(12-08-2020 07:41 PM)THUNDERStruck73 Wrote:  Boise was joining the Big East with SDSU and when the BE lost power status, they said thanks but no thanks. They’re not joining the AAC and I think that ship has also sailed from the AAC side of things.

(12-10-2020 06:23 AM)jedclampett Wrote:  

(12-08-2020 07:41 PM)THUNDERStruck73 Wrote:  Boise was joining the Big East with SDSU and when the BE lost power status, they said thanks but no thanks. They’re not joining the AAC and I think that ship has also sailed from the AAC side of things.

So, in other words, the AAC's strategic plan to become a power conference is doomed to fail, because there will never be more than 5 power conferences?

(12-10-2020 08:39 AM)schmolik Wrote:  

(12-10-2020 06:23 AM)jedclampett Wrote:  

(12-08-2020 07:41 PM)THUNDERStruck73 Wrote:  Boise was joining the Big East with SDSU and when the BE lost power status, they said thanks but no thanks. They’re not joining the AAC and I think that ship has also sailed from the AAC side of things.

So, in other words, the AAC's strategic plan to become a power conference is doomed to fail, because there will never be more than 5 power conferences?

Honestly, no. The current five power conferences have no incentive to allow the AAC a seat at their table and make their shares/pieces smaller. In fact, there's more incentive for them to cannibalize each other, make it four or even three power conferences. Get it to four and the four remaining can guarantee Playoff spots for their champions every year (you don't think the Pathetic 12 wouldn't want that if they are one of the four survivors?)

As for the networks, the AAC has to give a network or network a reason for them to pay them Power 5 rates. You've been tracking G5 television ratings all season and I believe the most watched G5 game was Central Florida-Georgia Tech which got over 3 million. While no Pathetic 12 game this season got more than 3 million viewers this season, the game also featured an ACC team. I don't think most of the Big 12 is much better than the AAC, the problem is they have two members that are clearly better. If you moved Texas and Oklahoma to the AAC, the AAC would have Big 12 payouts and the Big 12 would be getting AAC payouts. The AAC doesn't have one member that is the dominant school in its state. They have schools in a bunch of cities but you'd be hard pressed to say any of the schools dominate their city, at least in football (I doubt Cincinnati is the #1 school in Cincy or UCF is the #1 school in Orlando, correct me if I'm wrong, I'm pretty sure Temple isn't #1 here in Philly in football .. or men's basketball). And you can add as many G5 schools as you want but it won't help, the only way the AAC will ever get P5 money is if it gets not only a P5 school but a relevant one (half the P5 schools aren't relevant, they're being carried by the relevant ones). The bad news is the AAC just doesn't have any relevant schools.

You're a Temple fan and you're trying to build up the AAC. I'm a Temple fan and I'd do anything to get out of the AAC. I hate it. Half the teams are western crap. You can't even get excited about men's basketball conference games vs. SMU, Tulsa, and Tulane. It's even worse now with UConn gone as Temple's now the only Eastern school in the whole conference (Navy in football).

(12-10-2020 09:13 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  (Ohio State football/basketball games are not on local radio).

(12-10-2020 08:39 AM)schmolik Wrote:  

(12-10-2020 06:23 AM)jedclampett Wrote:  

(12-08-2020 07:41 PM)THUNDERStruck73 Wrote:  Boise was joining the Big East with SDSU and when the BE lost power status, they said thanks but no thanks. They’re not joining the AAC and I think that ship has also sailed from the AAC side of things.

So, in other words, the AAC's strategic plan to become a power conference is doomed to fail, because there will never be more than 5 power conferences?

Honestly, no. The current five power conferences have no incentive to allow the AAC a seat at their table and make their shares/pieces smaller. In fact, there's more incentive for them to cannibalize each other, make it four or even three power conferences. Get it to four and the four remaining can guarantee Playoff spots for their champions every year (you don't think the Pathetic 12 wouldn't want that if they are one of the four survivors?)

As for the networks, the AAC has to give a network or network a reason for them to pay them Power 5 rates. You've been tracking G5 television ratings all season and I believe the most watched G5 game was Central Florida-Georgia Tech which got over 3 million. While no Pathetic 12 game this season got more than 3 million viewers this season, the game also featured an ACC team. I don't think most of the Big 12 is much better than the AAC, the problem is they have two members that are clearly better. If you moved Texas and Oklahoma to the AAC, the AAC would have Big 12 payouts and the Big 12 would be getting AAC payouts. The AAC doesn't have one member that is the dominant school in its state. They have schools in a bunch of cities but you'd be hard pressed to say any of the schools dominate their city, at least in football (I doubt Cincinnati is the #1 school in Cincy or UCF is the #1 school in Orlando, correct me if I'm wrong, I'm pretty sure Temple isn't #1 here in Philly in football .. or men's basketball). And you can add as many G5 schools as you want but it won't help, the only way the AAC will ever get P5 money is if it gets not only a P5 school but a relevant one (half the P5 schools aren't relevant, they're being carried by the relevant ones). The bad news is the AAC just doesn't have any relevant schools.

You're a Temple fan and you're trying to build up the AAC. I'm a Temple fan and I'd do anything to get out of the AAC. I hate it. Half the teams are western crap. You can't even get excited about men's basketball conference games vs. SMU, Tulsa, and Tulane. It's even worse now with UConn gone as Temple's now the only Eastern school in the whole conference (Navy in football).

(12-08-2020 10:48 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:  

(12-08-2020 10:37 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  

(12-08-2020 09:12 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(12-08-2020 07:41 PM)THUNDERStruck73 Wrote:  Boise was joining the Big East with SDSU and when the BE lost power status, they said thanks but no thanks. They’re not joining the AAC and I think that ship has also sailed from the AAC side of things.

Ehh. Most everyone connected to the 2012 Boise decision making is gone. I think thats one of the few "no brainer" value adding replacement options on the board for the AAC. I mean, if Boise was looking for places to house their olympic sports---they are obviously willing to talk. I think the AAC would make that move in a minute flat.

Add Boise as a football only, add VCU as an olympic member--and the AAC puts the UConn loss behind them--ending up substantially better in football---and shores up the loss of UConn basketball about as well as anyone could realistically expect.

A Boise/VCU add would be strong. I would fully support. But I don't see it happening.

I like it. Not probable, in my opinion, but a nice idea. If both sides want it to happen, it needs to be soon. Boise St non-football will find a home. My guess is the Big West is the desire but the Big Sky is acceptable.

AAC Football
West: Boise St, Houston, Navy, SMU, Tulane, Tulsa
East: Central Florida, Cincinnati, East Carolina, Memphis, South Florida, Temple

(12-10-2020 09:49 AM)Hokie4Skins Wrote:  

(12-10-2020 09:13 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  (Ohio State football/basketball games are not on local radio).

https://oldies1480.net/

(12-10-2020 08:39 AM)schmolik Wrote:  

(12-10-2020 06:23 AM)jedclampett Wrote:  

(12-08-2020 07:41 PM)THUNDERStruck73 Wrote:  Boise was joining the Big East with SDSU and when the BE lost power status, they said thanks but no thanks. They’re not joining the AAC and I think that ship has also sailed from the AAC side of things.

So, in other words, the AAC's strategic plan to become a power conference is doomed to fail, because there will never be more than 5 power conferences?

Honestly, no. The current five power conferences have no incentive to allow the AAC a seat at their table and make their shares/pieces smaller. In fact, there's more incentive for them to cannibalize each other, make it four or even three power conferences. Get it to four and the four remaining can guarantee Playoff spots for their champions every year (you don't think the Pathetic 12 wouldn't want that if they are one of the four survivors?)

As for the networks, the AAC has to give a network or network a reason for them to pay them Power 5 rates. You've been tracking G5 television ratings all season and I believe the most watched G5 game was Central Florida-Georgia Tech which got over 3 million. While no Pathetic 12 game this season got more than 3 million viewers this season, the game also featured an ACC team. I don't think most of the Big 12 is much better than the AAC, the problem is they have two members that are clearly better. If you moved Texas and Oklahoma to the AAC, the AAC would have Big 12 payouts and the Big 12 would be getting AAC payouts. The AAC doesn't have one member that is the dominant school in its state. They have schools in a bunch of cities but you'd be hard pressed to say any of the schools dominate their city, at least in football (I doubt Cincinnati is the #1 school in Cincy or UCF is the #1 school in Orlando, correct me if I'm wrong, I'm pretty sure Temple isn't #1 here in Philly in football .. or men's basketball). And you can add as many G5 schools as you want but it won't help, the only way the AAC will ever get P5 money is if it gets not only a P5 school but a relevant one (half the P5 schools aren't relevant, they're being carried by the relevant ones). The bad news is the AAC just doesn't have any relevant schools.

You're a Temple fan and you're trying to build up the AAC. I'm a Temple fan and I'd do anything to get out of the AAC. I hate it. Half the teams are western crap. You can't even get excited about men's basketball conference games vs. SMU, Tulsa, and Tulane. It's even worse now with UConn gone as Temple's now the only Eastern school in the whole conference (Navy in football).

(12-10-2020 01:38 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(12-10-2020 09:49 AM)Hokie4Skins Wrote:  

(12-10-2020 09:13 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  (Ohio State football/basketball games are not on local radio).

https://oldies1480.net/

Dude, that station is so far down the dial.... the stations that people listen to in this town are 700WLW, ESPN 1530 and 55 WKRC. WLW is the flagship.

(12-10-2020 02:10 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  What’s Temple to do though?

Leaving the AAC would be suicidal to it’s football program (see UConn).

The Big East isn’t going to let them in so they can’t upgrade their basketball conference.

The A-10 is more regional but isn’t any better in basketball and moving there would damage football.

The only choice is to tough it out and use the OOC to find regional games that will appear to Northeast oriented fans.

(12-10-2020 02:10 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  The only choice is to tough it out and use the OOC to find regional games that will appear to Northeast oriented fans.

(12-10-2020 02:19 PM)Hokie4Skins Wrote:  

(12-10-2020 01:38 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(12-10-2020 09:49 AM)Hokie4Skins Wrote:  

(12-10-2020 09:13 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  (Ohio State football/basketball games are not on local radio).

https://oldies1480.net/

Dude, that station is so far down the dial.... the stations that people listen to in this town are 700WLW, ESPN 1530 and 55 WKRC. WLW is the flagship.

But you said that Ohio State wasn’t on local radio in Cincinnati. And when did 99.5 become so far down the FM dial?


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(12-10-2020 08:39 AM)schmolik Wrote:  

(12-10-2020 06:23 AM)jedclampett Wrote:  

(12-08-2020 07:41 PM)THUNDERStruck73 Wrote:  Boise was joining the Big East with SDSU and when the BE lost power status, they said thanks but no thanks. They’re not joining the AAC and I think that ship has also sailed from the AAC side of things.

So, in other words, the AAC's strategic plan to become a power conference is doomed to fail, because there will never be more than 5 power conferences?

Honestly, no. The current five power conferences have no incentive to allow the AAC a seat at their table and make their shares/pieces smaller. In fact, there's more incentive for them to cannibalize each other, make it four or even three power conferences. Get it to four and the four remaining can guarantee Playoff spots for their champions every year (you don't think the Pathetic 12 wouldn't want that if they are one of the four survivors?)

As for the networks, the AAC has to give a network or network a reason for them to pay them Power 5 rates. You've been tracking G5 television ratings all season and I believe the most watched G5 game was Central Florida-Georgia Tech which got over 3 million. While no Pathetic 12 game this season got more than 3 million viewers this season, the game also featured an ACC team. I don't think most of the Big 12 is much better than the AAC, the problem is they have two members that are clearly better. If you moved Texas and Oklahoma to the AAC, the AAC would have Big 12 payouts and the Big 12 would be getting AAC payouts. The AAC doesn't have one member that is the dominant school in its state. They have schools in a bunch of cities but you'd be hard pressed to say any of the schools dominate their city, at least in football (I doubt Cincinnati is the #1 school in Cincy or UCF is the #1 school in Orlando, correct me if I'm wrong, I'm pretty sure Temple isn't #1 here in Philly in football .. or men's basketball). And you can add as many G5 schools as you want but it won't help, the only way the AAC will ever get P5 money is if it gets not only a P5 school but a relevant one (half the P5 schools aren't relevant, they're being carried by the relevant ones). The bad news is the AAC just doesn't have any relevant schools.

You're a Temple fan and you're trying to build up the AAC. I'm a Temple fan and I'd do anything to get out of the AAC. I hate it. Half the teams are western crap. You can't even get excited about men's basketball conference games vs. SMU, Tulsa, and Tulane. It's even worse now with UConn gone as Temple's now the only Eastern school in the whole conference (Navy in football).

(12-10-2020 02:20 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(12-10-2020 02:10 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  What’s Temple to do though?

Leaving the AAC would be suicidal to it’s football program (see UConn).

The Big East isn’t going to let them in so they can’t upgrade their basketball conference.

The A-10 is more regional but isn’t any better in basketball and moving there would damage football.

The only choice is to tough it out and use the OOC to find regional games that will appear to Northeast oriented fans.

Temple is really no different than anyone else in the conference. Yeah--the league is spread out and has no regional identity. It is what it is.

(12-10-2020 02:30 PM)army56mike Wrote:  

(12-10-2020 02:10 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  The only choice is to tough it out and use the OOC to find regional games that will appear to Northeast oriented fans.

I’d say Temple is doing a pretty good job of scheduling their region and teams of interest.
2019- Bucknell, Maryland, Buffalo, Ga. Tech
2018- Boston College, Maryland, Buffalo, Nova
2017- Nova, UMass, Army, ND
2016- Army, Stony Brook, Penn St., Charlotte
2015- Penn St., UMass, Notre Dame, Charlotte

(12-10-2020 09:49 AM)Hokie4Skins Wrote:  

(12-10-2020 09:13 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  (Ohio State football/basketball games are not on local radio).

https://oldies1480.net/

(12-10-2020 01:30 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  It won't happen, but it should. The pre-2003 ACC and 2005-2012 Big East were taken seriously in football mostly because they were indisputably power conferences in basketball.

(12-11-2020 09:31 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-10-2020 01:30 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  It won't happen, but it should. The pre-2003 ACC and 2005-2012 Big East were taken seriously in football mostly because they were indisputably power conferences in basketball.

My recall is that the 2005 - 2012 Big East was not taken seriously in football. It was routinely derided as the "Big Least" during that time. It was constantly being criticized as unworthy of "AQ" status in the media and by fans of other leagues. It only had AQ status because it was written in the BCS contract, and other AQ new it would be legally impossible, or at least extremely costly, to try and change that. Efforts were even made to come up with "performance metrics" that could result in the Big East being booted, all of this despite the fact that in terms of on-field performance, it was a very legitimate power/AQ football conference during that time.

If anything, the concurrent dominance of Big East basketball hurt the perception of Big East football. The football conference was good but the hoops conference was great, so that cast another shadow over the football side.