(07-27-2023 05:07 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  GO, I just watched the dr. phil vid ... to this day, I'm estranged from me mum ... as the eldest, that's about as tough as it gets...

too many women are not fit to breed and maintain ... it's excruciating when you drag pops out back and state at the age of 14, "pops, you have to stand up to her, divorce her, or live the rest in misery." it was too long ago I told her, "all I ever wanted was a mother."

I'll stop now...

yeah, y'all just learned another little tidbit in the dichotomy of nuts zongo's psychology...

(12-27-2020 03:45 PM)bullet Wrote:  Phil Neikro, the famous knuckleballer, passes at 81. https://www.tennessean.com/story/sports/2020/12/27/phil-niekro-baseball-hall-fame-knuckleballer-dies-81/4053800001/

Was in the majors 24 years and pitched regularly until he was 48.

Not sure there has been anyone since he and his brother Joe who has mastered that pitch.

(07-27-2023 05:50 PM)JRsec Wrote:  There was a reliever for a while who mastered it.

(07-27-2023 05:50 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(12-27-2020 03:45 PM)bullet Wrote:  Phil Neikro, the famous knuckleballer, passes at 81. https://www.tennessean.com/story/sports/2020/12/27/phil-niekro-baseball-hall-fame-knuckleballer-dies-81/4053800001/

Was in the majors 24 years and pitched regularly until he was 48.

Not sure there has been anyone since he and his brother Joe who has mastered that pitch.

There was a reliever for a while who mastered it, it's a senior moment because I can picture his face but can't recall the name. He was white and played in the 60's and maybe into the early 70s. But it is a lost art. I caught two of my cousins, one played pro ball in the minors got called up for a tryout with the Braves was offered a contract and decided he was homesick for the farm. He had a great knuckler and a solid fast ball. Two pitches really. That was back in the 70's. You have to have a solid 3 pitch repertoire today to make a roster and 4 is preferred. The other made more money from patents for inventions than pitching and he was the older brother. I just know I had to wear a glove on my mitt hand to handle them. And man, I wouldn't have wanted to stand in the box against them. Both were intentionally wild and didn't mind plunking you.

I think the other was Wilhelm. Man time flies, I was initially off by almost 20 years for his active period.

(07-27-2023 06:33 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(07-27-2023 05:50 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(12-27-2020 03:45 PM)bullet Wrote:  Phil Neikro, the famous knuckleballer, passes at 81. https://www.tennessean.com/story/sports/2020/12/27/phil-niekro-baseball-hall-fame-knuckleballer-dies-81/4053800001/

Was in the majors 24 years and pitched regularly until he was 48.

Not sure there has been anyone since he and his brother Joe who has mastered that pitch.

There was a reliever for a while who mastered it, it's a senior moment because I can picture his face but can't recall the name. He was white and played in the 60's and maybe into the early 70s. But it is a lost art. I caught two of my cousins, one played pro ball in the minors got called up for a tryout with the Braves was offered a contract and decided he was homesick for the farm. He had a great knuckler and a solid fast ball. Two pitches really. That was back in the 70's. You have to have a solid 3 pitch repertoire today to make a roster and 4 is preferred. The other made more money from patents for inventions than pitching and he was the older brother. I just know I had to wear a glove on my mitt hand to handle them. And man, I wouldn't have wanted to stand in the box against them. Both were intentionally wild and didn't mind plunking you.

I think the other was Wilhelm. Man time flies, I was initially off by almost 20 years for his active period.

there's a documentary (once was on Netflix) called "Knuckleballer" ... if you're a baseball fan, it's a must watch...

Wakefield is a hoot (as any knuckle'head') ...

to the point of the post ... I watched both Niekros as often as I could ... also, in my youth, I had to catch a junk ball pitcher ... he had 4 pitches ... none that were a fastball ... I screwed with so many batters' brains when he was on the mound ... nobody knew where it was going at times ...

RIP, Phil ... you were a gem!

(07-27-2023 06:44 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(07-27-2023 06:33 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(07-27-2023 05:50 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(12-27-2020 03:45 PM)bullet Wrote:  Phil Neikro, the famous knuckleballer, passes at 81. https://www.tennessean.com/story/sports/2020/12/27/phil-niekro-baseball-hall-fame-knuckleballer-dies-81/4053800001/

Was in the majors 24 years and pitched regularly until he was 48.

Not sure there has been anyone since he and his brother Joe who has mastered that pitch.

There was a reliever for a while who mastered it, it's a senior moment because I can picture his face but can't recall the name. He was white and played in the 60's and maybe into the early 70s. But it is a lost art. I caught two of my cousins, one played pro ball in the minors got called up for a tryout with the Braves was offered a contract and decided he was homesick for the farm. He had a great knuckler and a solid fast ball. Two pitches really. That was back in the 70's. You have to have a solid 3 pitch repertoire today to make a roster and 4 is preferred. The other made more money from patents for inventions than pitching and he was the older brother. I just know I had to wear a glove on my mitt hand to handle them. And man, I wouldn't have wanted to stand in the box against them. Both were intentionally wild and didn't mind plunking you.

I think the other was Wilhelm. Man time flies, I was initially off by almost 20 years for his active period.

there's a documentary (once was on Netflix) called "Knuckleballer" ... if you're a baseball fan, it's a must watch...

Wakefield is a hoot (as any knuckle'head') ...

to the point of the post ... I watched both Niekros as often as I could ... also, in my youth, I had to catch a junk ball pitcher ... he had 4 pitches ... none that were a fastball ... I screwed with so many batters' brains when he was on the mound ... nobody knew where it was going at times ...

RIP, Phil ... you were a gem!

Man, I grew up on MLB, but quit watching after juiced players and juiced balls in the 90's. I stick to watching college ball now. It's fun to watch the kids having fun.

My heroes as a kid were the usual Mays, Mantle, Aaron, Marris, Ted Williams, and my ultimate was Brooks Robinson. Loved to watch that guy play third. I met Aaron at a hospital in Atlanta. We both waited on news together in the waiting room. No autographs, just discussion about his wife Billye and the single mom who had breast cancer that I drove up there. Unlike with many, he was still a hero of mine when I left. Solid man!

(07-27-2023 06:58 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(07-27-2023 06:44 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(07-27-2023 06:33 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(07-27-2023 05:50 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(12-27-2020 03:45 PM)bullet Wrote:  Phil Neikro, the famous knuckleballer, passes at 81. https://www.tennessean.com/story/sports/2020/12/27/phil-niekro-baseball-hall-fame-knuckleballer-dies-81/4053800001/

Was in the majors 24 years and pitched regularly until he was 48.

Not sure there has been anyone since he and his brother Joe who has mastered that pitch.

There was a reliever for a while who mastered it, it's a senior moment because I can picture his face but can't recall the name. He was white and played in the 60's and maybe into the early 70s. But it is a lost art. I caught two of my cousins, one played pro ball in the minors got called up for a tryout with the Braves was offered a contract and decided he was homesick for the farm. He had a great knuckler and a solid fast ball. Two pitches really. That was back in the 70's. You have to have a solid 3 pitch repertoire today to make a roster and 4 is preferred. The other made more money from patents for inventions than pitching and he was the older brother. I just know I had to wear a glove on my mitt hand to handle them. And man, I wouldn't have wanted to stand in the box against them. Both were intentionally wild and didn't mind plunking you.

I think the other was Wilhelm. Man time flies, I was initially off by almost 20 years for his active period.

there's a documentary (once was on Netflix) called "Knuckleballer" ... if you're a baseball fan, it's a must watch...

Wakefield is a hoot (as any knuckle'head') ...

to the point of the post ... I watched both Niekros as often as I could ... also, in my youth, I had to catch a junk ball pitcher ... he had 4 pitches ... none that were a fastball ... I screwed with so many batters' brains when he was on the mound ... nobody knew where it was going at times ...

RIP, Phil ... you were a gem!

Man, I grew up on MLB, but quit watching after juiced players and juiced balls in the 90's. I stick to watching college ball now. It's fun to watch the kids having fun.

My heroes as a kid were the usual Mays, Mantle, Aaron, Marris, Ted Williams, and my ultimate was Brooks Robinson. Loved to watch that guy play third. I met Aaron at a hospital in Atlanta. We both waited on news together in the waiting room. No autographs, just discussion about his wife Billye and the single mom who had breast cancer that I drove up there. Unlike with many, he was still a hero of mine when I left. Solid man!

yeah, man ... you were reared during the best times of baseball ... however, where's Stan the Man in that list ...

pops used to go to the ol' Sportsman's Park every game during the summer months ... his father had season tickets 20 rows up dead behind the plate for 60 years ... pops is also an SLU EE and worked on the engineering crew (straight out of college when I was born) that designed the electrical plans for what is now know as Old Busch Stadium...

I don't miss StL a single bit anymore ... but the years from '65 to '74 were the best times of my life ... and w/o question, I still love muh Cards and Blues (took 50 years to win their only Stanley Cup)

(07-27-2023 07:12 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(07-27-2023 06:58 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(07-27-2023 06:44 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(07-27-2023 06:33 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(07-27-2023 05:50 PM)JRsec Wrote:  There was a reliever for a while who mastered it, it's a senior moment because I can picture his face but can't recall the name. He was white and played in the 60's and maybe into the early 70s. But it is a lost art. I caught two of my cousins, one played pro ball in the minors got called up for a tryout with the Braves was offered a contract and decided he was homesick for the farm. He had a great knuckler and a solid fast ball. Two pitches really. That was back in the 70's. You have to have a solid 3 pitch repertoire today to make a roster and 4 is preferred. The other made more money from patents for inventions than pitching and he was the older brother. I just know I had to wear a glove on my mitt hand to handle them. And man, I wouldn't have wanted to stand in the box against them. Both were intentionally wild and didn't mind plunking you.

I think the other was Wilhelm. Man time flies, I was initially off by almost 20 years for his active period.

there's a documentary (once was on Netflix) called "Knuckleballer" ... if you're a baseball fan, it's a must watch...

Wakefield is a hoot (as any knuckle'head') ...

to the point of the post ... I watched both Niekros as often as I could ... also, in my youth, I had to catch a junk ball pitcher ... he had 4 pitches ... none that were a fastball ... I screwed with so many batters' brains when he was on the mound ... nobody knew where it was going at times ...

RIP, Phil ... you were a gem!

Man, I grew up on MLB, but quit watching after juiced players and juiced balls in the 90's. I stick to watching college ball now. It's fun to watch the kids having fun.

My heroes as a kid were the usual Mays, Mantle, Aaron, Marris, Ted Williams, and my ultimate was Brooks Robinson. Loved to watch that guy play third. I met Aaron at a hospital in Atlanta. We both waited on news together in the waiting room. No autographs, just discussion about his wife Billye and the single mom who had breast cancer that I drove up there. Unlike with many, he was still a hero of mine when I left. Solid man!

yeah, man ... you were reared during the best times of baseball ... however, where's Stan the Man in that list ...

pops used to go to the ol' Sportsman's Park every game during the summer months ... his father had season tickets 20 rows up dead behind the plate for 60 years ... pops is also an SLU EE and worked on the engineering crew (straight out of college when I was born) that designed the electrical plans for what is now know as Old Busch Stadium...

I don't miss StL a single bit anymore ... but the years from '65 to '74 were the best times of my life ... and w/o question, I still love muh Cards and Blues (took 50 years to win their only Stanley Cup)

Stan the Man likely like Gehrig before him just showed up and did the job in a workman like fashion and was understated. Yaz was okay, I just didn't like the Red Sox. Ted Williams once told an umpire that the mound was an inch and a quarter too high. The ump humored him, had it measured and it was exactly an inch and a quarter too high. In Korea where Ted flew Sabres he took a hit and was advised to bail out. He examined his cockpit, realized it would damage his kneecaps to punch out, and brought her for a belly landing and walked away. He was not as chummy as the public would like, but he was his own man. Kudos Splendid Splinter. I'm guessing you were close to the right age for Matty, Manny, and Felipe Alou? I know you are a Cardinals fan.

(07-27-2023 08:14 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(07-27-2023 07:12 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(07-27-2023 06:58 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(07-27-2023 06:44 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(07-27-2023 06:33 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  there's a documentary (once was on Netflix) called "Knuckleballer" ... if you're a baseball fan, it's a must watch...

Wakefield is a hoot (as any knuckle'head') ...

to the point of the post ... I watched both Niekros as often as I could ... also, in my youth, I had to catch a junk ball pitcher ... he had 4 pitches ... none that were a fastball ... I screwed with so many batters' brains when he was on the mound ... nobody knew where it was going at times ...

RIP, Phil ... you were a gem!

Man, I grew up on MLB, but quit watching after juiced players and juiced balls in the 90's. I stick to watching college ball now. It's fun to watch the kids having fun.

My heroes as a kid were the usual Mays, Mantle, Aaron, Marris, Ted Williams, and my ultimate was Brooks Robinson. Loved to watch that guy play third. I met Aaron at a hospital in Atlanta. We both waited on news together in the waiting room. No autographs, just discussion about his wife Billye and the single mom who had breast cancer that I drove up there. Unlike with many, he was still a hero of mine when I left. Solid man!

yeah, man ... you were reared during the best times of baseball ... however, where's Stan the Man in that list ...

pops used to go to the ol' Sportsman's Park every game during the summer months ... his father had season tickets 20 rows up dead behind the plate for 60 years ... pops is also an SLU EE and worked on the engineering crew (straight out of college when I was born) that designed the electrical plans for what is now know as Old Busch Stadium...

I don't miss StL a single bit anymore ... but the years from '65 to '74 were the best times of my life ... and w/o question, I still love muh Cards and Blues (took 50 years to win their only Stanley Cup)

Stan the Man likely like Gehrig before him just showed up and did the job in a workman like fashion and was understated. Yaz was okay, I just didn't like the Red Sox. Ted Williams once told an umpire that the mound was an inch and a quarter too high. The ump humored him, had it measured and it was exactly an inch and a quarter too high. In Korea where Ted flew Sabres he took a hit and was advised to bail out. He examined his cockpit, realized it would damage his kneecaps to punch out, and brought her for a belly landing and walked away. He was not as chummy as the public would like, but he was his own man. Kudos Splendid Splinter. I'm guessing you were close to the right age for Matty, Manny, and Felipe Alou? I know you are a Cardinals fan.

the Alou family ... yeah, I remember the family ...

Moises was the stud (Filepe's son) ... he should be in the Hall when you have a career BA > .300 and an .885 OPS, you're a bad mothertrucker at the plate...

and w/o question, Williams was one of the cockiest to ever play the game AND back it up ... I'd compare him to Cobb in that category, but Cobb was just a mean/dirty SOB ... kinda the way I played it ...

I have two of Williams '57 cards grade 8 (thank you, pops) ... you should see his baseball card collection ... in today's $$$, it's worth at least a quarter mil ... where he fk'd up was hating the Yankees ... not one Mantle card (sigh) ... he has Yogi, Maris, Ford, Rizzuto, Howard and a few others from that era...

(07-27-2023 08:45 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(07-27-2023 08:14 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(07-27-2023 07:12 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(07-27-2023 06:58 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(07-27-2023 06:44 PM)JRsec Wrote:  Man, I grew up on MLB, but quit watching after juiced players and juiced balls in the 90's. I stick to watching college ball now. It's fun to watch the kids having fun.

My heroes as a kid were the usual Mays, Mantle, Aaron, Marris, Ted Williams, and my ultimate was Brooks Robinson. Loved to watch that guy play third. I met Aaron at a hospital in Atlanta. We both waited on news together in the waiting room. No autographs, just discussion about his wife Billye and the single mom who had breast cancer that I drove up there. Unlike with many, he was still a hero of mine when I left. Solid man!

yeah, man ... you were reared during the best times of baseball ... however, where's Stan the Man in that list ...

pops used to go to the ol' Sportsman's Park every game during the summer months ... his father had season tickets 20 rows up dead behind the plate for 60 years ... pops is also an SLU EE and worked on the engineering crew (straight out of college when I was born) that designed the electrical plans for what is now know as Old Busch Stadium...

I don't miss StL a single bit anymore ... but the years from '65 to '74 were the best times of my life ... and w/o question, I still love muh Cards and Blues (took 50 years to win their only Stanley Cup)

Stan the Man likely like Gehrig before him just showed up and did the job in a workman like fashion and was understated. Yaz was okay, I just didn't like the Red Sox. Ted Williams once told an umpire that the mound was an inch and a quarter too high. The ump humored him, had it measured and it was exactly an inch and a quarter too high. In Korea where Ted flew Sabres he took a hit and was advised to bail out. He examined his cockpit, realized it would damage his kneecaps to punch out, and brought her for a belly landing and walked away. He was not as chummy as the public would like, but he was his own man. Kudos Splendid Splinter. I'm guessing you were close to the right age for Matty, Manny, and Felipe Alou? I know you are a Cardinals fan.

the Alou family ... yeah, I remember the family ...

Moises was the stud (Filepe's son) ... he should be in the Hall when you have a career BA > .300 and an .885 OPS, you're a bad mothertrucker at the plate...

and w/o question, Williams was one of the cockiest to ever play the game AND back it up ... I'd compare him to Cobb in that category, but Cobb was just a mean/dirty SOB ... kinda the way I played it ...

I have two of Williams '57 cards grade 8 (thank you, pops) ... you should see his baseball card collection ... in today's $$$, it's worth at least a quarter mil ... where he fk'd up was hating the Yankees ... not one Mantle card (sigh) ... he has Yogi, Maris, Ford, Rizzuto, Howard and a few others from that era...

Freshman year at College my mom tossed all of kid's stuff as she called it. A blowgun my father sent me from the Philippines (I had learned to use it well), my bicycles, my letters from a gorgeous pen pal who still tried to reach me from her college, my baseball caps, and lots of other stuff. Included in that were 12 years of worth of Topps baseball cards including one Mantle rookie card, all tightly packed into 3 shoeboxes.

I just didn't go home for a long time after that one. It wasn't hers to toss. I bought it all with my money or it was given to me. She did the same thing with her mother's possessions when my grandmother was sick. But I digress, however I certainly resonate with the tossing of the Yankee's cards.

Well, she couldn't toss the happy times I had assembling them, trading them, or winning them shooting marbles. I had a great childhood. The detritus of it just met an ignoble fate.

(07-31-2023 01:54 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Pee Wee. Dead.