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RE: Looking to next year: Hoops - Gary Miller - 03-10-2021 11:59 AM (03-10-2021 11:46 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:(03-10-2021 11:17 AM)82hawk Wrote:When a "short term solution" ends up costing a player a whole year(25% of their college ball) it's kind of a big deal. Dan spears posted his shooting stats since he started playing the 5, they were eye opening.(03-10-2021 09:12 AM)jumpinmullet Wrote:(03-09-2021 08:00 PM)70shawk Wrote:(03-09-2021 09:25 AM)B_Hawk06 Wrote: Welcome back? I like Boggs a lot, definitely is a talented kid... I think his transferring was more in part to him not wanting to be frontcourt player in general. He wants to be a 2/3 not a 4/5. There are other systems in which he can play that position. He doesn't have handles or shot creation yet to do that here. I wish him the best and hope he finds the right fit. RE: Looking to next year: Hoops - jumpinmullet - 03-10-2021 12:55 PM (03-10-2021 11:17 AM)82hawk Wrote:Again the player can only go what information he has and make an informed decision from that. Siddle is the coach and he played him out of position for an entire season for the most part. Siddle could have gone zone or mixed in other gimmicks to hide what he felt like was not working but he didn't do it . What would be ridiculous is for the player to not have his own best interest in mind at this point with a new coach who didn't recruit him and a year's worth of info to go on. Transfers are a huge part of basketball now and I would think Siddle will try to get in on some himself.(03-10-2021 09:12 AM)jumpinmullet Wrote:(03-09-2021 08:00 PM)70shawk Wrote:(03-09-2021 09:25 AM)B_Hawk06 Wrote:(03-08-2021 07:36 PM)jumpinmullet Wrote: I am a big fan of Boggs transferring out of this system. He has a chance to be really good and it will not happen at UNCW. RE: Looking to next year: Hoops - jumpinmullet - 03-10-2021 12:57 PM (03-10-2021 11:59 AM)Gary Miller Wrote:(03-10-2021 11:46 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:(03-10-2021 11:17 AM)82hawk Wrote:When a "short term solution" ends up costing a player a whole year(25% of their college ball) it's kind of a big deal. Dan spears posted his shooting stats since he started playing the 5, they were eye opening.(03-10-2021 09:12 AM)jumpinmullet Wrote:(03-09-2021 08:00 PM)70shawk Wrote: I didn't exactly understand his point, but I am glad The Mullet is back! I could not agree more. Weight room and ball skills all summer for him. RE: Looking to next year: Hoops - 82hawk - 03-10-2021 02:08 PM (03-10-2021 12:55 PM)jumpinmullet Wrote:(03-10-2021 11:17 AM)82hawk Wrote:Again the player can only go what information he has and make an informed decision from that. Siddle is the coach and he played him out of position for an entire season for the most part. Siddle could have gone zone or mixed in other gimmicks to hide what he felt like was not working but he didn't do it . What would be ridiculous is for the player to not have his own best interest in mind at this point with a new coach who didn't recruit him and a year's worth of info to go on. Transfers are a huge part of basketball now and I would think Siddle will try to get in on some himself.(03-10-2021 09:12 AM)jumpinmullet Wrote:(03-09-2021 08:00 PM)70shawk Wrote:(03-09-2021 09:25 AM)B_Hawk06 Wrote: Welcome back? I'm not disagreeing at all about his right or decision to transfer, but there is no way it was because Siddle indicated he was going to play the 5 the rest of his career at UNCW. I also don't disagree that it may have been a mistake for Siddle to press him into playing the 5 this year. We weren't going to make it out of the CAA tournament anyhow, so may as well have let Dodd play the 5. But, that's where the problem came in with Pridgen. Pridgen could only really play the 4, which is where Boggs would have played, so those two would have been battling over PT from here on out. Boggs wasn't going to play the 3 at UNCW, and I agree with another statement that he really doesn't have the ball handling skills to play the 3. He's a 4 whether he likes it or not. But now, we've lost both guys that would be a 4 for Siddle, which means it will probably go to Sims next year, unless he slides over to the 3 if Okauru doesn't stay in the 2 spot. RE: Looking to next year: Hoops - 70shawk - 03-10-2021 04:13 PM (03-10-2021 02:08 PM)82hawk Wrote:(03-10-2021 12:55 PM)jumpinmullet Wrote:(03-10-2021 11:17 AM)82hawk Wrote:Again the player can only go what information he has and make an informed decision from that. Siddle is the coach and he played him out of position for an entire season for the most part. Siddle could have gone zone or mixed in other gimmicks to hide what he felt like was not working but he didn't do it . What would be ridiculous is for the player to not have his own best interest in mind at this point with a new coach who didn't recruit him and a year's worth of info to go on. Transfers are a huge part of basketball now and I would think Siddle will try to get in on some himself.(03-10-2021 09:12 AM)jumpinmullet Wrote:(03-09-2021 08:00 PM)70shawk Wrote: I didn't exactly understand his point, but I am glad The Mullet is back! We are certainly in an era - this year in particular - when players are not disposed to stick around to play a role in coaches' long term plans when the those plans don't mesh with own plans given their few short career years. The old "do what's best for the team" line doesn't work so well when players know that coaches most definitely are NOT -prone to do what's in the team's best interest when a better job offer comes along. I don't blame Kevin Eastman, Jerry Wainwright, or Kevin Keatts for ultimately doing what they thought was bettering themselves (didn't include Brownell in that list because UNCW let him get away to a lateral situation). How can we blame players for doing the same thing? RE: Looking to next year: Hoops - Seahawkhoops - 03-10-2021 04:30 PM (03-10-2021 04:13 PM)70shawk Wrote:I guess that depends on which way you look at it. Pretty much every player that's left for a bigger school in my 20 years of following has not done much there with the exception of Maybe CJ. And even with his contribution at State it's not near the level of legend he could have had if he stayed at UNCW. So, while the coaches you mentioned clearly went on to a bigger pay day and bigger job, does going up a level to ride the pine beat staying and being a stud at this level? IMO it doesn't but, that's just me(03-10-2021 02:08 PM)82hawk Wrote:(03-10-2021 12:55 PM)jumpinmullet Wrote:(03-10-2021 11:17 AM)82hawk Wrote:Again the player can only go what information he has and make an informed decision from that. Siddle is the coach and he played him out of position for an entire season for the most part. Siddle could have gone zone or mixed in other gimmicks to hide what he felt like was not working but he didn't do it . What would be ridiculous is for the player to not have his own best interest in mind at this point with a new coach who didn't recruit him and a year's worth of info to go on. Transfers are a huge part of basketball now and I would think Siddle will try to get in on some himself.(03-10-2021 09:12 AM)jumpinmullet Wrote: My point is that Boggs saw the hand writing on the wall and decided he didn't want to play center . I like him,his Dad is a good dude and they did not sign up for this. I support the player making the decision based on evidence-good for him. RE: Looking to next year: Hoops - 70shawk - 03-10-2021 04:45 PM (03-10-2021 04:30 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:(03-10-2021 04:13 PM)70shawk Wrote:I guess that depends on which way you look at it. Pretty much every player that's left for a bigger school in my 20 years of following has not done much there with the exception of Maybe CJ. And even with his contribution at State it's not near the level of legend he could have had if he stayed at UNCW. So, while the coaches you mentioned clearly went on to a bigger pay day and bigger job, does going up a level to ride the pine beat staying and being a stud at this level? IMO it doesn't but, that's just me(03-10-2021 02:08 PM)82hawk Wrote:(03-10-2021 12:55 PM)jumpinmullet Wrote:(03-10-2021 11:17 AM)82hawk Wrote: That's ridiculous. There is no way on earth Siddle saw Boggs as a long term 5. Had he known how bad Dodd and Bowen were at the 5, he'd have rescinded their scholarships and gone after some players for the 5. Boggs was a short term solution at the 5.Again the player can only go what information he has and make an informed decision from that. Siddle is the coach and he played him out of position for an entire season for the most part. Siddle could have gone zone or mixed in other gimmicks to hide what he felt like was not working but he didn't do it . What would be ridiculous is for the player to not have his own best interest in mind at this point with a new coach who didn't recruit him and a year's worth of info to go on. Transfers are a huge part of basketball now and I would think Siddle will try to get in on some himself. Not arguing with you on that point. Just saying that - even if they are wrong - players should have as much right to move as their coaches. As an aside, after the headlines about four players entering the transfer portal, I haven't seen much of anything about John Bowen - the fifth player - when he entered it after Pridgen. We are only one of two or three schools with 5 players in the portal - but obviously three of them saw the handwriting on the wall anyway. Coach might just surprise us here and put a heck of a squad on the floor next year. I hope so...I guess we are going to find out. RE: Looking to next year: Hoops - solohawks - 03-10-2021 04:48 PM (03-10-2021 04:13 PM)70shawk Wrote:Agree agree agree(03-10-2021 02:08 PM)82hawk Wrote:(03-10-2021 12:55 PM)jumpinmullet Wrote:(03-10-2021 11:17 AM)82hawk Wrote:Again the player can only go what information he has and make an informed decision from that. Siddle is the coach and he played him out of position for an entire season for the most part. Siddle could have gone zone or mixed in other gimmicks to hide what he felt like was not working but he didn't do it . What would be ridiculous is for the player to not have his own best interest in mind at this point with a new coach who didn't recruit him and a year's worth of info to go on. Transfers are a huge part of basketball now and I would think Siddle will try to get in on some himself.(03-10-2021 09:12 AM)jumpinmullet Wrote: My point is that Boggs saw the hand writing on the wall and decided he didn't want to play center . I like him,his Dad is a good dude and they did not sign up for this. I support the player making the decision based on evidence-good for him. If we had ended up in a tough spot again next year, Boggs could have been asked to sacrifice again for the sake of the system. Just like if another company offered to double my salary to leave, players should be able to leave if they believe they have a better fit elsewhere. And those that left did so in a classy and professional way, not making a hubaballoo during the actual season RE: Looking to next year: Hoops - Seahawkhoops - 03-10-2021 07:05 PM (03-10-2021 04:48 PM)solohawks Wrote:Well, the clearly Quit the last game, but other than that agree completely.(03-10-2021 04:13 PM)70shawk Wrote:Agree agree agree(03-10-2021 02:08 PM)82hawk Wrote:(03-10-2021 12:55 PM)jumpinmullet Wrote:(03-10-2021 11:17 AM)82hawk Wrote: That's ridiculous. There is no way on earth Siddle saw Boggs as a long term 5. Had he known how bad Dodd and Bowen were at the 5, he'd have rescinded their scholarships and gone after some players for the 5. Boggs was a short term solution at the 5.Again the player can only go what information he has and make an informed decision from that. Siddle is the coach and he played him out of position for an entire season for the most part. Siddle could have gone zone or mixed in other gimmicks to hide what he felt like was not working but he didn't do it . What would be ridiculous is for the player to not have his own best interest in mind at this point with a new coach who didn't recruit him and a year's worth of info to go on. Transfers are a huge part of basketball now and I would think Siddle will try to get in on some himself. 70s- I hadn't seen Bowen, i closed out the verbal commits window yesterday must have been before. That one Could hurt too, depends on if coach he's able to find size elsewhere. I actually like Bowen, when he was healthy, he had some productive games. RE: Looking to next year: Hoops - Seahawk2010 - 03-10-2021 07:31 PM (03-10-2021 07:05 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:(03-10-2021 04:48 PM)solohawks Wrote:Well, the clearly Quit the last game, but other than that agree completely.(03-10-2021 04:13 PM)70shawk Wrote:Agree agree agree(03-10-2021 02:08 PM)82hawk Wrote:(03-10-2021 12:55 PM)jumpinmullet Wrote: Again the player can only go what information he has and make an informed decision from that. Siddle is the coach and he played him out of position for an entire season for the most part. Siddle could have gone zone or mixed in other gimmicks to hide what he felt like was not working but he didn't do it . What would be ridiculous is for the player to not have his own best interest in mind at this point with a new coach who didn't recruit him and a year's worth of info to go on. Transfers are a huge part of basketball now and I would think Siddle will try to get in on some himself. Bowen mentioned in a Bladen Journal article a week or so ago that he was going to pursue a Masters degree in a field that UNCW doesn’t offer. Can’t exactly remember the exact degree, but none the less him being a Grad Transfer is truly him pursuing a graduate degree. Can’t fault him for that! Looking to next year: Hoops - Seahawkhoops - 03-10-2021 07:59 PM (03-10-2021 07:31 PM)Seahawk2010 Wrote:(03-10-2021 07:05 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:(03-10-2021 04:48 PM)solohawks Wrote:Well, the clearly Quit the last game, but other than that agree completely.(03-10-2021 04:13 PM)70shawk Wrote:Agree agree agree(03-10-2021 02:08 PM)82hawk Wrote: I'm not disagreeing at all about his right or decision to transfer, but there is no way it was because Siddle indicated he was going to play the 5 the rest of his career at UNCW. I also don't disagree that it may have been a mistake for Siddle to press him into playing the 5 this year. We weren't going to make it out of the CAA tournament anyhow, so may as well have let Dodd play the 5. Nope, not at all. Especially if he can get his first year of grad school paid foe with the extra year. Will be interesting to see if he gets offers from a school that has what he’s looking for Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk RE: Looking to next year: Hoops - B_Hawk06 - 03-11-2021 01:10 PM (03-10-2021 02:08 PM)82hawk Wrote:(03-10-2021 12:55 PM)jumpinmullet Wrote:(03-10-2021 11:17 AM)82hawk Wrote:Again the player can only go what information he has and make an informed decision from that. Siddle is the coach and he played him out of position for an entire season for the most part. Siddle could have gone zone or mixed in other gimmicks to hide what he felt like was not working but he didn't do it . What would be ridiculous is for the player to not have his own best interest in mind at this point with a new coach who didn't recruit him and a year's worth of info to go on. Transfers are a huge part of basketball now and I would think Siddle will try to get in on some himself.(03-10-2021 09:12 AM)jumpinmullet Wrote:(03-09-2021 08:00 PM)70shawk Wrote: I didn't exactly understand his point, but I am glad The Mullet is back! Well, there's no way you know for sure. So it's all speculation (as you pointed out in a counter argument earlier in the thread). Point being, that while your speculation may be right that Siddle didn't or wouldn't INTEND for him to play the 5 the rest of his career, it is also quite easy to speculate that because of the situation Siddle found himself in this year and pushing Boggs to that 5 position quite often, that the athlete may not want to put himself back in that situation as a possibility going forward. It's speculation on both sides, but to deny there was any evidence that would indicate Siddle wouldn't possibly do it again is not logical. RE: Looking to next year: Hoops - billthebighawksfan - 03-11-2021 04:59 PM I’ve heard him talk of Boggs at 4 so he knew the deal. No win for either Jake or coach because you had nothing at the 5. It is why we would lose tight games instead off winning them. If he gets some bigs, different story-that simple. RE: Looking to next year: Hoops - jumpinmullet - 03-11-2021 09:34 PM (03-11-2021 04:59 PM)billthebighawksfan Wrote: I’ve heard him talk of Boggs at 4 so he knew the deal. No win for either Jake or coach because you had nothing at the 5. It is why we would lose tight games instead off winning them. If he gets some bigs, different story-that simple. The deal is he did not recruit Boggs and he played him out of position for an entire season,not much to trust there. I really don't know how anyone would expect Boggs to think that might change next year. No doubt all the players talked about the situation and five so far decided that they would be better served not playing for UNCW. In the new world of basketball who knows who they have talked to about playing at another school. The no sit rule for next season is an open invitation for bigger programs to cherry pick guys from mids. RE: Looking to next year: Hoops - billthebighawksfan - 03-11-2021 10:39 PM I don’t think we’re looking at a Justin Mutts situation here for these guys , but never say never. RE: Looking to next year: Hoops - Osprey#1 - 03-12-2021 08:26 AM As Mullet points out, the current NCAA transfer rules really invite school shopping. This allows the Power 5 school to treat mid-majors as farm teams which is how they want it to be. Hope the NCAA realizes that they may be killing the golden goose (the death of Cinderella?). That said, I'm still surprised and saddened to see Jake and Joe leave. Both have potential for great careers if they land at the right place. I'm really not sure why UNCW wouldn't have been the right place for them, but we'll see how it goes. I feel particular sad about Joe as he never really got a chance to experience UNCW. Never played in Trask when it was rocking. He seems like a perfect fit for the direction the program is going too. Ah well. The new world of college basketball. RE: Looking to next year: Hoops - Seahawk Nation 08 - 03-12-2021 11:54 AM (03-12-2021 08:26 AM)Osprey#1 Wrote: As Mullet points out, the current NCAA transfer rules really invite school shopping. This allows the Power 5 school to treat mid-majors as farm teams which is how they want it to be. Hope the NCAA realizes that they may be killing the golden goose (the death of Cinderella?). The death of Cinderella is fine for the NCAA. First round upsets are fun and attract ratings. But beyond that, the argument is it kills them. No one in the NCAA wants to see a mid-major make the Final 4 ever again. They want all the mid-majors gone by the Sweet 16, every single year. RE: Looking to next year: Hoops - Seahawkhoops - 03-12-2021 12:49 PM (03-12-2021 11:54 AM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote:I don't agree. I know a ton of people that are casual fans at best that were interested when Mason made a run. Was at a wedding and everyone rushed to the bar when that game was on final 4 weekend. I think it's more than you give it credit for.(03-12-2021 08:26 AM)Osprey#1 Wrote: As Mullet points out, the current NCAA transfer rules really invite school shopping. This allows the Power 5 school to treat mid-majors as farm teams which is how they want it to be. Hope the NCAA realizes that they may be killing the golden goose (the death of Cinderella?). But tourney aside, they certainly know what they are doing "stacking the deck" with portal etc.... P6's drive their revenue, especially in the reg season RE: Looking to next year: Hoops - Seahawk Nation 08 - 03-12-2021 12:53 PM (03-12-2021 12:49 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:(03-12-2021 11:54 AM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote:I don't agree. I know a ton of people that are casual fans at best that were interested when Mason made a run. Was at a wedding and everyone rushed to the bar when that game was on final 4 weekend. I think it's more than you give it credit for.(03-12-2021 08:26 AM)Osprey#1 Wrote: As Mullet points out, the current NCAA transfer rules really invite school shopping. This allows the Power 5 school to treat mid-majors as farm teams which is how they want it to be. Hope the NCAA realizes that they may be killing the golden goose (the death of Cinderella?). The data doesn't lie. Blue bloods bring ratings and ratings bring cash. Period. RE: Looking to next year: Hoops - Osprey#1 - 03-12-2021 12:56 PM Cinderellas do add excitement to the early rounds though. They keep me interested anyway! |