 times in mid-November since 2015.
RE: Would ESPN dare schedule CFP games the weekend of Army/Navy? - Frank the Tank - 05-13-2021 07:56 AM
(05-13-2021 05:57 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:(05-13-2021 02:49 AM)Stugray2 Wrote: The academies are not ever in contention for a Playoff spot. That is never going to change.
I don’t know. Navy has done well enough in the AAC over the years. I get the impression they are of a few of the “tallest midgets” with respect to G5/non-majors. BYU and Navy would be my guess as the best ones to test/crash the system. I don’t disagree that most years, this will not be an issue. Still, they’re a top AAC football team who make things interesting from time to time.
Agreed. Navy has generally been quite competitive in the CFP era.
More importantly, judging from the Navy AD comments over the years, they actually seem quite committed (and not just giving lip service) to competing for the top tier bowls and, by extension, the playoff. They’ve also been quite vocal about ensuring the NY6 bowl spot for the G5.
As a result, I think Navy would seek to move the date of the Army-Navy Game itself if it ends up conflicting with a playoff. I legitimately don’t believe that they’d continue to schedule it in a way that would automatically exclude them the playoff. Army might be a bit more indifferent, but Navy has a legit shot of making the playoff if they’re the AAC champ and they’re not just going to unilaterally give that up.
RE: Would ESPN dare schedule CFP games the weekend of Army/Navy? - Frank the Tank - 05-13-2021 07:58 AM
(05-13-2021 07:04 AM)esayem Wrote: The day unto themselves is relatively new. That game should be before conference championships.
Right - this hasn’t exactly been a long-standing tradition. I’m sure they’d still like a date to themselves, but when push comes to shove, Navy in particular isn’t going to just automatically give up a playoff spot (especially if there’s a G5 champ slot).
RE: Would ESPN dare schedule CFP games the weekend of Army/Navy? - slhNavy91 - 05-13-2021 09:58 AM
Much ado about nothing.
Keeping semifinals in NY6 bowls and CFP finals a week later...
That puts a quarterfinal round around Christmas - could use bowl structure or home sites. And even a 12- or 16- team playoff can do first round on the third Saturday of December.
Navy will be good playing three straight from AAC CCG to Army-Navy to a playoff first round while our opponent gets to rest up.
Funny how jealous y'all are.
You know why America's Game has been on the second Saturday for the last decade plus? Because CBS thought it was worth it.
RE: Would ESPN dare schedule CFP games the weekend of Army/Navy? - Frank the Tank - 05-13-2021 10:02 AM
(05-13-2021 09:58 AM)slhNavy91 Wrote: Much ado about nothing.
Keeping semifinals in NY6 bowls and CFP finals a week later...
That puts a quarterfinal round around Christmas - could use bowl structure or home sites. And even a 12- or 16- team playoff can do first round on the third Saturday of December.
Navy will be good playing three straight from AAC CCG to Army-Navy to a playoff first round while our opponent gets to rest up.
Funny how jealous y'all are.
You know why America's Game has been on the second Saturday for the last decade plus? Because CBS thought it was worth it.
Eh - I don't think it's much ado about nothing if they expand it to a 12-team playoff. In that scenario, I think the week after the conference championship games pretty much has to be a playoff weekend. There might be a little more flexibility with an 8-team playoff.
RE: Would ESPN dare schedule CFP games the weekend of Army/Navy? - IWokeUpLikeThis - 05-13-2021 10:16 AM
(05-13-2021 10:08 AM)slhNavy91 Wrote:(05-13-2021 10:02 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:(05-13-2021 09:58 AM)slhNavy91 Wrote: Much ado about nothing.
Keeping semifinals in NY6 bowls and CFP finals a week later...
That puts a quarterfinal round around Christmas - could use bowl structure or home sites. And even a 12- or 16- team playoff can do first round on the third Saturday of December.
Navy will be good playing three straight from AAC CCG to Army-Navy to a playoff first round while our opponent gets to rest up.
Funny how jealous y'all are.
You know why America's Game has been on the second Saturday for the last decade plus? Because CBS thought it was worth it.
Eh - I don't think it's much ado about nothing if they expand it to a 12-team playoff. In that scenario, I think the week after the conference championship games pretty much has to be a playoff weekend. There might be a little more flexibility with an 8-team playoff.
New to this reading thing, Frank?
There aren’t always enough Saturdays to do what you’re proposing.
Take December 2024.
Dec 7 - CCG
Dec 14 - Army/Navy
Dec 21 - 1st Round
Dec 28 - QF
NYD - SF
^ This can’t work.
They have to put the 1st Round the week after CCG.
RE: Would ESPN dare schedule CFP games the weekend of Army/Navy? - slhNavy91 - 05-13-2021 10:20 AM
(05-13-2021 10:16 AM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:Right, because they would never move the NY6 semifinals off of 1 January - to Friday night the 3rd or Saturday the 4th in this case. (Sarcasm for those readers who might not have caught it - they don't actually care about New Years Day.) Just juggle the rotation so the Rose Bowl can keep their timeslot.(05-13-2021 10:08 AM)slhNavy91 Wrote:(05-13-2021 10:02 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:(05-13-2021 09:58 AM)slhNavy91 Wrote: Much ado about nothing.
Keeping semifinals in NY6 bowls and CFP finals a week later...
That puts a quarterfinal round around Christmas - could use bowl structure or home sites. And even a 12- or 16- team playoff can do first round on the third Saturday of December.
Navy will be good playing three straight from AAC CCG to Army-Navy to a playoff first round while our opponent gets to rest up.
Funny how jealous y'all are.
You know why America's Game has been on the second Saturday for the last decade plus? Because CBS thought it was worth it.
Eh - I don't think it's much ado about nothing if they expand it to a 12-team playoff. In that scenario, I think the week after the conference championship games pretty much has to be a playoff weekend. There might be a little more flexibility with an 8-team playoff.
There aren’t always enough Saturdays to do what you’re proposing.
Take December 2024.
Dec 7 - CCG
Dec 14 - Army/Navy
Dec 21 - 1st Round
Dec 28 - QF
NYD - SF
^ This can’t work.
They have to put the 1st Round the week after CCG.
For a calendar setup that will occur once or twice in a 10+ year contract.
Current Army-Navy contract goes beyond the CFP contract, so whatever happens, happens.
RE: Would ESPN dare schedule CFP games the weekend of Army/Navy? - ken d - 05-13-2021 10:41 AM
(05-13-2021 09:58 AM)slhNavy91 Wrote: Much ado about nothing.
Keeping semifinals in NY6 bowls and CFP finals a week later...
That puts a quarterfinal round around Christmas - could use bowl structure or home sites. And even a 12- or 16- team playoff can do first round on the third Saturday of December.
Navy will be good playing three straight from AAC CCG to Army-Navy to a playoff first round while our opponent gets to rest up.
Funny how jealous y'all are.
You know why America's Game has been on the second Saturday for the last decade plus? Because CBS thought it was worth it.
Jealous? Seriously?
The Army-Navy game was moved to the second Saturday in December recently for one reason only. It was available, and somebody would pay for it. IIRC, nobody promised that date would always be exclusively available to CBS.
From Navy's point of view, it was the only way they could compete for their conference championship and still end their season with this traditional game. But that's no reason to inconvenience the other 128 FBS schools.
A solution would be for Navy to move the Army game back to Thanksgiving. They could be exclusive right now if they played it on Thanksgiving Day, since no other FBS game is scheduled then. As long as both schools are willing to accept bowl invitations, it's not like the game would be the season ending game for them.
RE: Would ESPN dare schedule CFP games the weekend of Army/Navy? - panite - 05-13-2021 10:43 AM
(05-12-2021 08:12 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote: The Army/Navy game typically enjoys the 2nd Saturday in December all by themselves.
If the CFP expands, does that weekend become the opening round of the playoffs?
What’s CBS, Army, and Navy to do? Do they stay on that weekend and compete with ESPN’s 4 (?) playoff games that weekend? Or would CCG weekend be better? Maybe they go to week 0?
The game can always be moved back to the last weekend of the season on rivalry weekend if need be.
