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RE: 2021/2 EMU MBB Roster - Jerry Weaver - 05-26-2021 05:50 PM

(05-26-2021 04:34 PM)Luckeyone Wrote:  There’s only one player that I wanted back from last season’s roster but he’s gone off to Butler. I hope Ty made a good decision but I’m not convinced just yet. He would have really benefited from coach Heath’s system:

Eastern Michigan transfer Ty Groce told @Stockrisers that he’s heard from Georgetown, Marquette, Clemson, Butler, UNLV, Wichita State, Duquesne, Northeastern, Hofstra, Santa Clara, Utah, others.

6’8 prospect averaged 15.2 points, 6.9 rebounds, and 1.0 blocks per game

I still say he had more upside than any Murphy recruit and I would have loved to have him play a season under Coach Heath. Oh well.

We are now in a different situation. Murph is a great talent evaluator, think Riley, Lee, Mangum, JT4, Toney, Bond and especially Toure. All were very good players, but I think Boubocar is the only one who made great improvements while at EMU. Rob found them and got them here, unfortunately he had a unwavering basketball strategy that did not exploit all of their talents.

We now have a coach that will tailor his approach to our roster and most likely concentrate on actually scoring the ball. A Tariq Silver or Miles Gibson will certainly benefit from this. I'm just hoping that EMU basketball will as well.


RE: 2021/2 EMU MBB Roster - RamyEMU - 05-29-2021 08:36 AM

From the recruits thread, 6-10 Mo Njie has a verbal commit (Thanks Steve for breaking).
https://verbalcommits.com/players/mo-njie

If this holds true, that puts EMU at 13 scholarships- the traditional limit. I am updating my depth chart below. Both Binelli (Texas Tech) and Nie (Kansas St according to ‘79) had competing offers from P5 schools. I am wondering if they were lured to/back to EMU with “suggestions” of starting- total speculation on my part...


RE: 2021/2 EMU MBB Roster - RamyEMU - 05-29-2021 08:37 AM

...Without further ado, my final depth chart. Curious to what everyone else is thinking?

PG 6-2 McBride / 6-3 Spottsville / 6-3 Clements (RS)
SG 6-4 Scott / 6-4 Savicevic
SF 6-6 Golson / 6-4 Rice
PF 6-10 Binelli / 6-8 Jihad
C 6-10 Nie / 6-8 Ballard / 7-0 Okongo / 6-10 Randle (RS)


RE: 2021/2 EMU MBB Roster - EagleSam - 05-29-2021 08:50 AM

Hard to disagree. I’d prefer McBride off the ball, so either Luka starts at point for me, or Spottsville does if Luka isn’t quite ready. I also like a little bit of small ball since our guards are big and the forwards are athletic. My starting lineup would tentatively be:

Luka/Spottsville
McBride
Scott
Golson/Binelli
Okongo/Njie/Randle

Everything is a crapshoot at this point. I’m liking what we are assembling in the front court though. Lots of size and options, plus the depth allows the younger guys to develop. Great job by Coach Heath so far.


RE: 2021/2 EMU MBB Roster - emu79 - 05-29-2021 09:12 AM

(05-29-2021 08:50 AM)EagleSam Wrote:  Hard to disagree. I’d prefer McBride off the ball, so either Luka starts at point for me, or Spottsville does if Luka isn’t quite ready. I also like a little bit of small ball since our guards are big and the forwards are athletic. My starting lineup would tentatively be:

Luka/Spottsville
McBride
Scott
Golson/Binelli
Okongo/Njie/Randle

Everything is a crapshoot at this point. I’m liking what we are assembling in the front court though. Lots of size and options, plus the depth allows the younger guys to develop. Great job by Coach Heath so far.

So where's does Rice fit in? I like the young guys in this class Luka, Njie and Randle these are the players I call foundation players. No I'm not sure they will help us turnaround the program completely next season but certainly the following three seasons as they improve with experience and add some physical strength. And its nice to recruit some local Michigan players for once. I really am looking forward to seeing what Coach Heath and staff can bring in the 2022 class. Different MAC teams are taking different routes recruiting wise.


RE: 2021/2 EMU MBB Roster - Luckeyone - 05-29-2021 10:34 AM

(05-29-2021 08:50 AM)EagleSam Wrote:  Hard to disagree. I’d prefer McBride off the ball, so either Luka starts at point for me, or Spottsville does if Luka isn’t quite ready. I also like a little bit of small ball since our guards are big and the forwards are athletic. My starting lineup would tentatively be:

Luka/Spottsville
McBride
Scott
Golson/Binelli
Okongo/Njie/Randle

Everything is a crapshoot at this point. I’m liking what we are assembling in the front court though. Lots of size and options, plus the depth allows the younger guys to develop. Great job by Coach Heath so far.

I’ve been watching some of the highlight videos and I’ll join in on the way too early prediction on a starting lineup. First off, we are loaded with depth and pieces that are interchangeable.

1st Team
PG Luka
SG Scott
SG McBride
SF Golson
C Njie

2nd Team
G Spottsville/Clements
SG/SF Binelli/Rice (edit)
SF/C Randle
C Okongo

Lukas highlights are impressive because he shoots jump shots over defenders and also does the step back to create space. At 6’3”-6’4” he has the size but I still need to see if he has the quicks and the strength for the MAC. I believe Stan sees Luka as the former great KSU guard - Huffman. He could be a candidate for MAC freshman of the year with his deep range.

Scott-All MAC potential and should average 17-20 in uptempo structured offense

McBride - can he be consistent? There may be some games he leads the team in scoring and other games he may need to be a delegate. Needs to improve his strength.

Golson-nice size and strength. Should average 10-14 ppg. Does he have midrange game? Will play center most likely on some occasions when we play small ball.

NJie - nice player but in his film I didn’t see him play with passion and nastiness. Kind of reminds me of Tim Duncan style. He could be the MAN in two seasons. His great size and strength should propel him to immediate starter. Even as a freshman, should average 6-10 ppg and 7 rebounds.

Randle- love his energy and athleticism. Definitely a sub who will garner a lot of minutes . Avg 4-6 ppg, 3-5 rebounds, lead team in shot blocks.

Spottsville- love his strength, size, motor and tenacity. He doesn’t give up!! Sam could be right that he starts because of his defensive skill set and experience. If Heath can improve his FT and outside shooting, he could be the most improved from last season. Will he play with confidence???

Binelli-beaming with potential!! He’s a bit unknown because of covid19 season, injury, Murphy system etc. However he’s an unbelievable pure shooter. If the game is close, I don’t see him on the bench. If Heath runs Binelli off screens, he’ll have games where he could go off for 20 points. Can he play D? He’s not big enough to play C but he should get lots of pt.

Okongo - big, and strong but not explosive. Quickness? Since he has limited eligibility I don’t see him starting but providing a rest for NJie.

Clements - I love his motor, quicks, size and strength!!! He can get to the rim but he needs to develop consistent jump shooting over defenders. His body is D1 ready....at some point he’ll be much better than Spottsville. He could be a heckuva player if he develops outside shooting.

Ok this was just for fun obviously based on highlights.

EMU is a sleeping giant in basketball as coach Heath proclaimed. One of our big advantages is being so close to AA and UofM. It is going to be interesting to see how these youngsters perform against scrimmages with UofM this summer which has a team that may win the NCAA championship next season. That’s a recruiting tool that helps us by telling our players you’ll be going up against a national contender during the summer.

I hope Juwan will give us a 1 for 2 but probably not. Maybe Izzo will because of relationship with Stan.

I do predict the convo is going to be rocking this season!!! Ohio should come in ranked, rival Toled should get preseason accolades, Buffalo, BSU, BG should be really tough.

Let’s fix the schedule and get the convo rocking!!!


RE: 2021/2 EMU MBB Roster - RamyEMU - 05-29-2021 11:32 AM

That is an interesting point about scrimmaging the U-M team. I recall when EMU beat UM way back in 1998, that someone on the radio was saying the two teams players knew each other well from scrimmaging against each other. Not sure if that was a regular or ongoing thing? Or just that season/era (ie, back when EMU used to be good, and would have been a mutually beneficial excercise).


RE: 2021/2 EMU MBB Roster - emu steve - 05-29-2021 12:39 PM

(05-29-2021 10:34 AM)Luckeyone Wrote:  
(05-29-2021 08:50 AM)EagleSam Wrote:  Hard to disagree. I’d prefer McBride off the ball, so either Luka starts at point for me, or Spottsville does if Luka isn’t quite ready. I also like a little bit of small ball since our guards are big and the forwards are athletic. My starting lineup would tentatively be:

Luka/Spottsville
McBride
Scott
Golson/Binelli
Okongo/Njie/Randle

Everything is a crapshoot at this point. I’m liking what we are assembling in the front court though. Lots of size and options, plus the depth allows the younger guys to develop. Great job by Coach Heath so far.

I’ve been watching some of the highlight videos and I’ll join in on the way too early prediction on a starting lineup. First off, we are loaded with depth and pieces that are interchangeable.

1st Team
PG Luka
SG Scott
SG McBride
SF Golson
C Njie

2nd Team
G Spottsville/Clements
SG/SF Binelli
SF/C Randle
C Okongo

Lukas highlights are impressive because he shoots jump shots over defenders and also does the step back to create space. At 6’3”-6’4” he has the size but I still need to see if he has the quicks and the strength for the MAC. I believe Stan sees Luka as the former great KSU guard - Huffman. He could be a candidate for MAC freshman of the year with his deep range.

Scott-All MAC potential and should average 17-20 in uptempo structured offense

McBride - can he be consistent? There may be some games he leads the team in scoring and other games he may need to be a delegate. Needs to improve his strength.

Golson-nice size and strength. Should average 10-14 ppg. Does he have midrange game? Will play center most likely on some occasions when we play small ball.

NJie - nice player but in his film I didn’t see him play with passion and nastiness. Kind of reminds me of Tim Duncan style. He could be the MAN in two seasons. His great size and strength should propel him to immediate starter. Even as a freshman, should average 6-10 ppg and 7 rebounds.

Randle- love his energy and athleticism. Definitely a sub who will garner a lot of minutes . Avg 4-6 ppg, 3-5 rebounds, lead team in shot blocks.

Spottsville- love his strength, size, motor and tenacity. He doesn’t give up!! Sam could be right that he starts because of his defensive skill set and experience. If Heath can improve his FT and outside shooting, he could be the most improved from last season. Will he play with confidence???

Binelli-beaming with potential!! He’s a bit unknown because of covid19 season, injury, Murphy system etc. However he’s an unbelievable pure shooter. If the game is close, I don’t see him on the bench. If Heath runs Binelli off screens, he’ll have games where he could go off for 20 points. Can he play D? He’s not big enough to play C but he should get lots of pt.

Okongo - big, and strong but not explosive. Quickness? Since he has limited eligibility I don’t see him starting but providing a rest for NJie.

Clements - I love his motor, quicks, size and strength!!! He can get to the rim but he needs to develop consistent jump shooting over defenders. His body is D1 ready....at some point he’ll be much better than Spottsville. He could be a heckuva player if he develops outside shooting.

Ok this was just for fun obviously based on highlights.

EMU is a sleeping giant in basketball as coach Heath proclaimed. One of our big advantages is being so close to AA and UofM. It is going to be interesting to see how these youngsters perform against scrimmages with UofM this summer which has a team that may win the NCAA championship next season. That’s a recruiting tool that helps us by telling our players you’ll be going up against a national contender during the summer.

I hope Juwan will give us a 1 for 2 but probably not. Maybe Izzo will because of relationship with Stan.

I do predict the convo is going to be rocking this season!!! Ohio should come in ranked, rival Toled should get preseason accolades, Buffalo, BSU, BG should be really tough.

Let’s fix the schedule and get the convo rocking!!!

You got say 75 - 100K to donate so we can 'buy' a D-I game?

As we've said many said (re-phrased), "Money talks, and non-D-I games walk..."

We'll see if say Izzo will CHARITABLY do a 1 for 2 game with Stan. Normally schools don't like to give away say 250K or more by playing a game for friendship. 250K is an estimate of what MSU could net playing a no-name D-I opponent.


RE: 2021/2 EMU MBB Roster - Miggy - 05-29-2021 02:46 PM

Here’s my updated rotational depth chart:

Spottsville to start at PG for now. See EMU signing another PG. Scott and Luka S are backups.

McBride starts at one wing.

Scott starts at the other wing. Triple threat player. As he’s proficient shooting on catch and shoot, shooting jumpers off his dribble or getting to the hoop. No selfishness in his game. McBride and Rice as back-up.

PF is a tough one. Golson starts. Binelli, back-up. 3-point specialist. Although he shot 31 percent on three’s, his 3-point shooting percentage will be much higher if he avoids shooting 1-9 on three’s when he off. Like he can stretch the floor. EMU still needs another SF-PF scorer and defender. Ballard, and Jihad, competing with Randle as back-up PF.

Njie starts at Center. Is a force to be reckoned with. Tough defender, shot-blocker, rebounder, and dunker. Can see him averaging 12 plus points. Plays very smartly. Always telling defensive players in front of him where to go. Randle is my back-up, along with Okongo. Ballard, and Jihad, competing for playing time.

Appears EMU has two available scholarships openings. Hope Heath fills the openings with a SF and PF, or Center. Front-court still needs to be upgraded. Needs a scoring PF who can also defend.


RE: 2021/2 EMU MBB Roster - Luckeyone - 05-29-2021 04:18 PM

(05-29-2021 12:39 PM)emu steve Wrote:  
(05-29-2021 10:34 AM)Luckeyone Wrote:  
(05-29-2021 08:50 AM)EagleSam Wrote:  Hard to disagree. I’d prefer McBride off the ball, so either Luka starts at point for me, or Spottsville does if Luka isn’t quite ready. I also like a little bit of small ball since our guards are big and the forwards are athletic. My starting lineup would tentatively be:

Luka/Spottsville
McBride
Scott
Golson/Binelli
Okongo/Njie/Randle

Everything is a crapshoot at this point. I’m liking what we are assembling in the front court though. Lots of size and options, plus the depth allows the younger guys to develop. Great job by Coach Heath so far.

I’ve been watching some of the highlight videos and I’ll join in on the way too early prediction on a starting lineup. First off, we are loaded with depth and pieces that are interchangeable.

1st Team
PG Luka
SG Scott
SG McBride
SF Golson
C Njie

2nd Team
G Spottsville/Clements
SG/SF Binelli
SF/C Randle
C Okongo

Lukas highlights are impressive because he shoots jump shots over defenders and also does the step back to create space. At 6’3”-6’4” he has the size but I still need to see if he has the quicks and the strength for the MAC. I believe Stan sees Luka as the former great KSU guard - Huffman. He could be a candidate for MAC freshman of the year with his deep range.

Scott-All MAC potential and should average 17-20 in uptempo structured offense

McBride - can he be consistent? There may be some games he leads the team in scoring and other games he may need to be a delegate. Needs to improve his strength.

Golson-nice size and strength. Should average 10-14 ppg. Does he have midrange game? Will play center most likely on some occasions when we play small ball.

NJie - nice player but in his film I didn’t see him play with passion and nastiness. Kind of reminds me of Tim Duncan style. He could be the MAN in two seasons. His great size and strength should propel him to immediate starter. Even as a freshman, should average 6-10 ppg and 7 rebounds.

Randle- love his energy and athleticism. Definitely a sub who will garner a lot of minutes . Avg 4-6 ppg, 3-5 rebounds, lead team in shot blocks.

Spottsville- love his strength, size, motor and tenacity. He doesn’t give up!! Sam could be right that he starts because of his defensive skill set and experience. If Heath can improve his FT and outside shooting, he could be the most improved from last season. Will he play with confidence???

Binelli-beaming with potential!! He’s a bit unknown because of covid19 season, injury, Murphy system etc. However he’s an unbelievable pure shooter. If the game is close, I don’t see him on the bench. If Heath runs Binelli off screens, he’ll have games where he could go off for 20 points. Can he play D? He’s not big enough to play C but he should get lots of pt.

Okongo - big, and strong but not explosive. Quickness? Since he has limited eligibility I don’t see him starting but providing a rest for NJie.

Clements - I love his motor, quicks, size and strength!!! He can get to the rim but he needs to develop consistent jump shooting over defenders. His body is D1 ready....at some point he’ll be much better than Spottsville. He could be a heckuva player if he develops outside shooting.

Ok this was just for fun obviously based on highlights.

EMU is a sleeping giant in basketball as coach Heath proclaimed. One of our big advantages is being so close to AA and UofM. It is going to be interesting to see how these youngsters perform against scrimmages with UofM this summer which has a team that may win the NCAA championship next season. That’s a recruiting tool that helps us by telling our players you’ll be going up against a national contender during the summer.

I hope Juwan will give us a 1 for 2 but probably not. Maybe Izzo will because of relationship with Stan.

I do predict the convo is going to be rocking this season!!! Ohio should come in ranked, rival Toled should get preseason accolades, Buffalo, BSU, BG should be really tough.

Let’s fix the schedule and get the convo rocking!!!

You got say 75 - 100K to donate so we can 'buy' a D-I game?

As we've said many said (re-phrased), "Money talks, and non-D-I games walk..."

We'll see if say Izzo will CHARITABLY do a 1 for 2 game with Stan. Normally schools don't like to give away say 250K or more by playing a game for friendship. 250K is an estimate of what MSU could net playing a no-name D-I opponent.

Don’t need the 75-100k....you’ve been fed a line by Murphy who padded his schedule with D3 for wins. Play the B1G away for money and then schedule home and home with Oakland, IUPUI, Cleveland St, UofD, etc

This is not rocket science. Watch Heath fix the schedule


RE: 2021/2 EMU MBB Roster - emu steve - 05-30-2021 07:24 AM

(05-29-2021 04:18 PM)Luckeyone Wrote:  
(05-29-2021 12:39 PM)emu steve Wrote:  
(05-29-2021 10:34 AM)Luckeyone Wrote:  
(05-29-2021 08:50 AM)EagleSam Wrote:  Hard to disagree. I’d prefer McBride off the ball, so either Luka starts at point for me, or Spottsville does if Luka isn’t quite ready. I also like a little bit of small ball since our guards are big and the forwards are athletic. My starting lineup would tentatively be:

Luka/Spottsville
McBride
Scott
Golson/Binelli
Okongo/Njie/Randle

Everything is a crapshoot at this point. I’m liking what we are assembling in the front court though. Lots of size and options, plus the depth allows the younger guys to develop. Great job by Coach Heath so far.

I’ve been watching some of the highlight videos and I’ll join in on the way too early prediction on a starting lineup. First off, we are loaded with depth and pieces that are interchangeable.

1st Team
PG Luka
SG Scott
SG McBride
SF Golson
C Njie

2nd Team
G Spottsville/Clements
SG/SF Binelli
SF/C Randle
C Okongo

Lukas highlights are impressive because he shoots jump shots over defenders and also does the step back to create space. At 6’3”-6’4” he has the size but I still need to see if he has the quicks and the strength for the MAC. I believe Stan sees Luka as the former great KSU guard - Huffman. He could be a candidate for MAC freshman of the year with his deep range.

Scott-All MAC potential and should average 17-20 in uptempo structured offense

McBride - can he be consistent? There may be some games he leads the team in scoring and other games he may need to be a delegate. Needs to improve his strength.

Golson-nice size and strength. Should average 10-14 ppg. Does he have midrange game? Will play center most likely on some occasions when we play small ball.

NJie - nice player but in his film I didn’t see him play with passion and nastiness. Kind of reminds me of Tim Duncan style. He could be the MAN in two seasons. His great size and strength should propel him to immediate starter. Even as a freshman, should average 6-10 ppg and 7 rebounds.

Randle- love his energy and athleticism. Definitely a sub who will garner a lot of minutes . Avg 4-6 ppg, 3-5 rebounds, lead team in shot blocks.

Spottsville- love his strength, size, motor and tenacity. He doesn’t give up!! Sam could be right that he starts because of his defensive skill set and experience. If Heath can improve his FT and outside shooting, he could be the most improved from last season. Will he play with confidence???

Binelli-beaming with potential!! He’s a bit unknown because of covid19 season, injury, Murphy system etc. However he’s an unbelievable pure shooter. If the game is close, I don’t see him on the bench. If Heath runs Binelli off screens, he’ll have games where he could go off for 20 points. Can he play D? He’s not big enough to play C but he should get lots of pt.

Okongo - big, and strong but not explosive. Quickness? Since he has limited eligibility I don’t see him starting but providing a rest for NJie.

Clements - I love his motor, quicks, size and strength!!! He can get to the rim but he needs to develop consistent jump shooting over defenders. His body is D1 ready....at some point he’ll be much better than Spottsville. He could be a heckuva player if he develops outside shooting.

Ok this was just for fun obviously based on highlights.

EMU is a sleeping giant in basketball as coach Heath proclaimed. One of our big advantages is being so close to AA and UofM. It is going to be interesting to see how these youngsters perform against scrimmages with UofM this summer which has a team that may win the NCAA championship next season. That’s a recruiting tool that helps us by telling our players you’ll be going up against a national contender during the summer.

I hope Juwan will give us a 1 for 2 but probably not. Maybe Izzo will because of relationship with Stan.

I do predict the convo is going to be rocking this season!!! Ohio should come in ranked, rival Toled should get preseason accolades, Buffalo, BSU, BG should be really tough.

Let’s fix the schedule and get the convo rocking!!!

You got say 75 - 100K to donate so we can 'buy' a D-I game?

As we've said many said (re-phrased), "Money talks, and non-D-I games walk..."

We'll see if say Izzo will CHARITABLY do a 1 for 2 game with Stan. Normally schools don't like to give away say 250K or more by playing a game for friendship. 250K is an estimate of what MSU could net playing a no-name D-I opponent.

Don’t need the 75-100k....you’ve been fed a line by Murphy who padded his schedule with D3 for wins. Play the B1G away for money and then schedule home and home with Oakland, IUPUI, Cleveland St, UofD, etc

This is not rocket science. Watch Heath fix the schedule

Actually, is this a prediction or a recitation of history?

Virtually the ONLY D-I home games we get ARE home and homes.

UC-Irvine, Northeastern, UDM, Vermont, etc.

The serious question is: Take a MEAC school. Do they WANT a home and home (which sounds nice but does very little for their financial bottom line) OR do they want to play an away game for $75K - 100k?

A home and home sounds fair, great, etc. but does NOTHING for the bottom line. How much is the gate for an EMU home MBB game? Not much.

We might go on the road and collect 100K. We play an NAIA team at home for 10K. You do the math: 100k - 10k = 90K. I believe EMU MBB shoots for a goal of net revenues from their OOC games. Just like when you balance your checkbook. Want income to exceed expenses by X dollars. I also believe these dollars are shared with WBB. Think I was told that. Might have been by Murphy. There is very little revenue in mid-major WBB so they 'can't carry their own weight' in terms of revenues.

I was told a few years ago, bemoaning the lack of financial parity in MAC MBB. EMU is far behind schools like Toledo, UB, etc. I was told this by a member of the former staff. It should be NO surprise. Look at all of the butts in seats at TOL, UB, etc. and our empty seats.

Do the matt: Say 3K paying customers at $20 per game x 15 home games. Some MAC teams might net $1M home game for the season. We a small fraction of it.

Which school TOL or EMU can afford to write a couple 100K checks?

As far as 2021/2: Will any coaches give Heath a sweet heart deal? E.g., Izzo? Maybe a 1 for 2????

What kind of shape is the MBB budget in? Don't have a clue.

I think you have a 'conspiracy theory' view of scheduling.


RE: 2021/2 EMU MBB Roster - emu79 - 05-30-2021 08:40 AM

I agree with Steve, even Murphy wasn't happy about the schedule and publicly said so which I believe may have started the rift between Heather and him.
Unless Heath is paying for better games out of his salary I don't see how Stan is going to "fix" the schedule. More attendance more interest equals better games and better things like half time entertainment. It would be wonderful is EMU fans could donate the $$$ like CMU fans did to buy out Keno but to use it to improve our program. Fixing the coaching is only one aspect of fixing the men's program. You can still have a decent schedule by using Oakland Detroit Valpo Indiana at Fort Wayne, some Chicago schools or Cleveland St where the travel costs aren't as high. EMU football ticket prices have stayed the same or declined slightly which is great. EMU sports competes in the entertainment space ie movies and other things. Frankly I prefer lower ticket prices and getting kids and families in the seats. We used to be able to go to EMU basketball games as a family of 4 for a single game for $20. My two kids loved it and one even talked about attending EMU for college especially when the room and board deal a few years ago. Let folks sample the product and trust me if the costs remain reasonable they will back for more. Yes winning helps I think my wife and I are now on season ticket season 6 for football. EMU football is exciting to watch in person and competitive. Heck back in 1978 I think Bowling Green was up by 40 points-at halftime. Stan is bringing some local players which is great and its is a start.


RE: 2021/2 EMU MBB Roster - emu steve - 05-30-2021 09:07 AM

(05-30-2021 08:40 AM)emu79 Wrote:  I agree with Steve, even Murphy wasn't happy about the schedule and publicly said so which I believe may have started the rift between Heather and him.
Unless Heath is paying for better games out of his salary I don't see how Stan is going to "fix" the schedule. More attendance more interest equals better games and better things like half time entertainment. It would be wonderful is EMU fans could donate the $$$ like CMU fans did to buy out Keno but to use it to improve our program. Fixing the coaching is only one aspect of fixing the men's program. You can still have a decent schedule by using Oakland Detroit Valpo Indiana at Fort Wayne, some Chicago schools or Cleveland St where the travel costs aren't as high. EMU football ticket prices have stayed the same or declined slightly which is great. EMU sports competes in the entertainment space ie movies and other things. Frankly I prefer lower ticket prices and getting kids and families in the seats. We used to be able to go to EMU basketball games as a family of 4 for a single game for $20. My two kids loved it and one even talked about attending EMU for college especially when the room and board deal a few years ago. Let folks sample the product and trust me if the costs remain reasonable they will back for more. Yes winning helps I think my wife and I are now on season ticket season 6 for football. EMU football is exciting to watch in person and competitive. Heck back in 1978 I think Bowling Green was up by 40 points-at halftime. Stan is bringing some local players which is great and its is a start.

And I probably understated the financial poverty in EMU MBB than the example I used. I believe the disparity between TOL and EMU is much greater than my example.

I agree with '79 that Murphy was not happy with the financial resources he had to work and as '79 indicated spoke out and that caused problems within the EMU athletic department.

What fans have to realize is that capital expenditures (e.g., building the Convo, SAPC, etc.) are completely different than money to play coaches salaries, home game guarantees, etc. The new lights at Rynearson were univeristy maintenance funds, not athletic dept funds.

And if Luckey wants to be fair about it, what big name FBS team has played at The Factory during the last 10 years (same time period as Murphy's tenure)? One year we had what Howard and Alabama State. This year St. Francis and not Texas Tech 03-lmfao but Texas State. And a home and home vs. UMass.

EDIT: readers will remember that we gave up a MSU game and postponed our SDSU game.

It is almost a syllogism that EMU MBB and EMU FB employ the same SCHEDULING strategy:

"Cheap" home games vs. FCS teams, home and home vs. weak FBS teams and one (or two) payday games.

Our cheap home game is St. Francis (Pa.), our home and home is UMass. and WI is our pay day. Texas State - not sure if this is home and home.


RE: 2021/2 EMU MBB Roster - emu79 - 05-30-2021 03:15 PM

(05-30-2021 09:07 AM)emu steve Wrote:  
(05-30-2021 08:40 AM)emu79 Wrote:  I agree with Steve, even Murphy wasn't happy about the schedule and publicly said so which I believe may have started the rift between Heather and him.
Unless Heath is paying for better games out of his salary I don't see how Stan is going to "fix" the schedule. More attendance more interest equals better games and better things like half time entertainment. It would be wonderful is EMU fans could donate the $$$ like CMU fans did to buy out Keno but to use it to improve our program. Fixing the coaching is only one aspect of fixing the men's program. You can still have a decent schedule by using Oakland Detroit Valpo Indiana at Fort Wayne, some Chicago schools or Cleveland St where the travel costs aren't as high. EMU football ticket prices have stayed the same or declined slightly which is great. EMU sports competes in the entertainment space ie movies and other things. Frankly I prefer lower ticket prices and getting kids and families in the seats. We used to be able to go to EMU basketball games as a family of 4 for a single game for $20. My two kids loved it and one even talked about attending EMU for college especially when the room and board deal a few years ago. Let folks sample the product and trust me if the costs remain reasonable they will back for more. Yes winning helps I think my wife and I are now on season ticket season 6 for football. EMU football is exciting to watch in person and competitive. Heck back in 1978 I think Bowling Green was up by 40 points-at halftime. Stan is bringing some local players which is great and its is a start.

And I probably understated the financial poverty in EMU MBB than the example I used. I believe the disparity between TOL and EMU is much greater than my example.

I agree with '79 that Murphy was not happy with the financial resources he had to work and as '79 indicated spoke out and that caused problems within the EMU athletic department.

What fans have to realize is that capital expenditures (e.g., building the Convo, SAPC, etc.) are completely different than money to play coaches salaries, home game guarantees, etc. The new lights at Rynearson were univeristy maintenance funds, not athletic dept funds.

And if Luckey wants to be fair about it, what big name FBS team has played at The Factory during the last 10 years (same time period as Murphy's tenure)? One year we had what Howard and Alabama State. This year St. Francis and not Texas Tech 03-lmfao but Texas State. And a home and home vs. UMass.

EDIT: readers will remember that we gave up a MSU game and postponed our SDSU game.

It is almost a syllogism that EMU MBB and EMU FB employ the same SCHEDULING strategy:

"Cheap" home games vs. FCS teams, home and home vs. weak FBS teams and one (or two) payday games.

Our cheap home game is St. Francis (Pa.), our home and home is UMass. and WI is our pay day. Texas State - not sure if this is home and home.

We lost two big payday games last football season which didn't help resource wise.


RE: 2021/2 EMU MBB Roster - emu steve - 05-30-2021 04:04 PM

(05-30-2021 03:15 PM)emu79 Wrote:  
(05-30-2021 09:07 AM)emu steve Wrote:  
(05-30-2021 08:40 AM)emu79 Wrote:  I agree with Steve, even Murphy wasn't happy about the schedule and publicly said so which I believe may have started the rift between Heather and him.
Unless Heath is paying for better games out of his salary I don't see how Stan is going to "fix" the schedule. More attendance more interest equals better games and better things like half time entertainment. It would be wonderful is EMU fans could donate the $$$ like CMU fans did to buy out Keno but to use it to improve our program. Fixing the coaching is only one aspect of fixing the men's program. You can still have a decent schedule by using Oakland Detroit Valpo Indiana at Fort Wayne, some Chicago schools or Cleveland St where the travel costs aren't as high. EMU football ticket prices have stayed the same or declined slightly which is great. EMU sports competes in the entertainment space ie movies and other things. Frankly I prefer lower ticket prices and getting kids and families in the seats. We used to be able to go to EMU basketball games as a family of 4 for a single game for $20. My two kids loved it and one even talked about attending EMU for college especially when the room and board deal a few years ago. Let folks sample the product and trust me if the costs remain reasonable they will back for more. Yes winning helps I think my wife and I are now on season ticket season 6 for football. EMU football is exciting to watch in person and competitive. Heck back in 1978 I think Bowling Green was up by 40 points-at halftime. Stan is bringing some local players which is great and its is a start.

And I probably understated the financial poverty in EMU MBB than the example I used. I believe the disparity between TOL and EMU is much greater than my example.

I agree with '79 that Murphy was not happy with the financial resources he had to work and as '79 indicated spoke out and that caused problems within the EMU athletic department.

What fans have to realize is that capital expenditures (e.g., building the Convo, SAPC, etc.) are completely different than money to play coaches salaries, home game guarantees, etc. The new lights at Rynearson were univeristy maintenance funds, not athletic dept funds.

And if Luckey wants to be fair about it, what big name FBS team has played at The Factory during the last 10 years (same time period as Murphy's tenure)? One year we had what Howard and Alabama State. This year St. Francis and not Texas Tech 03-lmfao but Texas State. And a home and home vs. UMass.

EDIT: readers will remember that we gave up a MSU game and postponed our SDSU game.

It is almost a syllogism that EMU MBB and EMU FB employ the same SCHEDULING strategy:

"Cheap" home games vs. FCS teams, home and home vs. weak FBS teams and one (or two) payday games.

Our cheap home game is St. Francis (Pa.), our home and home is UMass. and WI is our pay day. Texas State - not sure if this is home and home.

We lost two big payday games last football season which didn't help resource wise.

You're right on that!!!

As I may have posted elsewhere, some states have two-year budget cycles so they can account for unexpected things (e.g., Covid, 2008 Great Recession, etc.) which came 'out of the blue.'

How EMU handles the big hit to revenues, IDK. How does a U pay the bills when expenses > revenues?

I don't think universities maintain big operating reserves or have the flexibility of a U.S. corporation, e.g., an airlines who borrowed big bucks say 13 or 14 months ago.


RE: 2021/2 EMU MBB Roster - Jerry Weaver - 05-30-2021 04:54 PM

(05-29-2021 04:18 PM)Luckeyone Wrote:  
(05-29-2021 12:39 PM)emu steve Wrote:  
(05-29-2021 10:34 AM)Luckeyone Wrote:  
(05-29-2021 08:50 AM)EagleSam Wrote:  Hard to disagree. I’d prefer McBride off the ball, so either Luka starts at point for me, or Spottsville does if Luka isn’t quite ready. I also like a little bit of small ball since our guards are big and the forwards are athletic. My starting lineup would tentatively be:

Luka/Spottsville
McBride
Scott
Golson/Binelli
Okongo/Njie/Randle

Everything is a crapshoot at this point. I’m liking what we are assembling in the front court though. Lots of size and options, plus the depth allows the younger guys to develop. Great job by Coach Heath so far.

I’ve been watching some of the highlight videos and I’ll join in on the way too early prediction on a starting lineup. First off, we are loaded with depth and pieces that are interchangeable.

1st Team
PG Luka
SG Scott
SG McBride
SF Golson
C Njie

2nd Team
G Spottsville/Clements
SG/SF Binelli
SF/C Randle
C Okongo

Lukas highlights are impressive because he shoots jump shots over defenders and also does the step back to create space. At 6’3”-6’4” he has the size but I still need to see if he has the quicks and the strength for the MAC. I believe Stan sees Luka as the former great KSU guard - Huffman. He could be a candidate for MAC freshman of the year with his deep range.

Scott-All MAC potential and should average 17-20 in uptempo structured offense

McBride - can he be consistent? There may be some games he leads the team in scoring and other games he may need to be a delegate. Needs to improve his strength.

Golson-nice size and strength. Should average 10-14 ppg. Does he have midrange game? Will play center most likely on some occasions when we play small ball.

NJie - nice player but in his film I didn’t see him play with passion and nastiness. Kind of reminds me of Tim Duncan style. He could be the MAN in two seasons. His great size and strength should propel him to immediate starter. Even as a freshman, should average 6-10 ppg and 7 rebounds.

Randle- love his energy and athleticism. Definitely a sub who will garner a lot of minutes . Avg 4-6 ppg, 3-5 rebounds, lead team in shot blocks.

Spottsville- love his strength, size, motor and tenacity. He doesn’t give up!! Sam could be right that he starts because of his defensive skill set and experience. If Heath can improve his FT and outside shooting, he could be the most improved from last season. Will he play with confidence???

Binelli-beaming with potential!! He’s a bit unknown because of covid19 season, injury, Murphy system etc. However he’s an unbelievable pure shooter. If the game is close, I don’t see him on the bench. If Heath runs Binelli off screens, he’ll have games where he could go off for 20 points. Can he play D? He’s not big enough to play C but he should get lots of pt.

Okongo - big, and strong but not explosive. Quickness? Since he has limited eligibility I don’t see him starting but providing a rest for NJie.

Clements - I love his motor, quicks, size and strength!!! He can get to the rim but he needs to develop consistent jump shooting over defenders. His body is D1 ready....at some point he’ll be much better than Spottsville. He could be a heckuva player if he develops outside shooting.

Ok this was just for fun obviously based on highlights.

EMU is a sleeping giant in basketball as coach Heath proclaimed. One of our big advantages is being so close to AA and UofM. It is going to be interesting to see how these youngsters perform against scrimmages with UofM this summer which has a team that may win the NCAA championship next season. That’s a recruiting tool that helps us by telling our players you’ll be going up against a national contender during the summer.

I hope Juwan will give us a 1 for 2 but probably not. Maybe Izzo will because of relationship with Stan.

I do predict the convo is going to be rocking this season!!! Ohio should come in ranked, rival Toled should get preseason accolades, Buffalo, BSU, BG should be really tough.

Let’s fix the schedule and get the convo rocking!!!

You got say 75 - 100K to donate so we can 'buy' a D-I game?

As we've said many said (re-phrased), "Money talks, and non-D-I games walk..."

We'll see if say Izzo will CHARITABLY do a 1 for 2 game with Stan. Normally schools don't like to give away say 250K or more by playing a game for friendship. 250K is an estimate of what MSU could net playing a no-name D-I opponent.

Don’t need the 75-100k....you’ve been fed a line by Murphy who padded his schedule with D3 for wins. Play the B1G away for money and then schedule home and home with Oakland, IUPUI, Cleveland St, UofD, etc

This is not rocket science. Watch Heath fix the schedule

Once again I am on the Luckey bandwagon. For now I would play the big boys on the road and bank the money. I may be wrong but I don't think any MAC school schedules Power 6 opponents at home very often in recent years. While the MAC may consider itself superior to the Horizon League, it clearly is not and those opponents present legitimate competition and nearby fan bases who can easily travel. Let Stan revitalize the program first and establish EMU as a "fun to watch" basketball team, as much as I am proud of Murph's win in Ann Arbor, the score was 45-42 and fans other than us would have found it extremely boring. If U-M came to the Convo next year, they would have the home crowd advantage and probably drub us by 40 points or more, not a good thing.

'79 makes solid points about attendance, we just need to get more SE Michigan people to sample the product and present a compelling value proposition when they do. We now have a coach focused on filling seats, I want to let him build the program before we get overly aggressive in scheduling. Baby steps for now.


RE: 2021/2 EMU MBB Roster - Luckeyone - 05-30-2021 06:50 PM

(05-30-2021 04:54 PM)Jerry Weaver Wrote:  
(05-29-2021 04:18 PM)Luckeyone Wrote:  
(05-29-2021 12:39 PM)emu steve Wrote:  
(05-29-2021 10:34 AM)Luckeyone Wrote:  
(05-29-2021 08:50 AM)EagleSam Wrote:  Hard to disagree. I’d prefer McBride off the ball, so either Luka starts at point for me, or Spottsville does if Luka isn’t quite ready. I also like a little bit of small ball since our guards are big and the forwards are athletic. My starting lineup would tentatively be:

Luka/Spottsville
McBride
Scott
Golson/Binelli
Okongo/Njie/Randle

Everything is a crapshoot at this point. I’m liking what we are assembling in the front court though. Lots of size and options, plus the depth allows the younger guys to develop. Great job by Coach Heath so far.

I’ve been watching some of the highlight videos and I’ll join in on the way too early prediction on a starting lineup. First off, we are loaded with depth and pieces that are interchangeable.

1st Team
PG Luka
SG Scott
SG McBride
SF Golson
C Njie

2nd Team
G Spottsville/Clements
SG/SF Binelli
SF/C Randle
C Okongo

Lukas highlights are impressive because he shoots jump shots over defenders and also does the step back to create space. At 6’3”-6’4” he has the size but I still need to see if he has the quicks and the strength for the MAC. I believe Stan sees Luka as the former great KSU guard - Huffman. He could be a candidate for MAC freshman of the year with his deep range.

Scott-All MAC potential and should average 17-20 in uptempo structured offense

McBride - can he be consistent? There may be some games he leads the team in scoring and other games he may need to be a delegate. Needs to improve his strength.

Golson-nice size and strength. Should average 10-14 ppg. Does he have midrange game? Will play center most likely on some occasions when we play small ball.

NJie - nice player but in his film I didn’t see him play with passion and nastiness. Kind of reminds me of Tim Duncan style. He could be the MAN in two seasons. His great size and strength should propel him to immediate starter. Even as a freshman, should average 6-10 ppg and 7 rebounds.

Randle- love his energy and athleticism. Definitely a sub who will garner a lot of minutes . Avg 4-6 ppg, 3-5 rebounds, lead team in shot blocks.

Spottsville- love his strength, size, motor and tenacity. He doesn’t give up!! Sam could be right that he starts because of his defensive skill set and experience. If Heath can improve his FT and outside shooting, he could be the most improved from last season. Will he play with confidence???

Binelli-beaming with potential!! He’s a bit unknown because of covid19 season, injury, Murphy system etc. However he’s an unbelievable pure shooter. If the game is close, I don’t see him on the bench. If Heath runs Binelli off screens, he’ll have games where he could go off for 20 points. Can he play D? He’s not big enough to play C but he should get lots of pt.

Okongo - big, and strong but not explosive. Quickness? Since he has limited eligibility I don’t see him starting but providing a rest for NJie.

Clements - I love his motor, quicks, size and strength!!! He can get to the rim but he needs to develop consistent jump shooting over defenders. His body is D1 ready....at some point he’ll be much better than Spottsville. He could be a heckuva player if he develops outside shooting.

Ok this was just for fun obviously based on highlights.

EMU is a sleeping giant in basketball as coach Heath proclaimed. One of our big advantages is being so close to AA and UofM. It is going to be interesting to see how these youngsters perform against scrimmages with UofM this summer which has a team that may win the NCAA championship next season. That’s a recruiting tool that helps us by telling our players you’ll be going up against a national contender during the summer.

I hope Juwan will give us a 1 for 2 but probably not. Maybe Izzo will because of relationship with Stan.

I do predict the convo is going to be rocking this season!!! Ohio should come in ranked, rival Toled should get preseason accolades, Buffalo, BSU, BG should be really tough.

Let’s fix the schedule and get the convo rocking!!!

You got say 75 - 100K to donate so we can 'buy' a D-I game?

As we've said many said (re-phrased), "Money talks, and non-D-I games walk..."

We'll see if say Izzo will CHARITABLY do a 1 for 2 game with Stan. Normally schools don't like to give away say 250K or more by playing a game for friendship. 250K is an estimate of what MSU could net playing a no-name D-I opponent.

Don’t need the 75-100k....you’ve been fed a line by Murphy who padded his schedule with D3 for wins. Play the B1G away for money and then schedule home and home with Oakland, IUPUI, Cleveland St, UofD, etc

This is not rocket science. Watch Heath fix the schedule

Once again I am on the Luckey bandwagon. For now I would play the big boys on the road and bank the money. I may be wrong but I don't think any MAC school schedules Power 6 opponents at home very often in recent years. While the MAC may consider itself superior to the Horizon League, it clearly is not and those opponents present legitimate competition and nearby fan bases who can easily travel. Let Stan revitalize the program first and establish EMU as a "fun to watch" basketball team, as much as I am proud of Murph's win in Ann Arbor, the score was 45-42 and fans other than us would have found it extremely boring. If U-M came to the Convo next year, they would have the home crowd advantage and probably drub us by 40 points or more, not a good thing.

'79 makes solid points about attendance, we just need to get more SE Michigan people to sample the product and present a compelling value proposition when they do. We now have a coach focused on filling seats, I want to let him build the program before we get overly aggressive in scheduling. Baby steps for now.

Jerry, like I’ve said many times I’m in lock step with your post.
I do agree with Jerry that there are times to play a zone but never exclusively!

EMUSteve, I regard you as the biggest EMU fan on this board and I truly respect your thoughts and opinion which are normally substantiated with analysis and facts. However, the basketball program has been held hostage ever since Braun left by very bad coaches (Boone the worst). The bad basketball the last 10 years has made it a junk stock. What I mean by that is Heather Lyke meant to fire Murphy but left for greener pastures. With that said, she was not going to invest in MBB until she had the right coach in place. Without rehashing his contract, I’m sure Wetherbe had the same mindset. So if the AD was going to fire the coach of course they’re not going to invest games for Murphy. It’s more than that, because Murphy in turn did not invest in EMU either. Murphy also found scheduling difficult because of his style of play. Virtually no team plays zone so why would a G5 school want to schedule us because playing EMU does not prepare them to face their conference teams. On top of that, Murphy’s teams were not very good so even if they beat us, it would not help the G5 opposing team. So in summary, I feel even G5 teams don’t like scheduling EMU because 1) Murphy’s system did not prepare the opposing team for their conference foes and 2) EMU is not that good.

I’ll also make a point EMU loses money playing MIAA schools. The coaching staff is a sunk cost but the facilities, and overhead to run the convo may not be plus the payout. Beating MIAA schools only hurts the team because the competition is so low bad habits develop. You think this is a conspiracy theory? I don’t think so because EMU has played more MIAA schools than any other team in our conference. Didn’t Murphy cram a game in last season between holidays just trying to get another victory to count towards the magical 20 wins for a contract extension? Bottom line is EMU and the MAC should never play another MIAA school unless it’s an exhibition.

As I’m writing this what comes to mind is Creighton standing at the podium and telling in a very loud boisterous declaration that the SAPC is open at EMU. Reading between the lines, his message to everyone listening basically meant “Yes EMU can invest money to enhance the athletes experience that will provide mutual benefits for the entire university. He really enunciated the fact that Yes Great Things Can happen at EMU when all of the naysayers said the SAPC would never be built. I almost feel like some of you have been beaten down so much, you don’t expect great things. Watch Stan take baby steps as Jerry pointed out and he will make everyone realize EMU was a sleeping giant they just had terrible high school coaches (Murphy class B champion 1 year didn’t work), or coaches that were not good to take advantage of the fruits hanging on our trees ready to be picked and harvested.

Stan Heath will play an exciting brand of basketball with talented players. Like Creighton, he’s already shown to be a great ambassador for the university. All of that will translate in the university wanting to invest in Heath’s program because dividends will be made tenfold by the results his team will generate in a couple seasons.

Stan is going to get the schedule fixed and we don’t need to be the richest school in the MAC. Simply assemble an exciting and talented team, plus have a style of play to prepare them for their conference foes and that will make us attractive to the opposing team AD and fan base that will help us schedule home and home games. To Jerry’s point, do you think a G5 school wants to schedule a home and home with a Murphy team that plays boring basketball unattractive for their fan base (think 45-41 scores) plus a zone defense that will not help them prepare for their conference teams? Nope!!!


RE: 2021/2 EMU MBB Roster - Ken Barna - 05-30-2021 08:55 PM

Dear steve,
I have to take some exception to your comment about Toledo fans filling their arena compared to Eastern fans filling the Convocation Center. The difference is Toledo was winning games, Eastern not. As others have mentioned, playing exciting basketball at Toledo, Eastern not. That is why one arena is filled and the other empty. It always comes down to winning. Until Eastern wins games with some consistentcy, the Convocation Center will remain empty.


RE: 2021/2 EMU MBB Roster - emu steve - 05-30-2021 10:09 PM

(05-30-2021 08:55 PM)Ken Barna Wrote:  Dear steve,
I have to take some exception to your comment about Toledo fans filling their arena compared to Eastern fans filling the Convocation Center. The difference is Toledo was winning games, Eastern not. As others have mentioned, playing exciting basketball at Toledo, Eastern not. That is why one arena is filled and the other empty. It always comes down to winning. Until Eastern wins games with some consistentcy, the Convocation Center will remain empty.

Maybe, but TOL has out drawn EMU in all sports over all time. TOL does an excellent job supporting their teams.


RE: 2021/2 EMU MBB Roster - emu79 - 05-31-2021 03:47 AM

(05-30-2021 10:09 PM)emu steve Wrote:  
(05-30-2021 08:55 PM)Ken Barna Wrote:  Dear steve,
I have to take some exception to your comment about Toledo fans filling their arena compared to Eastern fans filling the Convocation Center. The difference is Toledo was winning games, Eastern not. As others have mentioned, playing exciting basketball at Toledo, Eastern not. That is why one arena is filled and the other empty. It always comes down to winning. Until Eastern wins games with some consistentcy, the Convocation Center will remain empty.

Maybe, but TOL has out drawn EMU in all sports over all time. TOL does an excellent job supporting their teams.

The perks that Toledo season ticket holders for football get as I recall make us look like misers. Football games and basketball games are like airline seats, it costs x $ for the plane crew and gate no matter how many seats are filled. So find the sweet spot and fill the seats.