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RE: New MBB Coaching Thread (Assistant Coach) - KPJ - 04-19-2021 02:37 PM

(04-19-2021 02:27 PM)dansplaining Wrote:  
(04-19-2021 02:13 PM)emu steve Wrote:  
(04-19-2021 01:44 PM)emu79 Wrote:  According to glass door Bronk makes about 80k without incentives as head coach at Ferris St

If I were he I'd want to move up but to a school which can pay more than we do.

Now, if this was the CMU board, and they could offer say 150K, let's have the discussion.

Moving from Ferris to CMU is an easy move.

I would also want to know if we wants to be in S.E. Michigan. He seems like a western Michigan guy all the way. McBain, Big Rapids, etc.

It might be a good idea to snag a guy out of the HS ranks from SE michigan.

Like LaMonta Stone?


RE: New MBB Coaching Thread (Assistant Coach) - emu steve - 04-19-2021 03:08 PM

(04-19-2021 02:37 PM)KPJ Wrote:  
(04-19-2021 02:27 PM)dansplaining Wrote:  
(04-19-2021 02:13 PM)emu steve Wrote:  
(04-19-2021 01:44 PM)emu79 Wrote:  According to glass door Bronk makes about 80k without incentives as head coach at Ferris St

If I were he I'd want to move up but to a school which can pay more than we do.

Now, if this was the CMU board, and they could offer say 150K, let's have the discussion.

Moving from Ferris to CMU is an easy move.

I would also want to know if we wants to be in S.E. Michigan. He seems like a western Michigan guy all the way. McBain, Big Rapids, etc.

It might be a good idea to snag a guy out of the HS ranks from SE michigan.

Like LaMonta Stone?

No. His career has been in decline and he was fired without warning by the school superintendent.

That has red flags written all over it.

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/sports/high-school/2021/03/17/lamonta-stone-fired-river-rouge-boys-basketball-coach/4728904001/


RE: New MBB Coaching Thread (Assistant Coach) - TheWoodenNickle - 04-19-2021 03:10 PM

(04-19-2021 02:37 PM)KPJ Wrote:  
(04-19-2021 02:27 PM)dansplaining Wrote:  
(04-19-2021 02:13 PM)emu steve Wrote:  
(04-19-2021 01:44 PM)emu79 Wrote:  According to glass door Bronk makes about 80k without incentives as head coach at Ferris St

If I were he I'd want to move up but to a school which can pay more than we do.

Now, if this was the CMU board, and they could offer say 150K, let's have the discussion.

Moving from Ferris to CMU is an easy move.

I would also want to know if we wants to be in S.E. Michigan. He seems like a western Michigan guy all the way. McBain, Big Rapids, etc.

It might be a good idea to snag a guy out of the HS ranks from SE michigan.

Like LaMonta Stone?
How about EJ Bates?

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-J727AZ using Tapatalk


RE: New MBB Coaching Thread (Assistant Coach) - emu79 - 04-19-2021 05:04 PM

(04-19-2021 03:10 PM)TheWoodenNickle Wrote:  
(04-19-2021 02:37 PM)KPJ Wrote:  
(04-19-2021 02:27 PM)dansplaining Wrote:  
(04-19-2021 02:13 PM)emu steve Wrote:  
(04-19-2021 01:44 PM)emu79 Wrote:  According to glass door Bronk makes about 80k without incentives as head coach at Ferris St

If I were he I'd want to move up but to a school which can pay more than we do.

Now, if this was the CMU board, and they could offer say 150K, let's have the discussion.

Moving from Ferris to CMU is an easy move.

I would also want to know if we wants to be in S.E. Michigan. He seems like a western Michigan guy all the way. McBain, Big Rapids, etc.

It might be a good idea to snag a guy out of the HS ranks from SE michigan.

Like LaMonta Stone?
How about EJ Bates?

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-J727AZ using Tapatalk

Carlos Briggs?


RE: New MBB Coaching Thread (Assistant Coach) - emu steve - 04-19-2021 05:57 PM

How about Bob W.? 03-lmfao

An alum, pro basketball official (G-League clock operator), has the passion to sell ice to Eskimos, etc.


RE: New MBB Coaching Thread (Assistant Coach) - dansplaining - 04-20-2021 05:53 AM

(04-19-2021 05:04 PM)emu79 Wrote:  
(04-19-2021 03:10 PM)TheWoodenNickle Wrote:  
(04-19-2021 02:37 PM)KPJ Wrote:  
(04-19-2021 02:27 PM)dansplaining Wrote:  
(04-19-2021 02:13 PM)emu steve Wrote:  If I were he I'd want to move up but to a school which can pay more than we do.

Now, if this was the CMU board, and they could offer say 150K, let's have the discussion.

Moving from Ferris to CMU is an easy move.

I would also want to know if we wants to be in S.E. Michigan. He seems like a western Michigan guy all the way. McBain, Big Rapids, etc.

It might be a good idea to snag a guy out of the HS ranks from SE michigan.

Like LaMonta Stone?
How about EJ Bates?

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-J727AZ using Tapatalk

Carlos Briggs?

I mean I don't know enough about local high school basketball - but I think if you can get a youngish guy who's well regarded in the scene you can make some good inroads with local recruiting. Specifically I look at a guy like Nate Oats.


RE: New MBB Coaching Thread (Assistant Coach) - emu steve - 04-20-2021 07:09 AM

(04-20-2021 05:53 AM)dansplaining Wrote:  
(04-19-2021 05:04 PM)emu79 Wrote:  
(04-19-2021 03:10 PM)TheWoodenNickle Wrote:  
(04-19-2021 02:37 PM)KPJ Wrote:  
(04-19-2021 02:27 PM)dansplaining Wrote:  It might be a good idea to snag a guy out of the HS ranks from SE michigan.

Like LaMonta Stone?
How about EJ Bates?

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-J727AZ using Tapatalk

Carlos Briggs?

I mean I don't know enough about local high school basketball - but I think if you can get a youngish guy who's well regarded in the scene you can make some good inroads with local recruiting. Specifically I look at a guy like Nate Oats.

Point taken.

Now Nate Oats. He would have been great for EMU. Did we have a coaching opening before Oats moved to UB?

I remember the Murphy/Mondro/Brown/White team being around for many years. And I think Oats was gone before an opening occured.


RE: New MBB Coaching Thread (Assistant Coach) - Bob Wickersham - 04-20-2021 07:15 AM

(04-19-2021 09:46 AM)dansplaining Wrote:  
(04-19-2021 08:51 AM)emu steve Wrote:  
(04-19-2021 08:33 AM)dansplaining Wrote:  
(04-17-2021 06:06 PM)Jerry Weaver Wrote:  I'm assuming that Coach Heath laid out his program plan to Wetherbee in the interview. Hiring a staff would have been primary in this endeavor and I am sure the AD gave him guidelines on the dollars available to do so.

Stan has been around long enough to know what he truly needs in assistants. I would love an alum, but when you hire a veteran coach, you stay out of his way and let him do the job.

I'd like to see him take a flyer on a young guy on the staff. Heath is experienced enough that he doesn't need a mentor. He can BE a mentor.

The typical arrangement is HC, veteran for assoc HC, and perhaps younger coach and a coach who would be expected to be a good recruiter.

That is what we had: Murphy, Mondro (assoc hc), and then Mike Brown and Benny White.

As I understand it, Brown and White were the two recruiting coaches.

The HC is the 'closer' - he isn't the starter or long relief man, but closes the deal when the recruits are on campus and looking for a commit.

I would expect an assoc. HC this week.

Don't know how the decision making will be done on the other two coaches. Will the assoc HC be part of the decision making process? Does Heath want help because he (Heath) had been out of college ball for 4 years?

As far as H.S. and JUCO recruits, no one burned the scouting reports. Everything that Cline, Wooten, and Harvey did is available to Heath.

Heath can treat scouting reports like he treats resumes and applications for the open coaching positions. If Drew is still part of the team, he acts as a staff assistant who helps the HC with the type of work staff assistants do (they facilitate).

they should hire bronk to asssit
I tried watching a Ferris State game once. It looked like my local YMCA weekly pickup game.


RE: New MBB Coaching Thread (Assistant Coach) - dansplaining - 04-20-2021 07:31 AM

(04-20-2021 07:15 AM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  
(04-19-2021 09:46 AM)dansplaining Wrote:  
(04-19-2021 08:51 AM)emu steve Wrote:  
(04-19-2021 08:33 AM)dansplaining Wrote:  
(04-17-2021 06:06 PM)Jerry Weaver Wrote:  I'm assuming that Coach Heath laid out his program plan to Wetherbee in the interview. Hiring a staff would have been primary in this endeavor and I am sure the AD gave him guidelines on the dollars available to do so.

Stan has been around long enough to know what he truly needs in assistants. I would love an alum, but when you hire a veteran coach, you stay out of his way and let him do the job.

I'd like to see him take a flyer on a young guy on the staff. Heath is experienced enough that he doesn't need a mentor. He can BE a mentor.

The typical arrangement is HC, veteran for assoc HC, and perhaps younger coach and a coach who would be expected to be a good recruiter.

That is what we had: Murphy, Mondro (assoc hc), and then Mike Brown and Benny White.

As I understand it, Brown and White were the two recruiting coaches.

The HC is the 'closer' - he isn't the starter or long relief man, but closes the deal when the recruits are on campus and looking for a commit.

I would expect an assoc. HC this week.

Don't know how the decision making will be done on the other two coaches. Will the assoc HC be part of the decision making process? Does Heath want help because he (Heath) had been out of college ball for 4 years?

As far as H.S. and JUCO recruits, no one burned the scouting reports. Everything that Cline, Wooten, and Harvey did is available to Heath.

Heath can treat scouting reports like he treats resumes and applications for the open coaching positions. If Drew is still part of the team, he acts as a staff assistant who helps the HC with the type of work staff assistants do (they facilitate).

they should hire bronk to asssit
I tried watching a Ferris State game once. It looked like my local YMCA weekly pickup game.

i tried watching an EMU game once and it was like watching paint dry. what's your point?


New MBB Coaching Thread (Assistant Coach) - TheWoodenNickle - 04-20-2021 04:37 PM

Detroit News: State hoops: MSU's Tom Izzo plays salesman for EMU, and one of his guys gets the job

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/sports/college/2021/04/16/state-hoops-msus-tom-izzo-plays-salesman-emu-and-one-his-guys-gets-job/7260619002/


RE: New MBB Coaching Thread (Assistant Coach) - Jerry Weaver - 04-20-2021 07:03 PM

(04-20-2021 04:37 PM)TheWoodenNickle Wrote:  Detroit News: State hoops: MSU's Tom Izzo plays salesman for EMU, and one of his guys gets the job

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/sports/college/2021/04/16/state-hoops-msus-tom-izzo-plays-salesman-emu-and-one-his-guys-gets-job/7260619002/

Dammit Nickle you had to post this! The last time we listened to a B1G coach with respect to a new hire, it was the less than great Lloyd Carr's recommendation of Ron English. We can all thank Lloyd for the dumpster fire he left us with.

That said, Izzo's blessing is different this time. Stan is an alum and English was not. Ron already had his eyes on bigger things and at his age Stan, less so. Finally Izzo is still coaching unlike feckless Lloyd, so I assume he can provide some assistance to Stan.


RE: New MBB Coaching Thread (Assistant Coach) - dansplaining - 04-21-2021 07:02 AM

(04-20-2021 07:03 PM)Jerry Weaver Wrote:  
(04-20-2021 04:37 PM)TheWoodenNickle Wrote:  Detroit News: State hoops: MSU's Tom Izzo plays salesman for EMU, and one of his guys gets the job

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/sports/college/2021/04/16/state-hoops-msus-tom-izzo-plays-salesman-emu-and-one-his-guys-gets-job/7260619002/

Dammit Nickle you had to post this! The last time we listened to a B1G coach with respect to a new hire, it was the less than great Lloyd Carr's recommendation of Ron English. We can all thank Lloyd for the dumpster fire he left us with.

That said, Izzo's blessing is different this time. Stan is an alum and English was not. Ron already had his eyes on bigger things and at his age Stan, less so. Finally Izzo is still coaching unlike feckless Lloyd, so I assume he can provide some assistance to Stan.

Stan Heath has been a successful head basketball coach for multiple programs. English was a career assistant who was in over his head. Totally different situations.


RE: New MBB Coaching Thread (Assistant Coach) - emu steve - 04-21-2021 07:26 AM

(04-21-2021 07:02 AM)dansplaining Wrote:  
(04-20-2021 07:03 PM)Jerry Weaver Wrote:  
(04-20-2021 04:37 PM)TheWoodenNickle Wrote:  Detroit News: State hoops: MSU's Tom Izzo plays salesman for EMU, and one of his guys gets the job

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/sports/college/2021/04/16/state-hoops-msus-tom-izzo-plays-salesman-emu-and-one-his-guys-gets-job/7260619002/

Dammit Nickle you had to post this! The last time we listened to a B1G coach with respect to a new hire, it was the less than great Lloyd Carr's recommendation of Ron English. We can all thank Lloyd for the dumpster fire he left us with.

That said, Izzo's blessing is different this time. Stan is an alum and English was not. Ron already had his eyes on bigger things and at his age Stan, less so. Finally Izzo is still coaching unlike feckless Lloyd, so I assume he can provide some assistance to Stan.

Stan Heath has been a successful head basketball coach for multiple programs. English was a career assistant who was in over his head. Totally different situations.

Agree, AND some people thought that English wasn't a great DC, but rather was beneficiary of coaching a lot to top drawer talent.

No one accuses MAC teams, Arkansas, So. Florida as being haven for top talent.


RE: New MBB Coaching Thread (Assistant Coach) - dansplaining - 04-21-2021 07:52 AM

(04-21-2021 07:26 AM)emu steve Wrote:  
(04-21-2021 07:02 AM)dansplaining Wrote:  
(04-20-2021 07:03 PM)Jerry Weaver Wrote:  
(04-20-2021 04:37 PM)TheWoodenNickle Wrote:  Detroit News: State hoops: MSU's Tom Izzo plays salesman for EMU, and one of his guys gets the job

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/sports/college/2021/04/16/state-hoops-msus-tom-izzo-plays-salesman-emu-and-one-his-guys-gets-job/7260619002/

Dammit Nickle you had to post this! The last time we listened to a B1G coach with respect to a new hire, it was the less than great Lloyd Carr's recommendation of Ron English. We can all thank Lloyd for the dumpster fire he left us with.

That said, Izzo's blessing is different this time. Stan is an alum and English was not. Ron already had his eyes on bigger things and at his age Stan, less so. Finally Izzo is still coaching unlike feckless Lloyd, so I assume he can provide some assistance to Stan.

Stan Heath has been a successful head basketball coach for multiple programs. English was a career assistant who was in over his head. Totally different situations.

Agree, AND some people thought that English wasn't a great DC, but rather was beneficiary of coaching a lot to top drawer talent.

No one accuses MAC teams, Arkansas, So. Florida as being haven for top talent.

I'm a broken record on this - but i like coaches who have been head coaches already. I think it makes a world of difference having experience being the leader of an organization like that.


RE: New MBB Coaching Thread (Assistant Coach) - emu steve - 04-21-2021 09:26 AM

(04-21-2021 07:52 AM)dansplaining Wrote:  
(04-21-2021 07:26 AM)emu steve Wrote:  
(04-21-2021 07:02 AM)dansplaining Wrote:  
(04-20-2021 07:03 PM)Jerry Weaver Wrote:  
(04-20-2021 04:37 PM)TheWoodenNickle Wrote:  Detroit News: State hoops: MSU's Tom Izzo plays salesman for EMU, and one of his guys gets the job

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/sports/college/2021/04/16/state-hoops-msus-tom-izzo-plays-salesman-emu-and-one-his-guys-gets-job/7260619002/

Dammit Nickle you had to post this! The last time we listened to a B1G coach with respect to a new hire, it was the less than great Lloyd Carr's recommendation of Ron English. We can all thank Lloyd for the dumpster fire he left us with.

That said, Izzo's blessing is different this time. Stan is an alum and English was not. Ron already had his eyes on bigger things and at his age Stan, less so. Finally Izzo is still coaching unlike feckless Lloyd, so I assume he can provide some assistance to Stan.

Stan Heath has been a successful head basketball coach for multiple programs. English was a career assistant who was in over his head. Totally different situations.

Agree, AND some people thought that English wasn't a great DC, but rather was beneficiary of coaching a lot to top drawer talent.

No one accuses MAC teams, Arkansas, So. Florida as being haven for top talent.

I'm a broken record on this - but i like coaches who have been head coaches already. I think it makes a world of difference having experience being the leader of an organization like that.

DP, I think most agree with you. HOWEVER, it is hard to get an experienced HC to come for what we pay. Are we going to ask a coach in the HL, MVC, etc to take a 33% pay to work for $320K.

Best hope has been to get lucky and find a very good candidate who is unemployed OR under-employed.

Heath is a very experienced HC but apparently had a reasonable salary at the G-League.


RE: New MBB Coaching Thread (Assistant Coach) - EMUGLORYDAYSthe90's - 04-21-2021 10:20 AM

(04-21-2021 09:26 AM)emu steve Wrote:  
(04-21-2021 07:52 AM)dansplaining Wrote:  
(04-21-2021 07:26 AM)emu steve Wrote:  
(04-21-2021 07:02 AM)dansplaining Wrote:  
(04-20-2021 07:03 PM)Jerry Weaver Wrote:  Dammit Nickle you had to post this! The last time we listened to a B1G coach with respect to a new hire, it was the less than great Lloyd Carr's recommendation of Ron English. We can all thank Lloyd for the dumpster fire he left us with.

That said, Izzo's blessing is different this time. Stan is an alum and English was not. Ron already had his eyes on bigger things and at his age Stan, less so. Finally Izzo is still coaching unlike feckless Lloyd, so I assume he can provide some assistance to Stan.

Stan Heath has been a successful head basketball coach for multiple programs. English was a career assistant who was in over his head. Totally different situations.

Agree, AND some people thought that English wasn't a great DC, but rather was beneficiary of coaching a lot to top drawer talent.

No one accuses MAC teams, Arkansas, So. Florida as being haven for top talent.

I'm a broken record on this - but i like coaches who have been head coaches already. I think it makes a world of difference having experience being the leader of an organization like that.

DP, I think most agree with you. HOWEVER, it is hard to get an experienced HC to come for what we pay. Are we going to ask a coach in the HL, MVC, etc to take a 33% pay to work for $320K.

Best hope has been to get lucky and find a very good candidate who is unemployed OR under-employed.

Heath is a very experienced HC but apparently had a reasonable salary at the G-League.
I truly believe Stan Heath did this not for the money! He made 7 figures at Arkansas and S Florida! E Michigan is where he played college basketball, he met his wife at E Michigan, he wants to restore the glory days! He literally talked constantly about having A packed house similar to Bowen Field House, all the greats from the 80's and early 90's by name! He said he did pay attention on how E Michigan basketball was doing, and he realizes how far this program has fallen! He's from Detroit, Michigan, and he's a Huron and now an Eagle! He said all of this over a 12 minute speech! His enthusiasm was phenomenal, but can he restore the program? I don't mean .500 in the MAC consistently, I mean 14-4, 15-3 MAC records that we were accustomed to for those 10 years! Football and basketball have never come close to those years from 87-92 in both, and basketball from 87-98! Eagle Sam, who I've the upmost respect for on his knowledge of basketball deserves to see A MAC championship! We went to FOUR consecutive MAC title games from 94-98! I sure hope Stan Heath can do it........


RE: New MBB Coaching Thread (Assistant Coach) - emu steve - 04-21-2021 10:38 AM

(04-21-2021 10:20 AM)EMUGLORYDAYSthe90s Wrote:  
(04-21-2021 09:26 AM)emu steve Wrote:  
(04-21-2021 07:52 AM)dansplaining Wrote:  
(04-21-2021 07:26 AM)emu steve Wrote:  
(04-21-2021 07:02 AM)dansplaining Wrote:  Stan Heath has been a successful head basketball coach for multiple programs. English was a career assistant who was in over his head. Totally different situations.

Agree, AND some people thought that English wasn't a great DC, but rather was beneficiary of coaching a lot to top drawer talent.

No one accuses MAC teams, Arkansas, So. Florida as being haven for top talent.

I'm a broken record on this - but i like coaches who have been head coaches already. I think it makes a world of difference having experience being the leader of an organization like that.

DP, I think most agree with you. HOWEVER, it is hard to get an experienced HC to come for what we pay. Are we going to ask a coach in the HL, MVC, etc to take a 33% pay to work for $320K.

Best hope has been to get lucky and find a very good candidate who is unemployed OR under-employed.

Heath is a very experienced HC but apparently had a reasonable salary at the G-League.
I truly believe Stan Heath did this not for the money! He made 7 figures at Arkansas and S Florida! E Michigan is where he played college basketball, he met his wife at E Michigan, he wants to restore the glory days! He literally talked constantly about having A packed house similar to Bowen Field House, all the greats from the 80's and early 90's by name! He said he did pay attention on how E Michigan basketball was doing, and he realizes how far this program has fallen! He's from Detroit, Michigan, and he's a Huron and now an Eagle! He said all of this over a 12 minute speech! His enthusiasm was phenomenal, but can he restore the program? I don't mean .500 in the MAC consistently, I mean 14-4, 15-3 MAC records that we were accustomed to for those 10 years! Football and basketball have never come close to those years from 87-92 in both, and basketball from 87-98! Eagle Sam, who I've the upmost respect for on his knowledge of basketball deserves to see A MAC championship! We went to FOUR consecutive MAC title games from 94-98! I sure hope Stan Heath can do it........

What you say is true, but I don't think G-League HCs are paid that well so the salary fit wasn't bad.

Never ask a rich coach (e.g., John B.) to work for a pittance, even if they don't need the money.

Boy, the City of Detroit should hire you to do PR. Remember when Detroit was the Paris of the Midwest. It was considered great. Now it is a city in great decay.

Things change over time. Never know the next great city or next city to go into decline.

I have no idea where we'll be in 3 - 5 years. I'm not a basketball prophet.

We'll never have huge crowds at the Convo. Folks will not drive 25 or 40 miles to see a game which is on the Internet.

As I have said many times, the Convo was built for a DIFFERENT ERA. There were ZERO games on the Internet. EMU might have gotten one or two home games on ESPN2.

Only way to see the game was hop in the car and drive.

Now, I see it all the time here in D.C. A friend says, "Why should I go and freeze my ***** off to see the Nationals (wind chills in the 30s) when I can watch it on television and turn it off if it isn't good."

The Wizards had 14K seats on sale for 7 home games (2,100 per game) MONDAY They still have sold out yet.


RE: New MBB Coaching Thread (Assistant Coach) - dansplaining - 04-21-2021 11:27 AM

(04-21-2021 10:38 AM)emu steve Wrote:  
(04-21-2021 10:20 AM)EMUGLORYDAYSthe90s Wrote:  
(04-21-2021 09:26 AM)emu steve Wrote:  
(04-21-2021 07:52 AM)dansplaining Wrote:  
(04-21-2021 07:26 AM)emu steve Wrote:  Agree, AND some people thought that English wasn't a great DC, but rather was beneficiary of coaching a lot to top drawer talent.

No one accuses MAC teams, Arkansas, So. Florida as being haven for top talent.

I'm a broken record on this - but i like coaches who have been head coaches already. I think it makes a world of difference having experience being the leader of an organization like that.

DP, I think most agree with you. HOWEVER, it is hard to get an experienced HC to come for what we pay. Are we going to ask a coach in the HL, MVC, etc to take a 33% pay to work for $320K.

Best hope has been to get lucky and find a very good candidate who is unemployed OR under-employed.

Heath is a very experienced HC but apparently had a reasonable salary at the G-League.
I truly believe Stan Heath did this not for the money! He made 7 figures at Arkansas and S Florida! E Michigan is where he played college basketball, he met his wife at E Michigan, he wants to restore the glory days! He literally talked constantly about having A packed house similar to Bowen Field House, all the greats from the 80's and early 90's by name! He said he did pay attention on how E Michigan basketball was doing, and he realizes how far this program has fallen! He's from Detroit, Michigan, and he's a Huron and now an Eagle! He said all of this over a 12 minute speech! His enthusiasm was phenomenal, but can he restore the program? I don't mean .500 in the MAC consistently, I mean 14-4, 15-3 MAC records that we were accustomed to for those 10 years! Football and basketball have never come close to those years from 87-92 in both, and basketball from 87-98! Eagle Sam, who I've the upmost respect for on his knowledge of basketball deserves to see A MAC championship! We went to FOUR consecutive MAC title games from 94-98! I sure hope Stan Heath can do it........

What you say is true, but I don't think G-League HCs are paid that well so the salary fit wasn't bad.

Never ask a rich coach (e.g., John B.) to work for a pittance, even if they don't need the money.

Boy, the City of Detroit should hire you to do PR. Remember when Detroit was the Paris of the Midwest. It was considered great. Now it is a city in great decay.

Things change over time. Never know the next great city or next city to go into decline.

I have no idea where we'll be in 3 - 5 years. I'm not a basketball prophet.

The MAC is a middle of the way conference. there are PLENTY of conferences beneath the MAC that we could pull a head coach from - not even counting div 2
https://www.teamrankings.com/ncaa-basketball/rpi-ranking/rpi-rating-by-conf


RE: New MBB Coaching Thread (Assistant Coach) - emu steve - 04-21-2021 12:06 PM

(04-21-2021 11:27 AM)dansplaining Wrote:  
(04-21-2021 10:38 AM)emu steve Wrote:  
(04-21-2021 10:20 AM)EMUGLORYDAYSthe90s Wrote:  
(04-21-2021 09:26 AM)emu steve Wrote:  
(04-21-2021 07:52 AM)dansplaining Wrote:  I'm a broken record on this - but i like coaches who have been head coaches already. I think it makes a world of difference having experience being the leader of an organization like that.

DP, I think most agree with you. HOWEVER, it is hard to get an experienced HC to come for what we pay. Are we going to ask a coach in the HL, MVC, etc to take a 33% pay to work for $320K.

Best hope has been to get lucky and find a very good candidate who is unemployed OR under-employed.

Heath is a very experienced HC but apparently had a reasonable salary at the G-League.
I truly believe Stan Heath did this not for the money! He made 7 figures at Arkansas and S Florida! E Michigan is where he played college basketball, he met his wife at E Michigan, he wants to restore the glory days! He literally talked constantly about having A packed house similar to Bowen Field House, all the greats from the 80's and early 90's by name! He said he did pay attention on how E Michigan basketball was doing, and he realizes how far this program has fallen! He's from Detroit, Michigan, and he's a Huron and now an Eagle! He said all of this over a 12 minute speech! His enthusiasm was phenomenal, but can he restore the program? I don't mean .500 in the MAC consistently, I mean 14-4, 15-3 MAC records that we were accustomed to for those 10 years! Football and basketball have never come close to those years from 87-92 in both, and basketball from 87-98! Eagle Sam, who I've the upmost respect for on his knowledge of basketball deserves to see A MAC championship! We went to FOUR consecutive MAC title games from 94-98! I sure hope Stan Heath can do it........

What you say is true, but I don't think G-League HCs are paid that well so the salary fit wasn't bad.

Never ask a rich coach (e.g., John B.) to work for a pittance, even if they don't need the money.

Boy, the City of Detroit should hire you to do PR. Remember when Detroit was the Paris of the Midwest. It was considered great. Now it is a city in great decay.

Things change over time. Never know the next great city or next city to go into decline.

I have no idea where we'll be in 3 - 5 years. I'm not a basketball prophet.

The MAC is a middle of the way conference. there are PLENTY of conferences beneath the MAC that we could pull a head coach from - not even counting div 2
https://www.teamrankings.com/ncaa-basketball/rpi-ranking/rpi-rating-by-conf

I can tell you 320K is NOT the median salary for a head coach in D-I. Most MAC coaches are way UNDER paid compared to their school's standing in the rankings.

And as far as hiring a D-II coach. Not by me. Ben Braun was not hired as a non-D-I coach. He was PROMOTED from being an EMU assistant coach. He was a D-I coach at the time. He was working his way up the ladder. Many coaches begin as H.S. coaches and then go onto collegiate careers. Heath actually coached at Ypsilanti Lincoln.

https://emueagles.com/sports/mens-basketball/roster/coaches/stan-heath/1643


RE: New MBB Coaching Thread (Assistant Coach) - dansplaining - 04-21-2021 12:21 PM

(04-21-2021 12:06 PM)emu steve Wrote:  
(04-21-2021 11:27 AM)dansplaining Wrote:  
(04-21-2021 10:38 AM)emu steve Wrote:  
(04-21-2021 10:20 AM)EMUGLORYDAYSthe90s Wrote:  
(04-21-2021 09:26 AM)emu steve Wrote:  DP, I think most agree with you. HOWEVER, it is hard to get an experienced HC to come for what we pay. Are we going to ask a coach in the HL, MVC, etc to take a 33% pay to work for $320K.

Best hope has been to get lucky and find a very good candidate who is unemployed OR under-employed.

Heath is a very experienced HC but apparently had a reasonable salary at the G-League.
I truly believe Stan Heath did this not for the money! He made 7 figures at Arkansas and S Florida! E Michigan is where he played college basketball, he met his wife at E Michigan, he wants to restore the glory days! He literally talked constantly about having A packed house similar to Bowen Field House, all the greats from the 80's and early 90's by name! He said he did pay attention on how E Michigan basketball was doing, and he realizes how far this program has fallen! He's from Detroit, Michigan, and he's a Huron and now an Eagle! He said all of this over a 12 minute speech! His enthusiasm was phenomenal, but can he restore the program? I don't mean .500 in the MAC consistently, I mean 14-4, 15-3 MAC records that we were accustomed to for those 10 years! Football and basketball have never come close to those years from 87-92 in both, and basketball from 87-98! Eagle Sam, who I've the upmost respect for on his knowledge of basketball deserves to see A MAC championship! We went to FOUR consecutive MAC title games from 94-98! I sure hope Stan Heath can do it........

What you say is true, but I don't think G-League HCs are paid that well so the salary fit wasn't bad.

Never ask a rich coach (e.g., John B.) to work for a pittance, even if they don't need the money.

Boy, the City of Detroit should hire you to do PR. Remember when Detroit was the Paris of the Midwest. It was considered great. Now it is a city in great decay.

Things change over time. Never know the next great city or next city to go into decline.

I have no idea where we'll be in 3 - 5 years. I'm not a basketball prophet.

The MAC is a middle of the way conference. there are PLENTY of conferences beneath the MAC that we could pull a head coach from - not even counting div 2
https://www.teamrankings.com/ncaa-basketball/rpi-ranking/rpi-rating-by-conf

I can tell you 320K is NOT the median salary for a head coach in D-I. Most MAC coaches are way UNDER paid compared to their school's standing in the rankings.

And as far as hiring a D-II coach. Not by me. Ben Braun was not hired as a non-D-I coach. He was PROMOTED from being an EMU assistant coach. He was a D-I coach at the time. He was working his way up the ladder. Many coaches begin as H.S. coaches and then go onto collegiate careers. Heath actually coached at Ypsilanti Lincoln.

https://emueagles.com/sports/mens-basketball/roster/coaches/stan-heath/1643

Braun was the head coach at Siena Heights for 8 seasons before taking the EMU assistant position an assistant position that he was promoted to head coach halfway through the first season of. so he basically jumped from the NAIA level to div 1.