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Bowl question from a WSU fan - pvtlamb - 12-27-2020 09:56 AM
In the past, one of the interesting things for me during bowl season was watching P5 teams vs other.
It seems to me that this year, more than the past, most of the non-P5 bowl teams are playing each other.
Is this because of COVID or something else?
The only exceptions are Tulsa-Miss State, Cincy-Georgia and maybe BYU-UCF.
Am I not remembering accurately, or is this a manifestation of Mack Brown's suggestion of the G5 teams having their own playoff?
I look forward to mostly astute observations.
RE: Bowl question from a WSU fan - IamYourDad - 12-27-2020 10:06 AM
A lot of it has to do with opt outs and teams forgoing a bowl game, which mostly happens from the P5 end. In our situation, we were supposed to be playing a team from the ACC. Until teams like UVA, etc. started declining attending a bowl all together due to the risk of COVID
RE: Bowl question from a WSU fan - Bear Catlett - 12-27-2020 10:08 AM
Most P5's didn't want to bother. They don't need the money or the TV exposure.
RE: Bowl question from a WSU fan - quo vadis - 12-27-2020 10:29 AM
(12-27-2020 09:56 AM)pvtlamb Wrote: In the past, one of the interesting things for me during bowl season was watching P5 teams vs other.
It seems to me that this year, more than the past, most of the non-P5 bowl teams are playing each other.
Is this because of COVID or something else?
The only exceptions are Tulsa-Miss State, Cincy-Georgia and maybe BYU-UCF.
Am I not remembering accurately, or is this a manifestation of Mack Brown's suggestion of the G5 teams having their own playoff?
I look forward to mostly astute observations.
There are just a lot fewer bowl games this year because of all the opt-outs and cancelations. The PAC basically opting out entirely except for their NY6 really hurt as they usually play 3 or so bowl games vs G5.
As of now, there are 21 non-NY6 bowls that have been or are still scheduled to be played. Last year there were 36. That's a lot fewer opportunities for G5 to play vs P5.
RE: Bowl question from a WSU fan - quo vadis - 12-27-2020 10:34 AM
(12-27-2020 10:06 AM)IamYourDad Wrote: A lot of it has to do with opt outs and teams forgoing a bowl game, which mostly happens from the P5 end.
Yes, it's no accident that the one Sun Belt bowl game that was cancelled was the one game where they were going to play a P5 opponent (UAB vs SC).
P5 were just a lot more likely to opt out or cancel.
RE: Bowl question from a WSU fan - slhNavy91 - 12-27-2020 11:02 AM
(12-27-2020 09:56 AM)pvtlamb Wrote: In the past, one of the interesting things for me during bowl season was watching P5 teams vs other.
It seems to me that this year, more than the past, most of the non-P5 bowl teams are playing each other.
Is this because of COVID or something else?
The only exceptions are Tulsa-Miss State, Cincy-Georgia and maybe BYU-UCF*.
Am I not remembering accurately, or is this a manifestation of Mack Brown's suggestion of the G5 teams having their own playoff?
I look forward to mostly astute observations.
In a "normal" year, there should be about six or seven bowls matching up so-called "P5" vs so-called "G5"
- the NY6 slot for the highest CFP committee ranked champion of a non-contract-bowl conference will be against a contract-bowl-conference team
- mwc Champion bowl slot should be against Pac12 - Las Vegas Bowl for years, LA Bowl was supposed to start this year.
- AAC Military Bowl slot vs ACC
- AAC vs ACC Fenway was supposed to start this year
- Armed Forces Bowl should be vs BigXII
- Birmingham Bowl should be vs SEC
- Gasparilla Bowl
- Army/BYU/rando could get a Pac12 in Independence Bowl
There are set backup deals in place -- e.g. mwc has a backup to the Cactus Bowl and that's how Air Force had Washington State last year -- and there is often horsetrading.
This year, some of those were early cancellations due to locations: LA Bowl, Fenway Bowl, etc.
In general those bowls are low on the pecking order for the contract-bowl conferences, so when they're out of eligible teams, those bowls shift to backup deals, and for the non-contract-bowl conferences, they get another non-contract-bowl opponent.
This year with no eligibility minima, the initial expected effect was that the contract-bowl conferences would fill ALL their slots. Good news if you thought you would get a "name" opponent for your conference; bad news if you were hoping to catch "extra" slots or backup deals.
Then teams started opting out - we started getting even MORE beautiful chaos than normal, and it was post-selection Sunday!
Those opt-outs came at the lower end of the pecking order and led to cancellations. Gasparilla CUSA vs South Carolina; Military Bowl cancelled; Pac12 (and rumors of Boise?) caused Independence Bowl cancellation, but Army fell upwards into the Liberty Bowl vs WVU when Tennessee got the cooties.
* Don't call BYU "P5." Notre Dame has a separate seat at the CFP in table; BYU doesn't. Notre Dame is in fact a contract-bowl team even in "normal" years with a piece of the Orange Bowl. Notre Dame gets a $3 million payout even without appearing in a CFP game; BYU gets $300k just like Army and UMass and NMSU and Liberty.
RE: Bowl question from a WSU fan - Foreverandever - 12-27-2020 12:32 PM
(12-27-2020 10:34 AM)quo vadis Wrote:(12-27-2020 10:06 AM)IamYourDad Wrote: A lot of it has to do with opt outs and teams forgoing a bowl game, which mostly happens from the P5 end.
Yes, it's no accident that the one Sun Belt bowl game that was cancelled was the one game where they were going to play a P5 opponent (UAB vs SC).
P5 were just a lot more likely to opt out or cancel.
1. UAB is not a sunbelt team
2. The Birmingham bowl is an ACC/SEC/AAC bowl
3. Most of the new bowl contracts exclude P5/G5 match ups. Even with the old contracts there were only a few. We usually lead in conference comparisons, I believe our contracts have us two or four depending on the year and the AAC averaged just over three match ups a year out of our seven or eight spots. Most other conferences had one, usually one of the last two spots for a p5 meaning some years the p5 conference did not get enough team qualified to fill those spots. Under the new contracts I think the Sunbelt has zero match ups with a p5 and one back up slot. The MWC has the LA bowl and a back up spot. The MAC may have two. CUSA I believe has one and two back up slots. Depending on how it works out the AAC should have three, is guarenteed two, and will have four or even five some years, as well as three back up spots.
It is likely that the OP has been mostly observing the AAC Bowl Season past years, in which we usually do play p5 teams, while this year we only have two one of our lowest in the conference run.
RE: Bowl question from a WSU fan - Sideshow2313 - 12-27-2020 01:21 PM
I assume it is mostly luck as to who plays who if a conference can't fulfill its obligation. Last year the Quick Lane bowl had Eastern Michigan yet paid 2M while AAC teams had less than a 1M in bowl $$. It seems its better to be a backup at Liberty (since SEC normally does not have enough teams) than be the main at Gasparilla. Crazy we talk about $ costs yet we don't get the best $$ from bowls other than Access.
RE: Bowl question from a WSU fan - pvtlamb - 12-27-2020 01:21 PM
Thank you wise AAC brethren.
RE: Bowl question from a WSU fan - pvtlamb - 12-27-2020 01:22 PM
Also, FWIW, though Navy is supposedly the WSU football "partner", I cheer for whatever AAC team is doing best.
RE: Bowl question from a WSU fan - BearcatJerry - 12-27-2020 06:49 PM
Not only that, ESPN is now calling "Week 1" of Bowl Week the "Appetizer" to the "Main Course" when the P5 teams start playing each other.
The margins just keep getting pushed further out.
RE: Bowl question from a WSU fan - BullsFanInTX - 12-28-2020 12:08 AM
(12-27-2020 09:56 AM)pvtlamb Wrote: In the past, one of the interesting things for me during bowl season was watching P5 teams vs other.
It seems to me that this year, more than the past, most of the non-P5 bowl teams are playing each other.
Is this because of COVID or something else?
The only exceptions are Tulsa-Miss State, Cincy-Georgia and maybe BYU-UCF.
Am I not remembering accurately, or is this a manifestation of Mack Brown's suggestion of the G5 teams having their own playoff?
I look forward to mostly astute observations.
AAC usually plays 3 or 4 , maybe 5 P6 opponents a year, depending on how things fall.
This year we lost several bowls to COVID which had P6 opponents.
In a normal year we should have full time tie ins vs. the ACC in the Military Bowl and Fenway Bowl, as well as partial ties in the Birmingham Bowl and Gasparilla Bowls vs. the SEC. In an average year (non COVID) I would expect a minimum of 3, max of 5 P6 bowls. This year we had two.