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ACC may have lost every bowl game, but... - Hokie Mark - 01-08-2021 01:07 PM
...the TV ratings were AWESOME!
The ACC played in 3 New Year's Six Bowls, averaging 15.2M viewers!
The SEC played in 4 New Year's Six Bowls, averaging 10.2M viewers - 5M less.
True, Notre Dame was one of those ACC teams; if we take them out, the ACC average of two games falls to 13.4M - still 3.2M higher than the SEC games.
ACC: they just watch more!
https://accfootballrx.blogspot.com/2021/01/2020-21-cfp-tv-ratings.html
RE: ACC may have lost every bowl game, but... - Kaplony - 01-08-2021 05:18 PM
(01-08-2021 01:07 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote: ...the TV ratings were AWESOME!
The ACC played in 3 New Year's Six Bowls, averaging 15.2M viewers!
The SEC played in 4 New Year's Six Bowls, averaging 10.2M viewers - 5M less.
True, Notre Dame was one of those ACC teams; if we take them out, the ACC average of two games falls to 13.4M - still 3.2M higher than the SEC games.
ACC: they just watch more!
https://accfootballrx.blogspot.com/2021/01/2020-21-cfp-tv-ratings.html
Great.
Remind them of that and the fact that five of their top ten markets this year are in the ACC's footprint in 16 years when the contract is up for renegotiation and maybe it will pay off for us. Until then it's pretty much meaningless.
RE: ACC may have lost every bowl game, but... - Hokie Mark - 01-08-2021 05:28 PM
(01-08-2021 05:18 PM)Kaplony Wrote:(01-08-2021 01:07 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote: ...the TV ratings were AWESOME!
The ACC played in 3 New Year's Six Bowls, averaging 15.2M viewers!
The SEC played in 4 New Year's Six Bowls, averaging 10.2M viewers - 5M less.
True, Notre Dame was one of those ACC teams; if we take them out, the ACC average of two games falls to 13.4M - still 3.2M higher than the SEC games.
ACC: they just watch more!
https://accfootballrx.blogspot.com/2021/01/2020-21-cfp-tv-ratings.html
Great.
Remind them of that and the fact that five of their top ten markets this year are in the ACC's footprint in 16 years when the contract is up for renegotiation and maybe it will pay off for us. Until then it's pretty much meaningless.
Totally with you on that point. This is just more evidence that the ACC leaders crapped the bed when they locked in ALL football rights for 20 years (or whatever). Imagine if they were just now signing a T1 contract what it would be worth! So the difference between that and what the ACC is actually getting is how badly the TV contract was mis-managed.
RE: ACC may have lost every bowl game, but... - Kaplony - 01-08-2021 05:35 PM
(01-08-2021 05:28 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:(01-08-2021 05:18 PM)Kaplony Wrote:(01-08-2021 01:07 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote: ...the TV ratings were AWESOME!
The ACC played in 3 New Year's Six Bowls, averaging 15.2M viewers!
The SEC played in 4 New Year's Six Bowls, averaging 10.2M viewers - 5M less.
True, Notre Dame was one of those ACC teams; if we take them out, the ACC average of two games falls to 13.4M - still 3.2M higher than the SEC games.
ACC: they just watch more!
https://accfootballrx.blogspot.com/2021/01/2020-21-cfp-tv-ratings.html
Great.
Remind them of that and the fact that five of their top ten markets this year are in the ACC's footprint in 16 years when the contract is up for renegotiation and maybe it will pay off for us. Until then it's pretty much meaningless.
Totally with you on that point. This is just more evidence that the ACC leaders crapped the bed when they locked in ALL football rights for 20 years (or whatever). Imagine if they were just now signing a T1 contract what it would be worth! So the difference between that and what the ACC is actually getting is how badly the TV contract was mis-managed.
“But, but, but NiNjA sWoFfOrD”
RE: ACC may have lost every bowl game, but... - YouPeople - 01-08-2021 05:47 PM
I'm surprised to see Richmond so high.
RE: ACC may have lost every bowl game, but... - esayem - 01-08-2021 07:52 PM
(01-08-2021 05:18 PM)Kaplony Wrote:(01-08-2021 01:07 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote: ...the TV ratings were AWESOME!
The ACC played in 3 New Year's Six Bowls, averaging 15.2M viewers!
The SEC played in 4 New Year's Six Bowls, averaging 10.2M viewers - 5M less.
True, Notre Dame was one of those ACC teams; if we take them out, the ACC average of two games falls to 13.4M - still 3.2M higher than the SEC games.
ACC: they just watch more!
https://accfootballrx.blogspot.com/2021/01/2020-21-cfp-tv-ratings.html
Great.
Remind them of that and the fact that five of their top ten markets this year are in the ACC's footprint in 16 years when the contract is up for renegotiation and maybe it will pay off for us. Until then it's pretty much meaningless.
Looks like we need to bring Richmond and Furman back into the fold!
RE: ACC may have lost every bowl game, but... - Hokie Mark - 01-08-2021 08:22 PM
(01-08-2021 07:52 PM)esayem Wrote:(01-08-2021 05:18 PM)Kaplony Wrote:(01-08-2021 01:07 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote: ...the TV ratings were AWESOME!
The ACC played in 3 New Year's Six Bowls, averaging 15.2M viewers!
The SEC played in 4 New Year's Six Bowls, averaging 10.2M viewers - 5M less.
True, Notre Dame was one of those ACC teams; if we take them out, the ACC average of two games falls to 13.4M - still 3.2M higher than the SEC games.
ACC: they just watch more!
https://accfootballrx.blogspot.com/2021/01/2020-21-cfp-tv-ratings.html
Great.
Remind them of that and the fact that five of their top ten markets this year are in the ACC's footprint in 16 years when the contract is up for renegotiation and maybe it will pay off for us. Until then it's pretty much meaningless.
Looks like we need to bring Richmond and Furman back into the fold!
UNC fans: always looking for someone the Tar Heels can beat.
Bless their little hearts.
RE: ACC may have lost every bowl game, but... - Kaplony - 01-08-2021 08:59 PM
(01-08-2021 08:22 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:(01-08-2021 07:52 PM)esayem Wrote:(01-08-2021 05:18 PM)Kaplony Wrote:(01-08-2021 01:07 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote: ...the TV ratings were AWESOME!
The ACC played in 3 New Year's Six Bowls, averaging 15.2M viewers!
The SEC played in 4 New Year's Six Bowls, averaging 10.2M viewers - 5M less.
True, Notre Dame was one of those ACC teams; if we take them out, the ACC average of two games falls to 13.4M - still 3.2M higher than the SEC games.
ACC: they just watch more!
https://accfootballrx.blogspot.com/2021/01/2020-21-cfp-tv-ratings.html
Great.
Remind them of that and the fact that five of their top ten markets this year are in the ACC's footprint in 16 years when the contract is up for renegotiation and maybe it will pay off for us. Until then it's pretty much meaningless.
Looks like we need to bring Richmond and Furman back into the fold!
UNC fans: always looking for someone the Tar Heels can beat.
Bless their little hearts.
I wouldn't be so sure.
https://goheels.com/news/1999/10/30/205469190.aspx
Remember, Furman has a proud football history and doesn't tolerate losing. Give them ACC resources and it'll be yet another Superior Carolina school that UNC loses to.
RE: ACC may have lost every bowl game, but... - JRsec - 01-08-2021 10:12 PM
(01-08-2021 01:07 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote: ...the TV ratings were AWESOME!
The ACC played in 3 New Year's Six Bowls, averaging 15.2M viewers!
The SEC played in 4 New Year's Six Bowls, averaging 10.2M viewers - 5M less.
True, Notre Dame was one of those ACC teams; if we take them out, the ACC average of two games falls to 13.4M - still 3.2M higher than the SEC games.
ACC: they just watch more!
https://accfootballrx.blogspot.com/2021/01/2020-21-cfp-tv-ratings.html
Uh, yeah. You have Ohio State and Alabama and one year wonder Notre Dame to thank for those numbers. When the next highest rated was Georgia vs Cincinnati whoopie do.
Semi finals didn't face any competition for the time slots. All the rest did. So the ACC having Notre Dame count for them is the only difference here.
RE: ACC may have lost every bowl game, but... - Pervis_Griffith - 01-08-2021 10:29 PM
(01-08-2021 01:07 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote: ...the TV ratings were AWESOME!
The ACC played in 3 New Year's Six Bowls, averaging 15.2M viewers!
The SEC played in 4 New Year's Six Bowls, averaging 10.2M viewers - 5M less.
True, Notre Dame was one of those ACC teams; if we take them out, the ACC average of two games falls to 13.4M - still 3.2M higher than the SEC games.
ACC: they just watch more!
https://accfootballrx.blogspot.com/2021/01/2020-21-cfp-tv-ratings.html
How about ...
ACC Football: More people watch - it's math!
ACC Football: Fewer cow towns, means more people watch - it's geography!
ACC Football: We bring viewers - you're welcome!
ACC Football: Advertisers love us!
RE: ACC may have lost every bowl game, but... - esayem - 01-08-2021 11:08 PM
(01-08-2021 08:59 PM)Kaplony Wrote:(01-08-2021 08:22 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:(01-08-2021 07:52 PM)esayem Wrote:(01-08-2021 05:18 PM)Kaplony Wrote:(01-08-2021 01:07 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote: ...the TV ratings were AWESOME!
The ACC played in 3 New Year's Six Bowls, averaging 15.2M viewers!
The SEC played in 4 New Year's Six Bowls, averaging 10.2M viewers - 5M less.
True, Notre Dame was one of those ACC teams; if we take them out, the ACC average of two games falls to 13.4M - still 3.2M higher than the SEC games.
ACC: they just watch more!
https://accfootballrx.blogspot.com/2021/01/2020-21-cfp-tv-ratings.html
Great.
Remind them of that and the fact that five of their top ten markets this year are in the ACC's footprint in 16 years when the contract is up for renegotiation and maybe it will pay off for us. Until then it's pretty much meaningless.
Looks like we need to bring Richmond and Furman back into the fold!
UNC fans: always looking for someone the Tar Heels can beat.
Bless their little hearts.
I wouldn't be so sure.
https://goheels.com/news/1999/10/30/205469190.aspx
Remember, Furman has a proud football history and doesn't tolerate losing. Give them ACC resources and it'll be yet another Superior Carolina school that UNC loses to.
lulz
Oh you guys!
Both Richmond and Furman are better programs than all those WAC programs that want to move up combined.
RE: ACC may have lost every bowl game, but... - cuseroc - 01-09-2021 12:16 AM
(01-08-2021 10:29 PM)Pervis_Griffith Wrote:(01-08-2021 01:07 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote: ...the TV ratings were AWESOME!
The ACC played in 3 New Year's Six Bowls, averaging 15.2M viewers!
The SEC played in 4 New Year's Six Bowls, averaging 10.2M viewers - 5M less.
True, Notre Dame was one of those ACC teams; if we take them out, the ACC average of two games falls to 13.4M - still 3.2M higher than the SEC games.
ACC: they just watch more!
https://accfootballrx.blogspot.com/2021/01/2020-21-cfp-tv-ratings.html
How about ...
ACC Football: More people watch - it's math!
ACC Football: Fewer cow towns, means more people watch - it's geography!
ACC Football: We bring viewers - you're welcome!
ACC Football: Advertisers love us!
Now, we somehow have to Get ESPN to pay us like they love us.
RE: ACC may have lost every bowl game, but... - schmolik - 01-09-2021 11:35 AM
(01-08-2021 05:28 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:(01-08-2021 05:18 PM)Kaplony Wrote:(01-08-2021 01:07 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote: ...the TV ratings were AWESOME!
The ACC played in 3 New Year's Six Bowls, averaging 15.2M viewers!
The SEC played in 4 New Year's Six Bowls, averaging 10.2M viewers - 5M less.
True, Notre Dame was one of those ACC teams; if we take them out, the ACC average of two games falls to 13.4M - still 3.2M higher than the SEC games.
ACC: they just watch more!
https://accfootballrx.blogspot.com/2021/01/2020-21-cfp-tv-ratings.html
Great.
Remind them of that and the fact that five of their top ten markets this year are in the ACC's footprint in 16 years when the contract is up for renegotiation and maybe it will pay off for us. Until then it's pretty much meaningless.
Totally with you on that point. This is just more evidence that the ACC leaders crapped the bed when they locked in ALL football rights for 20 years (or whatever). Imagine if they were just now signing a T1 contract what it would be worth! So the difference between that and what the ACC is actually getting is how badly the TV contract was mis-managed.
I can't speak for ESPN or the other networks but if I were working for a network I'd probably put ACC football without Notre Dame at best third and possibly fourth depending on whether or not I could get Oklahoma/Texas out of the Big 12. I'm not going to base it on ESPN's market rankings in Richmond and Greenville, I'm going to base it on the actual TV ratings. The ACC isn't the SEC or Big Ten in football, they shouldn't expect the same TV contract and money as the SEC or Big Ten. Would they get more than they do now? Possibly. But take away Notre Dame and the ACC isn't negotiating from a position of strength with Florida State weak right now and in 2019 no other ACC team besides Clemson having fewer than 5 losses. Also, if the ACC contract were up, what would be stopping the SEC from trying to add Clemson? If the SEC were able to get Oklahoma but not Texas, Clemson would be a great #16 and ACC football without Clemson would be about as good as Big 12 football without Oklahoma. Or they go after Florida State. Or they push north to Virginia Tech and/or NC State. Maybe the Big Ten makes a move.
If the Big 12 and Pac 12 come out of the next contracts intact and with significant raises, the ACC messed up signing a long term deal early. If Texas and/or Oklahoma leave for another conference and the rest of the Big 12 wind up with less money, the ACC will be happy they are safe until 2037. USC's AD did say "everything is on the table". I don't think the Pac 12 school really is in danger of getting raided but if all five P5's were up for contract as is, no doubt they would have the worst contract. I don't think the ACC's long term contract is terrible. If the ACC was successful in football, ESPN would be renegotiating. They aren't.
Now get Notre Dame as a full time football member and that changes everything. 2020 showed that.
RE: ACC may have lost every bowl game, but... - Hokie Mark - 01-09-2021 01:05 PM
(01-08-2021 10:12 PM)JRsec Wrote:(01-08-2021 01:07 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote: ...the TV ratings were AWESOME!
The ACC played in 3 New Year's Six Bowls, averaging 15.2M viewers!
The SEC played in 4 New Year's Six Bowls, averaging 10.2M viewers - 5M less.
True, Notre Dame was one of those ACC teams; if we take them out, the ACC average of two games falls to 13.4M - still 3.2M higher than the SEC games.
ACC: they just watch more!
https://accfootballrx.blogspot.com/2021/01/2020-21-cfp-tv-ratings.html
Uh, yeah. You have Ohio State and Alabama and one year wonder Notre Dame to thank for those numbers. When the next highest rated was Georgia vs Cincinnati whoopie do.
Semi finals didn't face any competition for the time slots. All the rest did. So the ACC having Notre Dame count for them is the only difference here.
Actually, the biggest difference is Orange Bowl >> Cotton Bowl.
SEC gets to count Rose, Peach AND Orange... but is dragged down by Cotton.
RE: ACC may have lost every bowl game, but... - YouPeople - 01-09-2021 01:32 PM
Furman is by far the classiest school in peanut land.
RE: ACC may have lost every bowl game, but... - georgia_tech_swagger - 01-09-2021 02:51 PM
Essentially 5 of the top 10 are the greater I-85 corridor.
RE: ACC may have lost every bowl game, but... - JRsec - 01-09-2021 03:26 PM
(01-09-2021 01:05 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:(01-08-2021 10:12 PM)JRsec Wrote:(01-08-2021 01:07 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote: ...the TV ratings were AWESOME!
The ACC played in 3 New Year's Six Bowls, averaging 15.2M viewers!
The SEC played in 4 New Year's Six Bowls, averaging 10.2M viewers - 5M less.
True, Notre Dame was one of those ACC teams; if we take them out, the ACC average of two games falls to 13.4M - still 3.2M higher than the SEC games.
ACC: they just watch more!
https://accfootballrx.blogspot.com/2021/01/2020-21-cfp-tv-ratings.html
Uh, yeah. You have Ohio State and Alabama and one year wonder Notre Dame to thank for those numbers. When the next highest rated was Georgia vs Cincinnati whoopie do.
Semi finals didn't face any competition for the time slots. All the rest did. So the ACC having Notre Dame count for them is the only difference here.
Actually, the biggest difference is Orange Bowl >> Cotton Bowl.
SEC gets to count Rose, Peach AND Orange... but is dragged down by Cotton.
Spare me. Counting the Notre Dame Alabama game as an ACC game accounts for virtually 65% of the so called difference in the average. This number only assisted the ACC totals and in any other year would not have been counted. Audience of 15 to 20 million is much more easily attained when there is no competing event. The Daytime New Year's bowls all steal from each others totals.
RE: ACC may have lost every bowl game, but... - Hokie Mark - 01-09-2021 04:49 PM
(01-09-2021 03:26 PM)JRsec Wrote:(01-09-2021 01:05 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:(01-08-2021 10:12 PM)JRsec Wrote:(01-08-2021 01:07 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote: ...the TV ratings were AWESOME!
The ACC played in 3 New Year's Six Bowls, averaging 15.2M viewers!
The SEC played in 4 New Year's Six Bowls, averaging 10.2M viewers - 5M less.
True, Notre Dame was one of those ACC teams; if we take them out, the ACC average of two games falls to 13.4M - still 3.2M higher than the SEC games.
ACC: they just watch more!
https://accfootballrx.blogspot.com/2021/01/2020-21-cfp-tv-ratings.html
Uh, yeah. You have Ohio State and Alabama and one year wonder Notre Dame to thank for those numbers. When the next highest rated was Georgia vs Cincinnati whoopie do.
Semi finals didn't face any competition for the time slots. All the rest did. So the ACC having Notre Dame count for them is the only difference here.
Actually, the biggest difference is Orange Bowl >> Cotton Bowl.
SEC gets to count Rose, Peach AND Orange... but is dragged down by Cotton.
Spare me. Counting the Notre Dame Alabama game as an ACC game accounts for virtually 65% of the so called difference in the average. This number only assisted the ACC totals and in any other year would not have been counted. Audience of 15 to 20 million is much more easily attained when there is no competing event. The Daytime New Year's bowls all steal from each others totals.
Spare you what - the Truth? If you had read my post, you would know that I calculated it both ways - with and without Notre Dame:
Quote:...The average viewers for the three ACC CFP bowls was a whopping 15,206,333!
...The average of the four NY6 bowls with SEC participants was 10,250,500
...Admittedly, Notre Dame contributed mightily to the ACC's huge TV numbers, but even without the Rose Bowl, the Sugar and Orange Bowls average out to 13,363,000 viewers - still over 3 million more than the SEC average.
This is not cherry-picking. The Cotton Bowl literally had the lowest ratings of the CFP Selection Committee Bowls:
New Year’s Six Games P2+
CFP Semi - Sugar Bowl: Ohio State vs. Clemson 19,149,000
CFP Semi - Rose Bowl: Notre Dame vs. Alabama 18,893,000
Peach Bowl: Georgia vs. Cincinnati 8,727,000
Orange Bowl: Texas A&M vs. North Carolina 7,577,000
Fiesta Bowl: Oregon vs. Iowa State 6,679,000
Cotton Bowl: Florida vs. Oklahoma 5,805,000
The only way to make the SEC average higher is to drop that Cotton Bowl number - PERIOD. Of course, that would be an admission that the SEC/Big XII "champions bowl" idea was a mistake (it was, I just don't expect anyone to admit it). The SEC should've paired with the ACC for best TV ratings, not with the Big XII. (By the way, the Cotton Bowl didn't have any competition in its time slot).
I know this goes against the whole superiority of the SEC in college football thing, but historically, when the playing field is anywhere close to level, the ACC delivers... why do you think the Big Ten and the SEC have gone to such great lengths to stack the deck?
RE: ACC may have lost every bowl game, but... - JRsec - 01-09-2021 06:05 PM
(01-09-2021 04:49 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:(01-09-2021 03:26 PM)JRsec Wrote:(01-09-2021 01:05 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:(01-08-2021 10:12 PM)JRsec Wrote:(01-08-2021 01:07 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote: ...the TV ratings were AWESOME!
The ACC played in 3 New Year's Six Bowls, averaging 15.2M viewers!
The SEC played in 4 New Year's Six Bowls, averaging 10.2M viewers - 5M less.
True, Notre Dame was one of those ACC teams; if we take them out, the ACC average of two games falls to 13.4M - still 3.2M higher than the SEC games.
ACC: they just watch more!
https://accfootballrx.blogspot.com/2021/01/2020-21-cfp-tv-ratings.html
Uh, yeah. You have Ohio State and Alabama and one year wonder Notre Dame to thank for those numbers. When the next highest rated was Georgia vs Cincinnati whoopie do.
Semi finals didn't face any competition for the time slots. All the rest did. So the ACC having Notre Dame count for them is the only difference here.
Actually, the biggest difference is Orange Bowl >> Cotton Bowl.
SEC gets to count Rose, Peach AND Orange... but is dragged down by Cotton.
Spare me. Counting the Notre Dame Alabama game as an ACC game accounts for virtually 65% of the so called difference in the average. This number only assisted the ACC totals and in any other year would not have been counted. Audience of 15 to 20 million is much more easily attained when there is no competing event. The Daytime New Year's bowls all steal from each others totals.
Spare you what - the Truth? If you had read my post, you would know that I calculated it both ways - with and without Notre Dame:
Quote:...The average viewers for the three ACC CFP bowls was a whopping 15,206,333!
...The average of the four NY6 bowls with SEC participants was 10,250,500
...Admittedly, Notre Dame contributed mightily to the ACC's huge TV numbers, but even without the Rose Bowl, the Sugar and Orange Bowls average out to 13,363,000 viewers - still over 3 million more than the SEC average.
This is not cherry-picking. The Cotton Bowl literally had the lowest ratings of the CFP Selection Committee Bowls:
New Year’s Six Games P2+
CFP Semi - Sugar Bowl: Ohio State vs. Clemson 19,149,000
CFP Semi - Rose Bowl: Notre Dame vs. Alabama 18,893,000
Peach Bowl: Georgia vs. Cincinnati 8,727,000
Orange Bowl: Texas A&M vs. North Carolina 7,577,000
Fiesta Bowl: Oregon vs. Iowa State 6,679,000
Cotton Bowl: Florida vs. Oklahoma 5,805,000
The only way to make the SEC average higher is to drop that Cotton Bowl number - PERIOD. Of course, that would be an admission that the SEC/Big XII "champions bowl" idea was a mistake (it was, I just don't expect anyone to admit it). The SEC should've paired with the ACC for best TV ratings, not with the Big XII. (By the way, the Cotton Bowl didn't have any competition in its time slot).
I know this goes against the whole superiority of the SEC in college football thing, but historically, when the playing field is anywhere close to level, the ACC delivers... why do you think the Big Ten and the SEC have gone to such great lengths to stack the deck?
Mark I like you fine, but you have jobbed numbers for the sake of ACC propaganda for as long as I've been on the board. The issue is that the bowl numbers are baked in every year for ESPN and has nothing to do with the ACC's contract. The ACC's numbers since the creation of the ACCN have placed you in 4th position well behind the numbers of the Big 12 and just ahead of the PAC. When you look at those numbers you see the difference in the conferences' contracts plus or minus 2 million due to ESPN or FOX preference.
This year was an aberration and won't impact future contracts and the bowls are wholly separate.
Now does that mean that the ACC shouldn't be encouraged by the numbers? No, you should be. But I'm merely pointing out that you can't peg bowl viewership numbers to conference media contracts. Who is playing in a bowl, how close the game is, (Florida's loss was a blowout), and which other bowls are happening at the same time and who is playing in those games and how close those games are have everything to do with the ratings. The SEC, ACC, Big 10, Big 12, and PAC brands don't. Regular season ratings have the SEC in front of the Big 10 by almost 1 million viewers per nationally televised game. The Big 10 is 1 plus million ahead of the Big 12 and the Big 12 is just under a million ahead of the ACC which has made up ground on them and distanced themselves a little bit from the PAC. When your regular season numbers catch up your revenue will. That's all I'm saying. Notre Dame added 5 million to the ACC viewer count and Florida subtracted almost 2 million from the SEC, but as I said bowl numbers are not apples to apples and not even apples to oranges. ESPN which owns the rights to most of the bowls is the only one who cares and those numbers go into their calculations of who makes how much for appearing. And they've even averaged that out to great extent.