(03-31-2021 04:56 PM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  

(03-31-2021 04:43 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(03-31-2021 04:06 PM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  

(03-31-2021 04:03 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  Uhhh, no dope. Not a defense or anything else of anyone or anything. It's a generic kind of question(s). I have no more idea what is actually real here and neither do you. I read the article someone posted on page one and that seems to clear some of it up, it depends on consent and the age restrictions of whatever State the sex may or may have not taken place.

Try harder.

Please be better.

Age of consent is 18. So yes, it's illegal.

There are exceptions that minors aged 16 and 17 can date adults older than 18, but I think 23 is the cut off limit.

Is that a Fed age of consent or does it vary by state? Article on page one said the age in the DC cesspool is 16(!). Does there have to be a "victim" here, a transaction, or can the "State" bring charges regardless?

Asking for a friend.

It varies by state. For instance, in Florida, it's 18, or 16 if you're within in a certain age of the younger individual.

The age of consent in Georgia and Alabama is 16 regardless of circumstances (except if you're an employee of a school).

DC is 16 as long as the older person is not in a position of authority of the younger person. For instance, a pastor, teacher, employer, etc...

When I was a HS senior, I was 17 and dated a 21 year old so we looked these things up to make sure we were in the clear.

I have no idea about the latter portion of your question.

(03-30-2021 07:23 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  I guess that means the IRS will be back to being weaponized again.

(03-31-2021 06:55 AM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  No, hopefully he didn’t do it and these allegations are untrue. If he did do it then hopefully he goes to prison.

Here’s one thing I can tell you. A lot of the things he is saying and which are being reported are verifiable. For example, the FBI will immediately know if his father was wearing a wire for them. They will also know if he was being extorted via text messages? The press will soon know all of that too. They will also know if he booked a plane ticket and/or a hotel room for anyone and the age of that person/those people.

I have no idea if this is true or not? However, there were some very specific allegations being leveled both ways and those are either going to be verified or proven false in fairly short order.

I think the key will be to watch how Fox News covers the story over the next 48-72 hours. I’m sure they are plugged into all of the main sources and if they really go to the wall for him here, that’s a good sign for him. It likely means that they have information that this is all baloney. Conversely, if they begin to walk away from him or turn on him, that’s obviously a really bad sign for Gaetz.

Finally, they could find out that there is veracity to these allegations but defend him anyway. If they do that this will be very messy because his innocence a d victimhood will become canon to Fox News’ many followers while everyone else will be screaming from the rooftops about the absurd hypocrisy of it all.

(03-31-2021 05:09 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  

(03-30-2021 07:23 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  I guess that means the IRS will be back to being weaponized again.

^^^^THIS^^^^

(03-31-2021 07:08 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(03-31-2021 06:55 AM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  No, hopefully he didn’t do it and these allegations are untrue. If he did do it then hopefully he goes to prison.

Here’s one thing I can tell you. A lot of the things he is saying and which are being reported are verifiable. For example, the FBI will immediately know if his father was wearing a wire for them. They will also know if he was being extorted via text messages? The press will soon know all of that too. They will also know if he booked a plane ticket and/or a hotel room for anyone and the age of that person/those people.

I have no idea if this is true or not? However, there were some very specific allegations being leveled both ways and those are either going to be verified or proven false in fairly short order.

I think the key will be to watch how Fox News covers the story over the next 48-72 hours. I’m sure they are plugged into all of the main sources and if they really go to the wall for him here, that’s a good sign for him. It likely means that they have information that this is all baloney. Conversely, if they begin to walk away from him or turn on him, that’s obviously a really bad sign for Gaetz.

Finally, they could find out that there is veracity to these allegations but defend him anyway. If they do that this will be very messy because his innocence a d victimhood will become canon to Fox News’ many followers while everyone else will be screaming from the rooftops about the absurd hypocrisy of it all.

How's this for backing away :

“No one with any level of authority has had conversations with Matt Gaetz for any of our platforms and we have no interest in hiring him,” a Fox News spokesperson said in a statement to TheWrap on Wednesday.
https://www.thewrap.com/fox-news-matt-gaetz-no-interest-hiring/

(03-31-2021 07:16 PM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  

(03-31-2021 07:08 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(03-31-2021 06:55 AM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  No, hopefully he didn’t do it and these allegations are untrue. If he did do it then hopefully he goes to prison.

Here’s one thing I can tell you. A lot of the things he is saying and which are being reported are verifiable. For example, the FBI will immediately know if his father was wearing a wire for them. They will also know if he was being extorted via text messages? The press will soon know all of that too. They will also know if he booked a plane ticket and/or a hotel room for anyone and the age of that person/those people.

I have no idea if this is true or not? However, there were some very specific allegations being leveled both ways and those are either going to be verified or proven false in fairly short order.

I think the key will be to watch how Fox News covers the story over the next 48-72 hours. I’m sure they are plugged into all of the main sources and if they really go to the wall for him here, that’s a good sign for him. It likely means that they have information that this is all baloney. Conversely, if they begin to walk away from him or turn on him, that’s obviously a really bad sign for Gaetz.

Finally, they could find out that there is veracity to these allegations but defend him anyway. If they do that this will be very messy because his innocence a d victimhood will become canon to Fox News’ many followers while everyone else will be screaming from the rooftops about the absurd hypocrisy of it all.

How's this for backing away :

“No one with any level of authority has had conversations with Matt Gaetz for any of our platforms and we have no interest in hiring him,” a Fox News spokesperson said in a statement to TheWrap on Wednesday.
https://www.thewrap.com/fox-news-matt-gaetz-no-interest-hiring/

Probably why he's going to Newsmax. What's the point?

(03-31-2021 03:46 PM)Morkai Wrote:  

(03-31-2021 03:43 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(03-31-2021 11:57 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(03-31-2021 11:41 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(03-31-2021 11:18 AM)maximus Wrote:  Where did I mention anything about Barr?

BTW, if the facts come out he did this he should be thrown in prison.

I will also say, its known that Clinton flew with Epstein and was on his island with underage girls, where is that investigation?

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Yeesh.


If you want to cover Clinton...go find another thread.

I agree. We need a thread on people who have legitimate evidence of child trafficking and underage sex, and we'll include Clinton in that one. (As well as Ghislane, who was just indicted)

No need to lump people who arent in the same boat in the same thread.

Someone clear me up here on this "trafficking" thing. If the girl is 17 and this is/was a consensual relationship (Read: not a prostitution thing), is that illegal? Can a 17YO and a 26 YO marry if they want too? How about if it's the female who is the 26YO?
Why does this magically change in some period of months marking 18YO?

What if the 17YO says frack off, he did nothing I wasn't comfortable with and willing? IOW's has no interest in seeing any charges as she was a willing participant?

Seems pretty arbitrary to me, we're allowing toddlers to pick their own sex these days, is this really a concern?

I see we've reached the "so WHAT if a middle-aged congressman had sex with a minor?" portion of the right-wing defense.

(03-31-2021 08:03 PM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  

(03-31-2021 08:22 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(03-31-2021 08:03 PM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  

Seeing as how Florida is the retirement capital of the U.S. the context you are framing this in is highly questionable.

Not that you care at all, but I'm just saying.

The chances that he was referring to children here is virtually zero. The chances he was talking about senior citizens is in the upper 99.999% range.

(03-31-2021 09:11 PM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  

(03-31-2021 08:22 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(03-31-2021 08:03 PM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  

Seeing as how Florida is the retirement capital of the U.S. the context you are framing this in is highly questionable.

Not that you care at all, but I'm just saying.

The chances that he was referring to children here is virtually zero. The chances he was talking about senior citizens is in the upper 99.999% range.

Gaetz likes to troll, this guy is trolling back.

(03-31-2021 07:08 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(03-31-2021 06:55 AM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  No, hopefully he didn’t do it and these allegations are untrue. If he did do it then hopefully he goes to prison.

Here’s one thing I can tell you. A lot of the things he is saying and which are being reported are verifiable. For example, the FBI will immediately know if his father was wearing a wire for them. They will also know if he was being extorted via text messages? The press will soon know all of that too. They will also know if he booked a plane ticket and/or a hotel room for anyone and the age of that person/those people.

I have no idea if this is true or not? However, there were some very specific allegations being leveled both ways and those are either going to be verified or proven false in fairly short order.

I think the key will be to watch how Fox News covers the story over the next 48-72 hours. I’m sure they are plugged into all of the main sources and if they really go to the wall for him here, that’s a good sign for him. It likely means that they have information that this is all baloney. Conversely, if they begin to walk away from him or turn on him, that’s obviously a really bad sign for Gaetz.

Finally, they could find out that there is veracity to these allegations but defend him anyway. If they do that this will be very messy because his innocence a d victimhood will become canon to Fox News’ many followers while everyone else will be screaming from the rooftops about the absurd hypocrisy of it all.

How's this for backing away :

“No one with any level of authority has had conversations with Matt Gaetz for any of our platforms and we have no interest in hiring him,” a Fox News spokesperson said in a statement to TheWrap on Wednesday.
https://www.thewrap.com/fox-news-matt-gaetz-no-interest-hiring/

Quote:The saga of Matt Gaetz continues apace. Last night, it was reported that he was under FBI investigation for sleeping with a 17-year-old and paying for her travel. Later, Gaetz would appear on Tucker Carlson’s show to deny the charges and claim that a man named David McGee had tried to extort him and his father in exchange for favorable treatment.

Today, Gaetz’s father provided an email proving he was, indeed, working with the FBI. Here’s the text of that.

“I can confirm that your client is working with my office as well as the FBI at the government’s request in order to determine if a federal crime has been committed. This has been discussed with, and approved by, the FBI as well as leadership in my office and components of main justice.”

“The government thanks you for working cooperatively with the FBI,” the email concludes.

Given these latest revelations, the mainstream media had to shift their talking points, which is a common strategy. They will obscure details or not look into them until other sources force them to admit they exist. At that point, the next drop happens. The New York Times didn’t originally mention any extortion attempt or similar in their report, though they almost certainly knew of the allegation. Yet, now The Washington Post is doing so.

Well, they are sort of doing so.

Rep. Matt Gaetz, a Florida Republican known for his fierce allegiance to former president Donald Trump, had been under Justice Department investigation for months for a possible sex crime when two men approached his father with a proposal, people familiar with the matter said.

The men had learned of the investigation, they wrote to Don Gaetz, and wanted to offer an opportunity to help his son, the people said. He could give a huge sum of money to fund their effort to locate Robert A. Levinson — the longest held American hostage in Iran whose family has said they were told he is dead. If the operation was a success, he would win favor with the U.S. government and help alleviate Matt Gaetz’s legal woes.

But Don Gaetz, a prominent Florida Republican who once led the state Senate, viewed the communication suspiciously, the people said, speaking on the condition of anonymity to describe a continuing and politically sensitive probe. The investigation into Matt Gaetz’s alleged crime — he is suspected of having sex with a 17-year-old girl, as well as funding her travel — was not public knowledge. Fearing his family was being extorted, Don Gaetz contacted the FBI.

How do you admit that Gaetz was telling the truth (in this specific instance) without giving credence to his charges? You do so by calling what appears to be an extortion attempt — or a solicitation of a bribe — as just a “proposal.” To be clear, we can’t know for sure what happened here, but the Post’s sources describe the event as Gaetz’s father being propositioned for a “huge sum” of money, in exchange for favor with the U.S. government, in order to help the younger Gaetz with his legal troubles.

What does that sound like to you? It was the Post’s editorial decision to downplay this incident, and perhaps what took place does or doesn’t meet the legal definition of extortion, but it’s certainly not just a harmless proposal and would almost certainly constitute a crime.

As RedState reported earlier, though, David McGee denies the accusation that he was trying to extort Gaetz’s father. Regardless, if he made the proposal alleged by the Post here, it’s a big deal, and it won’t matter how he personally chooses to characterize it. What will matter is how the FBI and DOJ view it, and then if they choose to pursue it. Something smells way off here, and McGee’s involvement is going to become a huge point of contention going forward.

Lastly, to further complicate matters, it is possible that Gaetz is both guilty and still telling the truth about the extortion attempt.

There’s a lot we don’t know yet, and it would help if the DOJ would be more transparent, given what is already out in the open. I realize protocols are in place, but those have been broken before when dealing with political figures. Is Gaetz under investigation? Is McGee under investigation? Inquiring minds and all that.

(03-31-2021 09:24 PM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  

(03-31-2021 07:08 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(03-31-2021 06:55 AM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  No, hopefully he didn’t do it and these allegations are untrue. If he did do it then hopefully he goes to prison.

Here’s one thing I can tell you. A lot of the things he is saying and which are being reported are verifiable. For example, the FBI will immediately know if his father was wearing a wire for them. They will also know if he was being extorted via text messages? The press will soon know all of that too. They will also know if he booked a plane ticket and/or a hotel room for anyone and the age of that person/those people.

I have no idea if this is true or not? However, there were some very specific allegations being leveled both ways and those are either going to be verified or proven false in fairly short order.

I think the key will be to watch how Fox News covers the story over the next 48-72 hours. I’m sure they are plugged into all of the main sources and if they really go to the wall for him here, that’s a good sign for him. It likely means that they have information that this is all baloney. Conversely, if they begin to walk away from him or turn on him, that’s obviously a really bad sign for Gaetz.

Finally, they could find out that there is veracity to these allegations but defend him anyway. If they do that this will be very messy because his innocence a d victimhood will become canon to Fox News’ many followers while everyone else will be screaming from the rooftops about the absurd hypocrisy of it all.

How's this for backing away :

“No one with any level of authority has had conversations with Matt Gaetz for any of our platforms and we have no interest in hiring him,” a Fox News spokesperson said in a statement to TheWrap on Wednesday.
https://www.thewrap.com/fox-news-matt-gaetz-no-interest-hiring/

That definitely catches one’s eye. That’s a substantial distancing statement by Fox News and that is obviously not a good harbinger for Congressman Gaetz.

(03-31-2021 07:08 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(03-31-2021 06:55 AM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  No, hopefully he didn’t do it and these allegations are untrue. If he did do it then hopefully he goes to prison.

Here’s one thing I can tell you. A lot of the things he is saying and which are being reported are verifiable. For example, the FBI will immediately know if his father was wearing a wire for them. They will also know if he was being extorted via text messages? The press will soon know all of that too. They will also know if he booked a plane ticket and/or a hotel room for anyone and the age of that person/those people.

I have no idea if this is true or not? However, there were some very specific allegations being leveled both ways and those are either going to be verified or proven false in fairly short order.

I think the key will be to watch how Fox News covers the story over the next 48-72 hours. I’m sure they are plugged into all of the main sources and if they really go to the wall for him here, that’s a good sign for him. It likely means that they have information that this is all baloney. Conversely, if they begin to walk away from him or turn on him, that’s obviously a really bad sign for Gaetz.

Finally, they could find out that there is veracity to these allegations but defend him anyway. If they do that this will be very messy because his innocence a d victimhood will become canon to Fox News’ many followers while everyone else will be screaming from the rooftops about the absurd hypocrisy of it all.

How's this for backing away :

“No one with any level of authority has had conversations with Matt Gaetz for any of our platforms and we have no interest in hiring him,” a Fox News spokesperson said in a statement to TheWrap on Wednesday.
https://www.thewrap.com/fox-news-matt-gaetz-no-interest-hiring/

(03-31-2021 07:15 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  For this reason "UNDER INVESTIGATION BY DOJ" people who make fun of VP Mike Pence for not meeting in private with a woman, take NOTE, if you don't have witnesses it is IMPOSSIBLE to prove your innocence when a woman makes an accusation. In the WOKE society of the US, the accusation alone is enough to ruin a man. Matt Gaetz is effectively CANCELED.

(03-31-2021 09:54 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(03-31-2021 07:08 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(03-31-2021 06:55 AM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  No, hopefully he didn’t do it and these allegations are untrue. If he did do it then hopefully he goes to prison.

Here’s one thing I can tell you. A lot of the things he is saying and which are being reported are verifiable. For example, the FBI will immediately know if his father was wearing a wire for them. They will also know if he was being extorted via text messages? The press will soon know all of that too. They will also know if he booked a plane ticket and/or a hotel room for anyone and the age of that person/those people.

I have no idea if this is true or not? However, there were some very specific allegations being leveled both ways and those are either going to be verified or proven false in fairly short order.

I think the key will be to watch how Fox News covers the story over the next 48-72 hours. I’m sure they are plugged into all of the main sources and if they really go to the wall for him here, that’s a good sign for him. It likely means that they have information that this is all baloney. Conversely, if they begin to walk away from him or turn on him, that’s obviously a really bad sign for Gaetz.

Finally, they could find out that there is veracity to these allegations but defend him anyway. If they do that this will be very messy because his innocence a d victimhood will become canon to Fox News’ many followers while everyone else will be screaming from the rooftops about the absurd hypocrisy of it all.

How's this for backing away :

“No one with any level of authority has had conversations with Matt Gaetz for any of our platforms and we have no interest in hiring him,” a Fox News spokesperson said in a statement to TheWrap on Wednesday.
https://www.thewrap.com/fox-news-matt-gaetz-no-interest-hiring/

Has anyone suggested differently? As in he’s been offered a job?

I saw NewsMax, but that’d be serious pay cut, but was also part of the hiking rumor.

Who brought up Faux News?