(03-01-2021 12:50 PM)Steve1981 Wrote:  Going to double post but feel if you want that A10 bad enough, it has better than 50% odds of getting the invite. The A10 is proactive regarding conference realignment.

Here is the long double post.

(03-01-2021 12:16 PM)Bogg Wrote:  

(03-01-2021 11:45 AM)Steve1981 Wrote:  My take is conservative and would be shocked if the A10 puts a wrapper on football. They want no part of football. That said the A10 is proactive in conference realignment and did go to 15 teams before the Big East split. So there is presidency for the A10 going to 15 in case LaSalle flounders or the Big East does grab St. Louis or Dayton. ODU would be perfect footprint and brand wise and can see just ODU. The 49ers were in the A10 because they got booted out with St. Louis for not having football, so no real love there.

This is the year for ODU with no football revenue to do it and the question is will the A10 take them in on July 1st. The odds are at least 50% in my book.

Yea, I don't see any scenario where football is at all palatable to the A10, nevermind desirable enough to balloon membership the way that would be necessary. ...

UMass will/is strongly supportive for ODU admission into the A10. Sure some of you get calls regarding donations and several months ago ask about ODU. There was no hesitation. "That would be really good". Have to think most of the former CAA Virginia Universities would also be strongly supportive: Richmond, VCU, and George Mason. Most other universities would go along and very few would be opposed initially. (IMHO) A10 back to 15 teams.

(03-01-2021 03:17 PM)Steve1981 Wrote:  U need to push your admin to make it happen. Don't be a jmu, talk talk talk your admin needs to be very active for things to happen. We went to 15 teams when Bultler was added. It can happen again but your admin needs to push hard with all back channels and then perhaps meaningful discussions during the final 4.

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(03-01-2021 03:36 PM)webster Wrote:  

(03-01-2021 03:17 PM)Steve1981 Wrote:  U need to push your admin to make it happen. Don't be a jmu, talk talk talk your admin needs to be very active for things to happen. We went to 15 teams when Bultler was added. It can happen again but your admin needs to push hard with all back channels and then perhaps meaningful discussions during the final 4.

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I'm not a wealthy donor. However, I have mailed letters to athletic director Selig, President Broderick, and President-Elect Hemphill.
I understand that I don't have any sway. But it felt good to at least share my thoughts with the admin.

(03-01-2021 12:34 PM)DaBigBlue Wrote:  It isn't that bad, reminds me of the old Sunbelt. Which was a very good Mid-Majors BB conference. Home is what you make it. We can do much better in CUSA. I think we may see more interconference scheduling first.

(03-01-2021 02:19 PM)monarx Wrote:  

(03-01-2021 12:50 PM)Steve1981 Wrote:  Going to double post but feel if you want that A10 bad enough, it has better than 50% odds of getting the invite. The A10 is proactive regarding conference realignment.

Here is the long double post.

(03-01-2021 12:16 PM)Bogg Wrote:  

(03-01-2021 11:45 AM)Steve1981 Wrote:  My take is conservative and would be shocked if the A10 puts a wrapper on football. They want no part of football. That said the A10 is proactive in conference realignment and did go to 15 teams before the Big East split. So there is presidency for the A10 going to 15 in case LaSalle flounders or the Big East does grab St. Louis or Dayton. ODU would be perfect footprint and brand wise and can see just ODU. The 49ers were in the A10 because they got booted out with St. Louis for not having football, so no real love there.

This is the year for ODU with no football revenue to do it and the question is will the A10 take them in on July 1st. The odds are at least 50% in my book.

Yea, I don't see any scenario where football is at all palatable to the A10, nevermind desirable enough to balloon membership the way that would be necessary. ...

UMass will/is strongly supportive for ODU admission into the A10. Sure some of you get calls regarding donations and several months ago ask about ODU. There was no hesitation. "That would be really good". Have to think most of the former CAA Virginia Universities would also be strongly supportive: Richmond, VCU, and George Mason. Most other universities would go along and very few would be opposed initially. (IMHO) A10 back to 15 teams.

ODU would be a great fit, and I agree with you that we'd likely be welcomed in by most of the teams. I wouldnt even be surprised if we were literally at the top of the list. Problem is, it seems the A10 doesnt want to expand, so someone has to leave to make a spot for us.

(03-01-2021 03:17 PM)Steve1981 Wrote:  U need to push your admin to make it happen. Don't be a jmu, talk talk talk your admin needs to be very active for things to happen. We went to 15 teams when Bultler was added. It can happen again but your admin needs to push hard with all back channels and then perhaps meaningful discussions during the final 4.

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(03-01-2021 09:43 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(03-01-2021 12:34 PM)DaBigBlue Wrote:  It isn't that bad, reminds me of the old Sunbelt. Which was a very good Mid-Majors BB conference. Home is what you make it. We can do much better in CUSA. I think we may see more interconference scheduling first.

Disagree. I haven’t been anywhere close to this disengaged since I became a fan in 04. I’m not the only one. I don’t even follow the games anymore... granted the fact I can’t go to any is also a factor... I just check the score later and don’t even read game threads. I want to compete in a conference school I care about and be in a multi bid local conference. I can’t imagine CUSA football is providing enough to cancel that out. I’d like to see the projections, assuming ETSU is being truthful.


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(03-02-2021 10:57 AM)Chillie Willie Wrote:  

(03-01-2021 09:43 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(03-01-2021 12:34 PM)DaBigBlue Wrote:  It isn't that bad, reminds me of the old Sunbelt. Which was a very good Mid-Majors BB conference. Home is what you make it. We can do much better in CUSA. I think we may see more interconference scheduling first.

Disagree. I haven’t been anywhere close to this disengaged since I became a fan in 04. I’m not the only one. I don’t even follow the games anymore... granted the fact I can’t go to any is also a factor... I just check the score later and don’t even read game threads. I want to compete in a conference school I care about and be in a multi bid local conference. I can’t imagine CUSA football is providing enough to cancel that out. I’d like to see the projections, assuming ETSU is being truthful.


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I certainly would like to be in a better place, but I just can’t understand this level of disengagement. Talking about the game is what brought me to this board. If there were no game threads, I’m not sure how long I would stay around. When there are no games, that is when I become less engaged. I suppose everyone has their own interests, I just find it hard to believe that if you don’t watch, listen, or talk about the games that you are still interested in the program.

(03-02-2021 10:57 AM)Chillie Willie Wrote:  

(03-01-2021 09:43 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(03-01-2021 12:34 PM)DaBigBlue Wrote:  It isn't that bad, reminds me of the old Sunbelt. Which was a very good Mid-Majors BB conference. Home is what you make it. We can do much better in CUSA. I think we may see more interconference scheduling first.

Disagree. I haven’t been anywhere close to this disengaged since I became a fan in 04. I’m not the only one. I don’t even follow the games anymore... granted the fact I can’t go to any is also a factor... I just check the score later and don’t even read game threads. I want to compete in a conference school I care about and be in a multi bid local conference. I can’t imagine CUSA football is providing enough to cancel that out. I’d like to see the projections, assuming ETSU is being truthful.


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I certainly would like to be in a better place, but I just can’t understand this level of disengagement. Talking about the game is what brought me to this board. If there were no game threads, I’m not sure how long I would stay around. When there are no games, that is when I become less engaged. I suppose everyone has their own interests, I just find it hard to believe that if you don’t watch, listen, or talk about the games that you are still interested in the program.

(03-02-2021 03:24 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  Winning is a paint that covers a multitude of sins. If ODU had multiple NCAA and NIT bids while in CUSA, we’d be a lot more tolerant of our far-flung opponents and more likely to embrace fledgling rivalries with nearby or similarly successful programs. If we were losing to the likes of Fordham and GW in the A-10, interest outside of the VCU and Richmond games would fall accordingly.

The A-10 is objectively better than CUSA right now and probably will be unless the former falls off a cliff or the latter finally lives up to its potential. But if you think switching leagues will result in a boost in enthusiasm, well, let’s see how long that lasts if they’re finishing in the middle of the pack and missing the postseason.

(03-02-2021 03:24 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  Winning is a paint that covers a multitude of sins. If ODU had multiple NCAA and NIT bids while in CUSA, we’d be a lot more tolerant of our far-flung opponents and more likely to embrace fledgling rivalries with nearby or similarly successful programs. If we were losing to the likes of Fordham and GW in the A-10, interest outside of the VCU and Richmond games would fall accordingly.

The A-10 is objectively better than CUSA right now and probably will be unless the former falls off a cliff or the latter finally lives up to its potential. But if you think switching leagues will result in a boost in enthusiasm, well, let’s see how long that lasts if they’re finishing in the middle of the pack and missing the postseason.

(03-02-2021 03:24 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  Winning is a paint that covers a multitude of sins. If ODU had multiple NCAA and NIT bids while in CUSA, we’d be a lot more tolerant of our far-flung opponents and more likely to embrace fledgling rivalries with nearby or similarly successful programs. If we were losing to the likes of Fordham and GW in the A-10, interest outside of the VCU and Richmond games would fall accordingly.

The A-10 is objectively better than CUSA right now and probably will be unless the former falls off a cliff or the latter finally lives up to its potential. But if you think switching leagues will result in a boost in enthusiasm, well, let’s see how long that lasts if they’re finishing in the middle of the pack and missing the postseason.

(03-02-2021 12:36 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(03-02-2021 10:57 AM)Chillie Willie Wrote:  

(03-01-2021 09:43 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(03-01-2021 12:34 PM)DaBigBlue Wrote:  It isn't that bad, reminds me of the old Sunbelt. Which was a very good Mid-Majors BB conference. Home is what you make it. We can do much better in CUSA. I think we may see more interconference scheduling first.

Disagree. I haven’t been anywhere close to this disengaged since I became a fan in 04. I’m not the only one. I don’t even follow the games anymore... granted the fact I can’t go to any is also a factor... I just check the score later and don’t even read game threads. I want to compete in a conference school I care about and be in a multi bid local conference. I can’t imagine CUSA football is providing enough to cancel that out. I’d like to see the projections, assuming ETSU is being truthful.


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I certainly would like to be in a better place, but I just can’t understand this level of disengagement. Talking about the game is what brought me to this board. If there were no game threads, I’m not sure how long I would stay around. When there are no games, that is when I become less engaged. I suppose everyone has their own interests, I just find it hard to believe that if you don’t watch, listen, or talk about the games that you are still interested in the program.

I think it is part not being able to attend, part long-term mediocrity taking its toll, and part being indifferent to our conference opponents while not measuring up to our OOC "rivals". I don't really get excited about grinding out close wins or falling short against FAU or Marshall nor do I go out of my way to watch us get blown out by VCU or Richmond... and even if we do happen to get through the conference tournament, we'll just get a 14-16 seed and get blown out in the first round of the NCAAs. I may engage a little closer when I can actually take my kids to the games again, but right now I just want to advocate getting back to a time when there was something to get excited about. We just aren't competitive at an acceptable level. Not sure if Jones, Selig, the conference, or the nerd counting beans in the AD is the root of the problem, but the current state is a bunch of BS.

(03-02-2021 04:00 PM)Chillie Willie Wrote:  

(03-02-2021 12:36 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(03-02-2021 10:57 AM)Chillie Willie Wrote:  

(03-01-2021 09:43 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(03-01-2021 12:34 PM)DaBigBlue Wrote:  It isn't that bad, reminds me of the old Sunbelt. Which was a very good Mid-Majors BB conference. Home is what you make it. We can do much better in CUSA. I think we may see more interconference scheduling first.

Disagree. I haven’t been anywhere close to this disengaged since I became a fan in 04. I’m not the only one. I don’t even follow the games anymore... granted the fact I can’t go to any is also a factor... I just check the score later and don’t even read game threads. I want to compete in a conference school I care about and be in a multi bid local conference. I can’t imagine CUSA football is providing enough to cancel that out. I’d like to see the projections, assuming ETSU is being truthful.


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I certainly would like to be in a better place, but I just can’t understand this level of disengagement. Talking about the game is what brought me to this board. If there were no game threads, I’m not sure how long I would stay around. When there are no games, that is when I become less engaged. I suppose everyone has their own interests, I just find it hard to believe that if you don’t watch, listen, or talk about the games that you are still interested in the program.

I think it is part not being able to attend, part long-term mediocrity taking its toll, and part being indifferent to our conference opponents while not measuring up to our OOC "rivals". I don't really get excited about grinding out close wins or falling short against FAU or Marshall nor do I go out of my way to watch us get blown out by VCU or Richmond... and even if we do happen to get through the conference tournament, we'll just get a 14-16 seed and get blown out in the first round of the NCAAs. I may engage a little closer when I can actually take my kids to the games again, but right now I just want to advocate getting back to a time when there was something to get excited about. We just aren't competitive at an acceptable level. Not sure if Jones, Selig, the conference, or the nerd counting beans in the AD is the root of the problem, but the current state is a bunch of BS.

I hear you on all of those points. I have noticed some decrease in enthusiasm for the program over the years. I was at the brown dump every year for the CAA tournament. I wouldn’t think of missing it. I went to many driveable away games and most of the W&M games in Williamsburg. Not so much anymore. But I am still a basketball fan. You say you don’t want to watch ODU grind out close wins. I sometimes check the NCAA scoreboard to see which games are close down the stretch and flip around to those games. Usually doesn’t matter who the opponent is. I am disappointed if I have to miss an ODU game and I wouldn’t think of missing a VCU game. I yell if I am at the game, and I yell if I am watching on TV (to the embarrassment of my family). I am not at the same level I was ten years ago, but I still care deeply about ODU basketball and football no matter who or where we play. I want to get back to that next level though.

(03-02-2021 03:36 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  I agree but also think that in MBB yes it would definitely result in a boost in enthusiasm. A few million saved in travel expenses being able to be poured back into coaching would probably go a long way towards being more successful as well.

(03-02-2021 03:42 PM)webster Wrote:  Since I've followed ODU basketball, we have been competitive whether while in the CAA or now C-USA. Not every year. But most years we're around at least 20 wins and with a realistic chance to win the conference. I don't envision us going to the A10 and suddenly sucking. As it stands now, the regular season in C-USA is meaningless. It all comes down to who shows up for a 3 day stretch in Frisco. At least the A10 seems to get multiple bids more than we've seen C-USA get since I've followed the conference.
Having conference games vs VCU, GMU, Richmond, Dayton, Davidson, Rhode Island, the Bonnies, etc is way more exciting than games vs our Conference USA mates. I'd take that in a heartbeat even in potential bad years where we are middle of the pack. But again, I don't think we would have an issue competing.
Winning does solve many issues. It would be even better in a better conference.

(03-02-2021 03:58 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  Don't you think it affects the recruiting? Who wants to spend half their college experience on a bus and never be on TV? We might get lucky and hit the jackpot with a diamond in the rough every now and then, but that IS the potential for us here, in my opinion. There is no way to build anything sustainable. Quality of life as a player here just sucks.

(03-02-2021 04:34 PM)monarx Wrote:  

(03-02-2021 04:00 PM)Chillie Willie Wrote:  

(03-02-2021 12:36 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(03-02-2021 10:57 AM)Chillie Willie Wrote:  

(03-01-2021 09:43 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  Disagree. I haven’t been anywhere close to this disengaged since I became a fan in 04. I’m not the only one. I don’t even follow the games anymore... granted the fact I can’t go to any is also a factor... I just check the score later and don’t even read game threads. I want to compete in a conference school I care about and be in a multi bid local conference. I can’t imagine CUSA football is providing enough to cancel that out. I’d like to see the projections, assuming ETSU is being truthful.


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I certainly would like to be in a better place, but I just can’t understand this level of disengagement. Talking about the game is what brought me to this board. If there were no game threads, I’m not sure how long I would stay around. When there are no games, that is when I become less engaged. I suppose everyone has their own interests, I just find it hard to believe that if you don’t watch, listen, or talk about the games that you are still interested in the program.

I think it is part not being able to attend, part long-term mediocrity taking its toll, and part being indifferent to our conference opponents while not measuring up to our OOC "rivals". I don't really get excited about grinding out close wins or falling short against FAU or Marshall nor do I go out of my way to watch us get blown out by VCU or Richmond... and even if we do happen to get through the conference tournament, we'll just get a 14-16 seed and get blown out in the first round of the NCAAs. I may engage a little closer when I can actually take my kids to the games again, but right now I just want to advocate getting back to a time when there was something to get excited about. We just aren't competitive at an acceptable level. Not sure if Jones, Selig, the conference, or the nerd counting beans in the AD is the root of the problem, but the current state is a bunch of BS.

I hear you on all of those points. I have noticed some decrease in enthusiasm for the program over the years. I was at the brown dump every year for the CAA tournament. I wouldn’t think of missing it. I went to many driveable away games and most of the W&M games in Williamsburg. Not so much anymore. But I am still a basketball fan. You say you don’t want to watch ODU grind out close wins. I sometimes check the NCAA scoreboard to see which games are close down the stretch and flip around to those games. Usually doesn’t matter who the opponent is. I am disappointed if I have to miss an ODU game and I wouldn’t think of missing a VCU game. I yell if I am at the game, and I yell if I am watching on TV (to the embarrassment of my family). I am not at the same level I was ten years ago, but I still care deeply about ODU basketball and football no matter who or where we play. I want to get back to that next level though.

I haven't been to a single CUSA tournament or away game yet. I literally only missed one game the Monarchs played in the CAA tournament for 15 years straight. I remember going up against VCU and Richmond and expecting to win. Thinking they should be scared of us. Now, I hope we hold our own, don't get blown out and have a chance to steal one at the end. There was a time, not long ago, when it seemed we had at least 2 or 3 games on an ESPN channel every year, and around half our games were on some type of cable tv. I looked forward to the games, even the away games, weeks in advance. The coaches call in shows were not to be missed, and neither were the Monarch segments on the local news. Now, I can barely keep up with who we play and when. Theres nothing on TV. No coaches show. No excitement. Its truly a wonder we have the fanbase we have to lead CUSA in attendance most seasons. There are places worse than CUSA, but I do feel like the conference is killing ODU athletics, rather than growing it.