(06-05-2022 02:30 PM)jimrtex Wrote:  

(06-05-2022 02:19 PM)Todor Wrote:  

(06-05-2022 02:08 PM)jimrtex Wrote:  

(06-05-2022 12:24 PM)Todor Wrote:  

(06-05-2022 12:18 PM)jimrtex Wrote:  Could you give some examples?

Additional examples? No.

The Texas schools are playing in football at SMU, NMSU, Louisiana Tech, TCU, A&M, Missouri, and Nevada.

Ok. Why are you telling me this? I get the sense you are trying to argue some point without telling me what it is.

You had typed the bolded part. I simply wanted examples.

(06-05-2022 11:50 AM)Todor Wrote:  

(06-05-2022 11:07 AM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  

(06-05-2022 10:50 AM)Todor Wrote:  The Texas schools that joined the WAC don’t seem very willing to play the western schools because of the distance. But when you look at their many of their non conference schedules in many sports, they clearly have no problem flying all over the country to play anyone, anytime, anywhere.

So I suspect what they are doing is trying to boost home attendance and revenue, get the locals who are mostly not interested, to connect and identify with their school by being in a league with other local schools. That’s fine, and it’s not a bad strategy, but it inherently comes with being tied to those schools, like they were in the Southland.

When you branch out and join a conference with schools that you don’t really want to play or travel to in the hopes you can carve out a division where you never have to play them, it creates an inherent tension and conflict as we have seen with the rapid departure of 2 of the Texas 4 after just 1 year.

You are pushing your own agenda and rhetoric by lumping Sam Houston State and Lamar together. One went to FBS and a “better” conference. The other “downgraded” and returned to their original conference. Those are two very different things.

You’re right, and I was to an extent. But plenty of SHSU fans didn’t like the WAC travel, wanted to play their local teams and DIDN’T want to travel to Seattle, Riverside, or Orem, at least when they were FCS and we’re comparing the travel to their time in an FCS Southland.

A lot don’t like their move to CUSA either for similar reasons. Lamar and SHS may be headed in opposite directions, but the stupidity of joining the WAC, then complaining about where it’s members are located was just the same. Lamar addressed that issue directly, SHS addressed it by changing the topic, so to speak. FBS required a sidestep of the issue of travel, location, rivalries etc. It’s still there, mind you, but it’s secondary for now since there is another expansive and shiny new topic to dangle in front of their few fans

I’m no more convinced either school has a clue what it’s doing than I was when they joined the WAC.

(06-05-2022 04:47 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(06-05-2022 11:50 AM)Todor Wrote:  

(06-05-2022 11:07 AM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  

(06-05-2022 10:50 AM)Todor Wrote:  The Texas schools that joined the WAC don’t seem very willing to play the western schools because of the distance. But when you look at their many of their non conference schedules in many sports, they clearly have no problem flying all over the country to play anyone, anytime, anywhere.

So I suspect what they are doing is trying to boost home attendance and revenue, get the locals who are mostly not interested, to connect and identify with their school by being in a league with other local schools. That’s fine, and it’s not a bad strategy, but it inherently comes with being tied to those schools, like they were in the Southland.

When you branch out and join a conference with schools that you don’t really want to play or travel to in the hopes you can carve out a division where you never have to play them, it creates an inherent tension and conflict as we have seen with the rapid departure of 2 of the Texas 4 after just 1 year.

You are pushing your own agenda and rhetoric by lumping Sam Houston State and Lamar together. One went to FBS and a “better” conference. The other “downgraded” and returned to their original conference. Those are two very different things.

You’re right, and I was to an extent. But plenty of SHSU fans didn’t like the WAC travel, wanted to play their local teams and DIDN’T want to travel to Seattle, Riverside, or Orem, at least when they were FCS and we’re comparing the travel to their time in an FCS Southland.

A lot don’t like their move to CUSA either for similar reasons. Lamar and SHS may be headed in opposite directions, but the stupidity of joining the WAC, then complaining about where it’s members are located was just the same. Lamar addressed that issue directly, SHS addressed it by changing the topic, so to speak. FBS required a sidestep of the issue of travel, location, rivalries etc. It’s still there, mind you, but it’s secondary for now since there is another expansive and shiny new topic to dangle in front of their few fans

I’m no more convinced either school has a clue what it’s doing than I was when they joined the WAC.

Lamar wanted to move to FBS as well. But, going back to Southland Conference is a downgrade.

(06-05-2022 04:58 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  Yes David, please show us the 10 year old article about them wanting FBS! Still waiting on those dates for all the teams moving from FCS to FBS!

(06-05-2022 09:50 PM)MattBrownEP Wrote:  I believe fans err when they assume that all of the Texas schools in this league think and act the same way. They have different political constituencies, different athletic department goals, and different financial considerations.

I can tell you that the idea of playing athletic events in Utah is seen explicitly as a benefit for SFA and ACU. That clearly wasn't the case for Lamar.

(06-06-2022 12:27 AM)Todor Wrote:  

(06-05-2022 09:50 PM)MattBrownEP Wrote:  I believe fans err when they assume that all of the Texas schools in this league think and act the same way. They have different political constituencies, different athletic department goals, and different financial considerations.

I can tell you that the idea of playing athletic events in Utah is seen explicitly as a benefit for SFA and ACU. That clearly wasn't the case for Lamar.

So much so they worked to have divisions that ensured they would almost never go there in any sport. One road trip in basketball is the only time I see ACU playing any WAC games in Utah in any sport last year.

If, for some bizarre reason, either of those Texas schools want to travel to Utah, they failed miserably.

If any of the 4 Texas schools “think or act differently” they do are dumb for going along with schools who don’t share their vision, and voluntarily joining a new conference with them and helping create a situation that runs counter to their institutional interests.

They appear to have wanted to stick it to the Southland so bad, they shot themselves in the foot in order to do so. And it’s no wonder they ended up getting kicked out in the process.

(06-06-2022 07:34 AM)jimrtex Wrote:  

(06-06-2022 12:27 AM)Todor Wrote:  

(06-05-2022 09:50 PM)MattBrownEP Wrote:  I believe fans err when they assume that all of the Texas schools in this league think and act the same way. They have different political constituencies, different athletic department goals, and different financial considerations.

I can tell you that the idea of playing athletic events in Utah is seen explicitly as a benefit for SFA and ACU. That clearly wasn't the case for Lamar.

So much so they worked to have divisions that ensured they would almost never go there in any sport. One road trip in basketball is the only time I see ACU playing any WAC games in Utah in any sport last year.

If, for some bizarre reason, either of those Texas schools want to travel to Utah, they failed miserably.

If any of the 4 Texas schools “think or act differently” they do are dumb for going along with schools who don’t share their vision, and voluntarily joining a new conference with them and helping create a situation that runs counter to their institutional interests.

They appear to have wanted to stick it to the Southland so bad, they shot themselves in the foot in order to do so. And it’s no wonder they ended up getting kicked out in the process.

The WAC now has 8 Texas schools and will have 6 after SFA and Lamar leave. They should be working on getting TAMU-CC and any of the Lone Star schools that decide to move up.

NMSU has fond memories of a league with UMKC and Chicago State and any other school that wanted to move to DI. The good old days are over. Move on.

(06-06-2022 09:20 AM)SMUstang Wrote:  

(06-06-2022 07:34 AM)jimrtex Wrote:  

(06-06-2022 12:27 AM)Todor Wrote:  

(06-05-2022 09:50 PM)MattBrownEP Wrote:  I believe fans err when they assume that all of the Texas schools in this league think and act the same way. They have different political constituencies, different athletic department goals, and different financial considerations.

I can tell you that the idea of playing athletic events in Utah is seen explicitly as a benefit for SFA and ACU. That clearly wasn't the case for Lamar.

So much so they worked to have divisions that ensured they would almost never go there in any sport. One road trip in basketball is the only time I see ACU playing any WAC games in Utah in any sport last year.

If, for some bizarre reason, either of those Texas schools want to travel to Utah, they failed miserably.

If any of the 4 Texas schools “think or act differently” they do are dumb for going along with schools who don’t share their vision, and voluntarily joining a new conference with them and helping create a situation that runs counter to their institutional interests.

They appear to have wanted to stick it to the Southland so bad, they shot themselves in the foot in order to do so. And it’s no wonder they ended up getting kicked out in the process.

The WAC now has 8 Texas schools and will have 6 after SFA and Lamar leave. They should be working on getting TAMU-CC and any of the Lone Star schools that decide to move up.

NMSU has fond memories of a league with UMKC and Chicago State and any other school that wanted to move to DI. The good old days are over. Move on.

I disagree, the WAC currently has ACU, SFA, Tarleton State, UTA, and UTRGV. That’s 5. Lamar is already gone. And SHSU is essentially gone. SFA is going nowhere. UIW may or may not join the WAC, but is currently in the Southland. NMSU likes to play more prestigious schools. They have good basketball and always have had.

(06-06-2022 09:20 AM)SMUstang Wrote:  

(06-06-2022 07:34 AM)jimrtex Wrote:  

(06-06-2022 12:27 AM)Todor Wrote:  

(06-05-2022 09:50 PM)MattBrownEP Wrote:  I believe fans err when they assume that all of the Texas schools in this league think and act the same way. They have different political constituencies, different athletic department goals, and different financial considerations.

I can tell you that the idea of playing athletic events in Utah is seen explicitly as a benefit for SFA and ACU. That clearly wasn't the case for Lamar.

So much so they worked to have divisions that ensured they would almost never go there in any sport. One road trip in basketball is the only time I see ACU playing any WAC games in Utah in any sport last year.

If, for some bizarre reason, either of those Texas schools want to travel to Utah, they failed miserably.

If any of the 4 Texas schools “think or act differently” they do are dumb for going along with schools who don’t share their vision, and voluntarily joining a new conference with them and helping create a situation that runs counter to their institutional interests.

They appear to have wanted to stick it to the Southland so bad, they shot themselves in the foot in order to do so. And it’s no wonder they ended up getting kicked out in the process.

The WAC now has 8 Texas schools and will have 6 after SFA and Lamar leave. They should be working on getting TAMU-CC and any of the Lone Star schools that decide to move up.

NMSU has fond memories of a league with UMKC and Chicago State and any other school that wanted to move to DI. The good old days are over. Move on.

I disagree, the WAC currently has ACU, SFA, Tarleton State, UTA, and UTRGV. That’s 5. Lamar is already gone. And SHSU is essentially gone. SFA is going nowhere. UIW may or may not join the WAC, but is currently in the Southland. NMSU likes to play more prestigious schools. They have good basketball and always have had.

(06-06-2022 09:35 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(06-06-2022 09:20 AM)SMUstang Wrote:  

(06-06-2022 07:34 AM)jimrtex Wrote:  

(06-06-2022 12:27 AM)Todor Wrote:  

(06-05-2022 09:50 PM)MattBrownEP Wrote:  I believe fans err when they assume that all of the Texas schools in this league think and act the same way. They have different political constituencies, different athletic department goals, and different financial considerations.

I can tell you that the idea of playing athletic events in Utah is seen explicitly as a benefit for SFA and ACU. That clearly wasn't the case for Lamar.

So much so they worked to have divisions that ensured they would almost never go there in any sport. One road trip in basketball is the only time I see ACU playing any WAC games in Utah in any sport last year.

If, for some bizarre reason, either of those Texas schools want to travel to Utah, they failed miserably.

If any of the 4 Texas schools “think or act differently” they do are dumb for going along with schools who don’t share their vision, and voluntarily joining a new conference with them and helping create a situation that runs counter to their institutional interests.

They appear to have wanted to stick it to the Southland so bad, they shot themselves in the foot in order to do so. And it’s no wonder they ended up getting kicked out in the process.

The WAC now has 8 Texas schools and will have 6 after SFA and Lamar leave. They should be working on getting TAMU-CC and any of the Lone Star schools that decide to move up.

NMSU has fond memories of a league with UMKC and Chicago State and any other school that wanted to move to DI. The good old days are over. Move on.

I disagree, the WAC currently has ACU, SFA, Tarleton State, UTA, and UTRGV. That’s 5. Lamar is already gone. And SHSU is essentially gone. SFA is going nowhere. UIW may or may not join the WAC, but is currently in the Southland. NMSU likes to play more prestigious schools. They have good basketball and always have had.

It's June 6. Incarnate Word is scheduled to join the WAC on July 1. So that's only 24 days to break the entry agreement with the WAC.

(06-06-2022 09:20 AM)SMUstang Wrote:  

(06-06-2022 07:34 AM)jimrtex Wrote:  

(06-06-2022 12:27 AM)Todor Wrote:  

(06-05-2022 09:50 PM)MattBrownEP Wrote:  I believe fans err when they assume that all of the Texas schools in this league think and act the same way. They have different political constituencies, different athletic department goals, and different financial considerations.

I can tell you that the idea of playing athletic events in Utah is seen explicitly as a benefit for SFA and ACU. That clearly wasn't the case for Lamar.

So much so they worked to have divisions that ensured they would almost never go there in any sport. One road trip in basketball is the only time I see ACU playing any WAC games in Utah in any sport last year.

If, for some bizarre reason, either of those Texas schools want to travel to Utah, they failed miserably.

If any of the 4 Texas schools “think or act differently” they do are dumb for going along with schools who don’t share their vision, and voluntarily joining a new conference with them and helping create a situation that runs counter to their institutional interests.

They appear to have wanted to stick it to the Southland so bad, they shot themselves in the foot in order to do so. And it’s no wonder they ended up getting kicked out in the process.

The WAC now has 8 Texas schools and will have 6 after SFA and Lamar leave. They should be working on getting TAMU-CC and any of the Lone Star schools that decide to move up.

NMSU has fond memories of a league with UMKC and Chicago State and any other school that wanted to move to DI. The good old days are over. Move on.

I disagree, the WAC currently has ACU, SFA, Tarleton State, UTA, and UTRGV. That’s 5. Lamar is already gone. And SHSU is essentially gone. SFA is going nowhere. UIW may or may not join the WAC, but is currently in the Southland. NMSU likes to play more prestigious schools. They have good basketball and always have had.

(06-06-2022 09:20 AM)SMUstang Wrote:  

(06-06-2022 07:34 AM)jimrtex Wrote:  

(06-06-2022 12:27 AM)Todor Wrote:  

(06-05-2022 09:50 PM)MattBrownEP Wrote:  I believe fans err when they assume that all of the Texas schools in this league think and act the same way. They have different political constituencies, different athletic department goals, and different financial considerations.

I can tell you that the idea of playing athletic events in Utah is seen explicitly as a benefit for SFA and ACU. That clearly wasn't the case for Lamar.

So much so they worked to have divisions that ensured they would almost never go there in any sport. One road trip in basketball is the only time I see ACU playing any WAC games in Utah in any sport last year.

If, for some bizarre reason, either of those Texas schools want to travel to Utah, they failed miserably.

If any of the 4 Texas schools “think or act differently” they do are dumb for going along with schools who don’t share their vision, and voluntarily joining a new conference with them and helping create a situation that runs counter to their institutional interests.

They appear to have wanted to stick it to the Southland so bad, they shot themselves in the foot in order to do so. And it’s no wonder they ended up getting kicked out in the process.

The WAC now has 8 Texas schools and will have 6 after SFA and Lamar leave. They should be working on getting TAMU-CC and any of the Lone Star schools that decide to move up.

NMSU has fond memories of a league with UMKC and Chicago State and any other school that wanted to move to DI. The good old days are over. Move on.

I disagree, the WAC currently has ACU, SFA, Tarleton State, UTA, and UTRGV. That’s 5. Lamar is already gone. And SHSU is essentially gone. SFA is going nowhere. UIW may or may not join the WAC, but is currently in the Southland. NMSU likes to play more prestigious schools. They have good basketball and always have had.

(06-06-2022 10:49 AM)jimrtex Wrote:  In 2013 the WAC still had leftovers after the formation of the Mountain West. In 2014, Utah State, San Jose State, Texas State, UTSA, Louisiana Tech, Texas-Arlington, and Devenr left, and Chicago State, UMKC, UVU, Grand Canyon, CSU-Bakersfield, and UTRGV joined. NMSU, Seattle, and Idaho were the only holdovers.

(06-06-2022 11:05 AM)inutech Wrote:  

(06-06-2022 10:49 AM)jimrtex Wrote:  In 2013 the WAC still had leftovers after the formation of the Mountain West. In 2014, Utah State, San Jose State, Texas State, UTSA, Louisiana Tech, Texas-Arlington, and Denver left, and Chicago State, UMKC, UVU, Grand Canyon, CSU-Bakersfield, and UTRGV joined. NMSU, Seattle, and Idaho were the only holdovers.

I think you're a year off. 2012 would have been the last year of WAC FBS football. I know Louisiana Tech and UTSA played in CUSA for the 2013 football season.

(06-06-2022 10:48 AM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  LU Sports Fan, the Mustang guy knows very little about the WAC. He probably got confused. Which is easy to do when you’re not a fan of something.

(06-06-2022 12:45 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  Matt, when will we know what UIW is doing? Also Howard. We are in June now, and the NCAA season flip on July 1st.